[jo58]

Hallo

Just a quick questionaire to my fellow sufferers. If you can answer to the below symptoms please do so, I would like to narrow down the symptoms to possible diseases that I have read up about:


1)  lipodystrophy (fatty deposits like acne on face, back of neck, on collarbone area, between legs

2)   an asthma like breathless feeling after an orgasm

3)   inflammation

4)   blocked nose

5)   itchy skin, especially hands

6)   turn very red colour on chest after orgasm

7)   proximal muscle weakness (hips, shoulders)

   no urge for orgasm for the next hour, unless taken a stimulant

Please reply "yes" or "now" to the above symptoms to narrow down the disease.

Thanks

I posted my list of symptoms a few weeks ago, but they included none of the above, except #2. I also have #8 of course but in my opinion that is just the normal refractory period.

Referring to your previous posts, how do you actually take L-Tyrosine? I mean brand name and such...

Anyway I will soon be testing your DHEA treatment - I'll be having some from someone returning from the US. I'll keep all of you informed.

[John21 (OP)]

Careful with DHEA, there are many warnings about taking it, especially for younger people. I remember reading an account of one bad experience. That said, I would like to cautiously try it myself in a small dose, perhaps 5 mg initially. I am close to 40 years old.

[John21 (OP)]

Day 0

I would like to mention something else that I experience post sexually. Immediately after I have always experienced a weakness in the knees. I remember this as being quite common throughout my life. I never thought to mention it as it isn't a bad experience, but I am curious about it. Does anyone else with POIS experience this, or is this a common occurrence for all people? I have heard the expression "weak in the knees" but my understanding is that it is a figure of speech for an emotional state, not a physical state.

[Bizzy]

Hi Demografx

Your life experience has been very much like mine. I too have struggled with depression eventually cycling through almost all the antidepressants. I too suffered early life childhood trauma which might have something to do with all this.
I think your psychiatrist is right about the cymbalta. It is probably playing a key-role in your recovery. I know that the nortriptyline is playing a key-role in my somewhat recovery. When I wasnt taking the medicine I was mentally very ill.
My experience with prozac in 1995 was the same as yours. It did something for me for about a week and then the side-effects got me. I couldnt continue the medicine.
I think the adderall is probably giving you an antidepressant effect using a mechanism with which you have to be careful.

Have you ever taken a low-dose tricylic antidepressant ?

[demografx]

Hello!  I am a 25 year old male who has diarrhea and gas 5-10 minutes after orgasm (induced by intercourse or masturbation).  I also have a problem orgasming on "round two" if it's been less than an hour after my last orgasm (I would chalk this up to the basic male refractory period, however).  I've been all over the net and have found this thread.  I'd start to seek out a doctor for POIS right away, but I'm not sure if I have the same thing.  All of you describe these symptoms lasting for a few days, while mine happens right after and usually goes away a few hours later.  Does this sound like the same thing to you?

Hi wikkid, this sometimes happens to me, and goes away like yours, but it's followed by full blown POIS symptoms as described here - - - for DAYS.

[demografx]

Hi Demografx

Your life experience has been very much like mine. I too have struggled with depression eventually cycling through almost all the antidepressants. I too suffered early life childhood trauma which might have something to do with all this.
I think your psychiatrist is right about the cymbalta. It is probably playing a key-role in your recovery. I know that the nortriptyline is playing a key-role in my somewhat recovery. When I wasnt taking the medicine I was mentally very ill.
My experience with prozac in 1995 was the same as yours. It did something for me for about a week and then the side-effects got me. I couldnt continue the medicine.
I think the adderall is probably giving you an antidepressant effect using a mechanism with which you have to be careful.

Have you ever taken a low-dose tricylic antidepressant ?

Hi Bizzy,

Thanks for sharing your sensitive info with me. Never took a low dose tricyclic (I assume that's stuff like Tofranil, which worked for my dad back in the stone age of psychiatric meds).

