[imre1]

I few years ago I took amino acids for thyroid support, way too much, and that is when my POIS started.  I probably burned out my thyroid by accident. 

A further indication that POIS is related to thyroid disfunction.

How are your eyes? According to the "program for better vision" glaucoma is also caused by thyroid disfunction.

Anyway there is supposed to be a simple test you can use to determine wether you have a thyroid disfunction. The "Cambridge Institute" seems to have more information about it (http://www.program-for-better-vision.com/).

[imre1]

as you will see they are not strictly identical to those posted here before.

Yes POIS seems to be like the show "heroes". At first the symptoms seem to be somewhat unrelated. But after you read some more up on it, and you know what to look out for, the red line through the story becomes clear.

[interested]

hi folks

interested here again: I am still interested! I have a question - actually a few questions! - for all you men out there, would love honest answers if possible. 

Do you project - subconsciously or consciously - your suffering on your partner after orgasm? Do you have negative feelings towards this person afterwards? Somehow feel that this person is to blame for the suffering? Avoid this person? And if so, how long / to what extent?

I am trying desperately to understand this horrible phenomenon: being a woman, I am sort of on the receiving end of it and am a bit baffled at the moment.

Thanks a lot!

[jo58]

My problem is I just don't know which doctor I should consult...

I guess that is the real problem after all. I think there are no doctors that specialise in our deficiency.

I'll be seeing a sexologist in a few days. I'll keep you updated...

[John21 (OP)]

Interested, I don't recall having negative feelings like this, my reaction was fear not anger. But the distance created when I couldn't discuss the truth about what was happening was definately a wedge.

[interested]

hi John

a wedge that drives people apart?

[B_Jim]

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About two hours after I have an orgasm, I get a stuffy nose and a headache. I then feel like I'm living in a haze for the next week or so. I have problems concentrating and remembering things, and I get real irritable, until in about two weeks I'm back to normal again. The doctor says I have "Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome". Her solution to my problem is for me to abstain from sex.

She says that I shouldn't engage in any form of sexual activity to avoid any form of arousal unless I just want to deal with the "hangover" afterwards. This hangover can be quite debilitating, especially if I need my brain to be halfway reliable.

170/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100509230933AA3tQmS

I feel weak and tired for 2-3 days after ejaculation?
If I have sexual activity without ejaculation I feel fine so it has nothing to do with position or the energy expended in the sex act.

What should I do? I take a general vitamin everyday but it doesn't help.

171/ http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-89433.html

Fariha ... your symptoms are really right... i am really not able to concentrate on my studies and my life is becoming miserable day by day.. absent mindedness is killing me and i am suffering a lot.. can u suggest me something to come out this mess tht i have made out of myself

172/ http://www.girlsaskguys.com/Sexuality-Questions/60702-question-about-being-feverish-after-an-orgasm.html

Question about being feverish after an orgasm
I've been in a serious relationship for a while and we've recently started having sex. The problem is I feel really sick afterwards (not 'disgusting' sick) but I feel like a switch has been turned on somewhere and I suddenly develop a flu immediately after getting an orgasm. I get muscle aches, my joints ache and I get high fever which won't go away until days afterwards. It doesn't happen every single time I orgasm but it's happened 3 times already and it has me worried. I enjoy sex but sometimes knowing that I'd possibly feel horrible afterwards makes me not want to do it. Does anyone else feel the same way I do after sex?

173/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060909201832AAOR1qb

I get sick when I masturbate.?
Plz only answer if youre going to serious and KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT!!! Every time I masturbate I get gas, aches, diarrhea, somtimes I get hot, headaches and sweaty. I'm 15.

174/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100725230005AALfL3g

Sick feeling after masturbating?
Almost every time I masturbate I feel sick afterwards. I will get a headache and feel really nauseous. I thought maybe I was doing it too fast so I started making it last longer before I came but it didn't help any. It isn't EVERY time, but about 80% of the time it happens. Does this happen to anyone else? or do you know why it would be happening?