You seem determined to warn/deter me from the Adderall. But I know you mean well. What can I say, it feels like my "savior". And once again, maybe with my depression and ADD (the latter is what it has been prescribed for) perhaps I need not worry about adverse effects? Also, the dose seems reasonable, I was only slightly euphoric (and fell asleep!) the first night I took it. I'll ask my new shrink this week.

[demografx]

Hi All,

It's wonderful to see you all posting here and I hope this forum serves to assist you......even if it's just as a sounding board !

Demografx has asked me to just point out something he has seen regarding Levitra.Unfortunately he can't post at the moment.

 It's a post he read elsewhere on the net and although the nature of the post can not be substantiated he felt it prudent to let you all know that it's possible that Levitra can cause strokes in people who do not need to take it.

I think the moot point here is to always ask the chemist/pharmacist or get advice from a medical practitioner before starting a treatment.

Hi, everybody. I'm a bit concerned about people here at the POIS Forum possibly taking medicine into their own hands.

Such as DHEA. Or Levitra. And others.

So I think it worthwhile to post Neil's caveat once again, because it is worth repeating.

POIS can be a desperate condition. But let's not make it worse by going off the deep end and "borrowing" someone else's solution (including mine!) that may or may not be appropriate for your particular chemistry.

Best wishes, everyone!

[Bizzy]

Thanks for sharing your sensitive info with me. Never took a low dose tricyclic (I assume that's stuff like Tofranil, which worked for my dad back in the stone age of psychiatric meds).
You seem determined to warn/deter me from the Adderall. But I know you mean well. What can I say, it feels like my "savior". And once again, maybe with my depression and ADD (the latter is what it has been prescribed for) perhaps I need not worry about adverse effects? Also, the dose seems reasonable, I was only slightly euphoric (and fell asleep!) the first night I took it. I'll ask my new shrink this week.

I am not trying to deter you from adderall at all. I think it is doing you good for the time being, just as you have explained. I was just stating that its a medicine that requires consideration. My advice would be not to stop it but use the minimum dose required.
Imipramine (tofranil) is not a stoneage medicine, though imipramine would not be my tricyclic of choice.
I think doctors and patients have been tricked by the pharmaceutical industry into thinking that the newer SSRI and SNRI class of antidepressants are an advancement in depression drug therapy.
I think cymbalta and venlafaxine might be slightly better than the SSRI's but not as good as low-dose tricyclic therapy.

[moresex]

Hello, I'm new in this forum and I'm very interested in this topic.
I wish to know if a supplementary integration of L-Tyrosine in the morning and of DHEA after sex can effectively reduce the post orgasimic refractory period.What are the recommended doses ?thanks

[demografx]

I am not trying to deter you from adderall at all. I think it is doing you good for the time being, just as you have explained. I was just stating that its a medicine that requires consideration. My advice would be not to stop it but use the minimum dose required.
Imipramine (tofranil) is not a stoneage medicine, though imipramine would not be my tricyclic of choice.
I think doctors and patients have been tricked by the pharmaceutical industry into thinking that the newer SSRI and SNRI class of antidepressants are an advancement in depression drug therapy.
I think cymbalta and venlafaxine might be slightly better than the SSRI's but not as good as low-dose tricyclic therapy.

I said "warn/deter" and you were really more on the warning (CAUTION) side, which is good. I may have misinterpreted the caveats for something stronger, too.

I agree completely with you about "advancements," sometimes the "old" tricyclics work better than SSRI's. I shouldn't have said "stone age," what I meant is that drugs like Tofranil go way back in time when SSRI's weren't even on the drawing board.

[bossflambe]

Hi all, I want to thank everyone for telling of their experiences. It was very reassuring to find information about this.
I am a female. My boyfriend is a man I love dearly and he has some of these symptoms...it apparently is more like extreme sadness for him and other mental symptoms which lasts for days. He has been having a lot of the flu symptoms and we have assumed he keeps getting bugs but I am wondering if its related to the possible pois. Also I am wondering if there are several versions of this problem depending on an individuals brain chemistry.

 He said he has had this problem ever since he could remember but it has gotten worse over the years.  we are in our 40's. There are some physical symptoms as well. We are investigating ways to manage the condition.
 
If a male goes without orgasm for more than several weeks at a time on a regular basis isn't there a concern about prostate health.  There is a technique that proctologists use called prostate massage or milking which is supposed to produce an event sort of like an orgasm but more of a calm draining of the prostate. We are still learning about it. Has anyone heard of this or had experience with it? I guess its something that can be done by oneself as well.

Also are there some safer herbs or supplements that are known to affect this in a positive way? he is currently on wellbutrin and prozac. thanks in advance for any feedback.   

[Living30]

There is so much useful information being discussed here. I suffer from the same symptoms and these symptoms have seriously marred my personal and professional life for the past 20 years. Thanks to this forum, I'm now beginning to do something about it.

Would it be profitable for visitors to this topic to have a frequently asked questions (FAQ) document? I was thinking it would be helpful to crystallize all this useful information discussed on this board into an easy to use reference document. How do you guys feel about this? Would anyone be interested to help put this together?

[demografx]

There is so much useful information being discussed here. I suffer from the same symptoms and these symptoms have seriously marred my personal and professional life for the past 20 years. Thanks to this forum, I'm now beginning to do something about it.

Would it be profitable for visitors to this topic to have a frequently asked questions (FAQ) document? I was thinking it would be helpful to crystallize all this useful information discussed on this board into an easy to use reference document. How do you guys feel about this? Would anyone be interested to help put this together?

EXCELLENT IDEA, Living30 !!

[imre1]

Hello!  I am a 25 year old male who has diarrhea and gas 5-10 minutes after orgasm (induced by intercourse or masturbation).  I also have a problem orgasming on "round two" if it's been less than an hour after my last orgasm (I would chalk this up to the basic male refractory period, however).  I've been all over the net and have found this thread.  I'd start to seek out a doctor for POIS right away, but I'm not sure if I have the same thing.  All of you describe these symptoms lasting for a few days, while mine happens right after and usually goes away a few hours later.  Does this sound like the same thing to you?

What you are describing most certainly is not POIS. It is most likely very normal and I would advise you to see a urologist.

[imre1]

There is so much useful information being discussed here. I suffer from the same symptoms and these symptoms have seriously marred my personal and professional life for the past 20 years. Thanks to this forum, I'm now beginning to do something about it.

Would it be profitable for visitors to this topic to have a frequently asked questions (FAQ) document? I was thinking it would be helpful to crystallize all this useful information discussed on this board into an easy to use reference document. How do you guys feel about this? Would anyone be interested to help put this together?

EXCELLENT IDEA, Living30 !!

1. What is POIS?

POIS is a post orgasmic state of overall ill feeling. POIS take days to recover from. The second day however is always the heaviest.

The most charactistic symptom is the inability to think (brain fog). This may be described as fatigue, or feeling tired. Important to notice is that feeling tired and being tired are two different things. Some people during POIS feel tired and still have insomnia.

Secondary symptoms may include a tension type headache, difficulty concentrating, sometimes to the point of getting out of body experiences. Some people report feeling extremely hot or cold. Most often with transpiration. Also problems around the eyes have been reported.

[demografx]

1. What is POIS?

POIS is a post orgasmic state of overall ill feeling. POIS take days to recover from. The second day however is always the heaviest.

The most charactistic symptom is the inability to think (brain fog). This may be described as fatigue, or feeling tired. Important to notice is that feeling tired and being tired are two different things. Some people during POIS feel tired and still have insomnia.

Secondary symptoms may include a tension type headache, difficulty concentrating, sometimes to the point of getting out of body experiences. Some people report feeling extremely hot or cold. Most often with transpiration. Also problems around the eyes have been reported.

imre1, THANK YOU FOR INITIATING!!!! []

[demografx]

(A) For the answer to 1. What is POIS?

I would suggest adding to the very first POIS in the answer: [ POIS (Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome] is a post orgasmic state...)