175/ http://cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/tired-after-ejaculation-or-sex/105#comment-652

Tired after ejaculation or sex
hi,
i've been masturbating since i was 10 and i'm 23 now so that makes 13 years straight. i started having problems lately, whenever i ejaculate or have sex i will get extremely tired and weak, i mean really really weak - my joints will ache all day and it is like the ejaculating ruins my whole day and even the days after when i will feel also somehow weak. it only betters after a weak of abstinence but when i ejaculate i feel anxious and disharmoniously unhappy so that makes me masturbate even more it's so ugly! i am not a doctor but i consider myself smart enough to understand that there is something wrong with my hormones, perhaps i'm testosterone defficient ? i don't suffer weak erections but i ejaculate very fast.
thank you in advance
   
176/ http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/tired-weak-after-ejaculation.html

I have found your information great, thanks. I have also been getting some benefit from maca powder.
However, I notice that after sex and I ejaculate, I feel really weak and tired.
I lose my sexual power for days, and my genitals get cold.
Also my heart feels weak, and it races.
I am 46 years old.
Are these symptoms of deficient testosterone and elevated estrogen levels?

177/ http://en.allexperts.com/q/Urology-Male-issues-989/post-ejaculatory-symptoms.htm

Joint Pain & Fever After Ejaculation
Thank you for taking the time to read and answer my question.  For the past few years, when I ejaculate (whether through intercourse or masturbation), I have been noticing some pain in my knees and lower back.  I am relatively sure it doesn't happen each time but it happens more than enough for it to be a problem.  The pain isn't enough to prevent me from any activity but it is definitely uncomfortable.  The pain lasts anywhere from 30 minutes to around an hour.
A few weeks back, a light bulb went off in my head and I realized the pain felt similar to the body aches I had when I was sick.  I decided to take my temperature and it was 99.6 degrees.  This appears to be a trend as I have taken my temperature several other times when I'm feeling these aches after ejaculation and it is always in the 99-100 degree range.
Is it normal for someone to experience a fever and the body aches associated with a fever after ejaculation?  I have searched around the Internet and I haven't seen any other postings about these symptoms.  If it is not normal, could it be a possible sign of something more serious?  What do you suggest I do?

178/ http://en.allexperts.com/q/Urology-Male-issues-989/post-ejaculatory-symptoms.htm

post ejaculatory symptoms
am a 52 yr old male. At age 32, I had left epididymitis, which resulted in atrophy of the L testicle. The testicle does not seem to have changed recently.I have been treated for prostatis periodically since that episode.

My current issue involves post- ejaculatory pain & other symptoms. For the past 8 months, I have experienced the following Sx for 5-7 days after ejaculation:
- frequency, dysuria, hesitancy, nocturia
- low grade pain in pelvic area & left testicle.(3-5 on
 a scale of 10)
- low grade nausea
- night sweats, low grade fever
- malaise
- urethral and bladder tenderness to palpation
- at times, the whole pelvis area feels "on fire"

The symptoms seem to resolve after 7-10 days.
I have been through a 30 day course of Levaquin, as well as Flomax. The symptoms resolved by 80% while on the antibiotic, but have since returned. I remain on the Flomax.

This may not be related, but (through a process of elimination) I have found that the symptoms are exacerbated by NSAIDS and aspirin. I have L3-S2 epidural injections for lower back pain q 4-6 months.

CBC is normal, TSH is normal, PSA is low, UA shows a few WBCs, significant RBCs, and epithelial cells. I have been monogamous for 35 years, and RPR/VDRL are neg.

179/ http://www.cafemom.com/group/416/forums/read/12259161/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome?next=1#replies

My husband swears he has this.. or hes allergic to me.. He gets sick every time we have sex. also when he jacks off.. he gets a coongested head and gets very very snotty... and drained of energy... Any one elese? Or am i the only 1 with a weird husband?? If it helps my husband is bipolar
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High concentration of catecholamines is present in sperm :

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1439-0272.2001.00461.x

"In conclusion, noradrenaline and DOPA are present in human semen at concentrations that are much higher than maximal normal values in plasma."

Noradrenaline : 19 times more than concentration in plasma
Dopa : 2 times

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Ever since those days, though, I've suffered from post-orgasmic illness syndrome. It is a living hell. After ejaculating, I feel hot, have hot flashes, feel nearly retarded, have flulike chills and body aches and break out in a terrible rash. Oh, and extreme, extreme fatigue.

Now, even before I ever did a cycle, I experienced symptoms after orgasm, but most of them were mental, like fatigue and foggy head. Some hot flashes. But nothing like this.

I'm not even blaming the roads, but I do notice that my symptoms seem to have gotten worse after doing them.