(B) In the 3rd paragraph, I would suggest to change "getting" to "having" (an out of body experience)

[Bizzy]

Hi all, I want to thank everyone for telling of their experiences. It was very reassuring to find information about this.
I am a female. My boyfriend is a man I love dearly and he has some of these symptoms...it apparently is more like extreme sadness for him and other mental symptoms which lasts for days. He has been having a lot of the flu symptoms and we have assumed he keeps getting bugs but I am wondering if its related to the possible pois. Also I am wondering if there are several versions of this problem depending on an individuals brain chemistry.

 He said he has had this problem ever since he could remember but it has gotten worse over the years.  we are in our 40's. There are some physical symptoms as well. We are investigating ways to manage the condition.
 
If a male goes without orgasm for more than several weeks at a time on a regular basis isn't there a concern about prostate health.  There is a technique that proctologists use called prostate massage or milking which is supposed to produce an event sort of like an orgasm but more of a calm draining of the prostate. We are still learning about it. Has anyone heard of this or had experience with it? I guess its something that can be done by oneself as well.

Also are there some safer herbs or supplements that are known to affect this in a positive way? he is currently on wellbutrin and prozac. thanks in advance for any feedback.   

Hi Bossflambe

I think it is highly likely that his persistant flu symptoms are part of a POIS. I have learned from experience that POIS weakens and redirects the immune system.
There are slight variations of the POIS we are defining here but on the whole its very distinct. In other words the symptoms are very similar. I believe its an immune system and mood regulating protein thats causing the problem.
I dont know if there is a prostate risk if one avoids an orgasm. But what I do know is that many people world-wide do not orgasm for very long periods without any problems.
There are many herbs and supplements that can help improve the mood. Helping the mood is an important step forward. I dont think any of these herbs will make POIS go away.
Bupropion and Fluoxetine is a potent and potentially hazardous mix. I wonder how he is doing on that combination ?

[demografx]

imre1

FAQ: perhaps we should state that POIS has only been observed in men so far?

[hk1979]

Hallo it is me again, the guy with the DHEA formula. Fist of all, I am completely against strong pills that interfere with body processes and are completely for health supplements.

Prescription pills like Prozac, Ritalin has helped me in the past, but it just messed up other systems in my body.

I am not a doctor, so I cannot give you the details of the dosages that you should use, but I will let you in on ecactly what I did in order to recover from this bloody problem after orgasms.

First of all, I was smoking cigarettes. I stopped last year August. That was done. Then I stopped drinking coffee at work, as our coffee at work is quite strong, and it messed up my sleep cycle. I basically did a detox of two weeks, to get rid of pathogens in the body like worms and stuff. You stop eating protein rich things for 2 weeks, and drink 1000mg MSM Methylsulfonylmethane each day. I drank a lot of water, and drank tea instead of coffee. It was a very bad 2 weeks, but not as bad as the decades of POIS!

Then the DHEA treatment started. The docter prescribed 90 25mg pills of DHEA to me. 2 pills (50mg) each morning I wake up with 1000mg L-Tyrosine on an empty stomach. I also take one pill of DHEA directly after sex, and only if it is 6 hours after the first dosage of the day (It has something to do with the hormonal cycles). Meaning if you wake up in the morning, and you take your DHEA dose, if you have sex after that, don't take DHEA immediately again.

It is South African branded I don't know if you get it in your country:
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=5161 [nofollow]
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=74 [nofollow]
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=119 [nofollow]

After one month I switched to a safer DHEA supplement:
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=6 [nofollow]

I also added two more health supplements in the morning to the tyrisone and herbal DHEA 7-Keto to further help me get rid of POIS:

-Siberian Ginseng (not called like this in the USA anymore)
-Phosphatidylserine (PS)
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=93 [nofollow]

The whole trick of getting rid of POIS, is to decrease the constant release of Cortisol (Stress Hormone) and increase the release of DHEA (Sex Hormone). And then to take herbal supplements to maintain the correct balance. It takes time and patience, and although there are drugs out there like Ephedrine and Stimulants that immediately reduces cortisol, it is not the solution only part of a bigger problem being that you have a big hormonal imbalance problem.

Good luck and I hope I can make a change in your lives.