Bud, that's part of the problem, I've gone to multiple docs and they all act like I'm crazy. They've tested my test levels and they're normal, and simply want to put me on an antidepressant, even though I'm not depressed, only very fatigued after sex. I've recently decided I have to find a solution to this on my own because I get no help elsewhere.


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I enter depersonalization/depression/anxiety for days after ejaculating. What the hell is wrong with me?

Who would I go to see about this specifically? What is this indicative of (maybe low testosterone and my body can't make enough to keep up/replace it? but I don't have a squeaky high voice, I do have body hair, etc. Or perhaps something dealing with the dopamine/serotonin/other chemicals that are released...)? I'm not sure how ejaculating from frequent sex would turn out, as I quite frankly haven't gotten any lately, but this is honestly ruining my life at this point. I don't want to have to live my life like a neutered monk or only ejaculate once every week or two weeks tops (it doesn't seem AS bad at that frequency) to ensure I don't have a meltdown. I can hold off in the meantime, but that seems neither like a happy nor long-term solution with a partner in the future.

I know it's normal to feel a little tired or low after ejaculating, but this is far from that. I literally get horrendous depersonalization, social anxiety, clouded thoughts, incoherent speech that does not feel like my own, lack of motivation, warped judgment, emptiness, you name it -- for DAYS. In short, I totally lose my "self." Is there a such thing as a sex doctor who can treat this kind of crap? Any serious replies are welcome. I'm desperate because I've now realized it's a serious, life-altering problem that fundamentally changes who I am and makes it a hell of a job to function and socialize at even a basic level.

P.S. As far as "talk to a doctor," I actually have no health insurance currently (getting it in October) so I was coming here for starters to see if anyone knew what this specifically sounded like. Also, I'm not religious or anything that would make this merely some sort of severe guilt issue with watching porn. I've additionally tried masturbating (to porn, yes) WITHOUT climaxing, and none of this happens, suggesting it may strictly be an issue with ejaculation and its associated chemicals.

I know the relationship with sex and DP has probably been discussed, but I will love you forever if you have any specific leads, info, or personal experiences with the specific problem I'm talking about. Thank you all in advance.

[demografx]

Demografx : You should ask your doctor more infos for Levitra.

Why? Levitra has cured 50%+ of my POIS !
And it helps libido. But not enough, as testosterone did.

[demografx]

SEXUAL/RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING

I may be going far afield, but since no one has complete answers yet (except for Levitra - for me), I'll try another avenue to POIS.

I was taught for years in parochial school how "sex is dirty" and "sinful".

Does anyone else think it's worth pursuing this possibility? i.e., that early sex teachings can contribute to POIS?

Also, this was coupled with years of corporal punishment. Maybe the combination of physical abuse plus poor sex education?

I'd like to hear from others.

[demografx]

WELCOME to all the newcomers!

[demografx]

My problem is I just don't know which doctor I should consult...

I guess that is the real problem after all. I think there are no doctors that specialise in our deficiency.

It would be great to find ANY doctor who has even HEARD of our symptoms before!! Aside from one European doctor, there is no documentation of POIS.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a very rare malady.

[Bizzy]

Do you project - subconsciously or consciously - your suffering on your partner after orgasm? Do you have negative feelings towards this person afterwards?

I believe there is a condition called post orgasmic anger disorder POAD (termed by me). This is a condition where a man gets very angry after orgasm. He feels he wants to hurt someone and often this anger is directed at the woman he is with. We have all heard of the man who kills his partner after sex. Historically these men have just been seen as bad people but neuro biologist need to look into this phenomena. These men need their own forum but many are probably in denial and dont want to talk about it.

[interested]

hi bizzy

maybe

Do you project - subconsciously or consciously - your suffering on your partner after orgasm? Do you have negative feelings towards this person afterwards?

I believe there is a condition called post orgasmic anger disorder POAD (termed by me). This is a condition where a man gets very angry after orgasm. He feels he wants to hurt someone and often this anger is directed at the woman he is with. We have all heard of the man who kills his partner after sex. Historically these men have just been seen as bad people but neuro biologist need to look into this phenomena. These men need their own forum but many are probably in denial and dont want to talk about it.

hi bizzy

First of all, I would like to say that your posts are extremely interesting. Thanks!

Regarding the above: sorry, maybe I didn't express myself very well. It isn't a type of anger, or a feeling of violence. I don't feel threatened by it. It is more a lack of communication, sort of being ignored, since I am implicated in the suffering. I am told I am not to blame, which I essentially believe, and try to be supportive. Despite this, I find it hard to deal with, being on the receiving end of it. It passes, within a week or two, I am aware of that, but during the "episode" itself, I feel as if I am suffering almost as much as the actual sufferer.

Is there anything at all that can be done apart from waiting for it to pass? How do you men out there deal with your partners during these episodes?

Thanks a lot! I appreciate your honest views.

Interested.

[Bizzy]

Hi Interested

It seems your partner has POIS symptoms as described by others on this forum. Women tend to feel comfortable with attention so it is understandable why you feel like a victim.
I think this is a condition that somewhat responds to antidepressants. There are many different antidepressants on the market with many different side-effects. I recommend a tricyclic antidepressant called nortriptyline prescribed by your healthcare professional.

[neilep]

Hi all,

wonderful to see this thread so buoyant. I do hope that discusssion here somewhat leads to a resolution for you.

It's worth mentioning of course that any recommendation for a drug of any sorts requires discussion with your Doctor, whom I imagine would be the one to prescribe it anyway.

[antman]

Hi everybody I'm just touching base to see if anything new has developed, I feel relatively lucky reading some of your stories, I noticed a thread relating to food earlier, and just wanted to mention that if I binge on carbohydrates in the 48 hours after sex, then this tends to increase the fatigue, however, I'm unsure if this is just the digestive process.  Whilst I'm still suffering with some of my symptoms my lifestyle has changed radically in the last 2 years, depression and anxiety is radically reduced, I've put this down to removing my self from stressful environments, trying not to mix with other depressives and removing my self from the doom and gloom of the media, however the fatigue still persists, but I now drink lots of coffee, which kick starts me in the afternoon. I find that if frequency is more than once every 5 days other symptoms seem to kick in. I suffered very badly with this illness through out my teens and twenty's, due to, I think a libido that required sex a lot more than once a week but as I've gotten older this has reduced and its symptoms have become more subtle, although my joints still crack the 48 hours after sex and the fatigue slows me down. Hope this helps the cause. Best wishes to you all antman.

[nobody007]

Looks like not only me having this kinda of problems.  For me, after ejaculation which occurs while sleeping: my eyes are tired, the body feels weak, afraid of cold, cold feet, sore back and spinal cord, diarrhea, gets hungry fast, can't concentrate, white tongue,  don't feel like moving around or get bothered and it goes on for 1 to 2 weeks. Even I take Multi-vitamins,still no help. It's been so many years and I start to hating this thing. I went to see so many doctors and they said, don't worry its normal and you will be fine, but mean while I feel like ....  Its stopping me from getting a g/f, go out talk to people, rejecting others and social. I tired to a void everything and not to think about it, but still some how it always comes back. mt life is screwed. Is there any solutions for this?

[John21 (OP)]

Hi Nobody007, I know where you are at my friend and it sucks. All I can suggest is keep your mind clean of sexual imagry and try to stay chaste. You could try abstaining from milk products, I believe that it helps me although I don't know why. I hope you get some more ideas here, but as you can tell it is a unusual condition.

[demografx]

TO NOBODY007

I empathize with you greatly, it is a dastardly malady! Re-read all the posts here and you might find something to talk to your doctor about trying.

There is no uniform solution yet. This Forum is probably the most advanced "solution" but has no specific treatment. I feel fortunate though, that there is at least a place to go and be part of a vanguard for POIS.

Best wishes to you going forward. I "stumbled" on Levitra for myself. It cures 50% of my POIS sysmptoms but this treatment should be tested carefully with a doctor. Someone on the internet pointed out that Levitra may be harmful to the heart if you don't actually need it for what it's primarily prescribed for: ED (erectile dysfunction).

If I were not actively involved in this Forum, I might not have paid close attention to the difference in my POIS symptoms upon taking Levitra.

So perhaps much more relief will be found by you and others simply by reading posts here and becoming more acutely aware of what can help or eliminate YOUR POIS symptoms!

[nobody007]

Another thing I have notice is that after ejaculation and few hours later my testicles sweats and cold. My mouth dries so fast and the heat keeps coming up. then, the next day, feeling cold and hot. so weird.  By the way, If I don't ejaculate everything, then i will be fine. So, I guess I the recovery time is too slow ? In addition, all my body joints are making sounds, its like theirs no fluid. Is there a way to increase the recovery time? it seems maybe there's not enough sperm or whatever that thing is in the testicles. I'm just so freaking depressed right now.