[sokovan]

i wonder if there is an after ejaculation illness in animalls , may be a veterinarian can tell us.
 also we can propose that every male has this phenomena, the "minor P.O.I.S" in normal people, and the "major P.O.I.S" as in our's
 i am sure there are thousands of people who have this illness in its major form. also there may be something in the literature of the ancient people, this is a long history, may be someone have mentioned it.
years ago i have tried chamomile flowers in boiling water, beleive me that the dark halos around my eyes which is the major annoying sysmptoms in my case have disappeared completely, but i can't reproduce that effect again.
also the tona fish have some small effect, you can try.
  this P.O.I.S has the same situation as in the U.F.O phenomena (Unidentified Flying Objects), most if not ALL doctors believes it is a hoax, but sadly the only people who believe in its reality are who suffer too much from it.

[Guthrie]

Well, in terms of animals, there is a famous phrase whose origin is disputed, but which may trace back to antiquity: “Post coitum omne animal triste est,” “Every animal is sad after sex.”  There is also another version, attributed to the ancient Greek physician Galen: “Triste est omne animal post coitum, praeter mulierem gallumque,” “Every animal is sad after sex, except for women and roosters.”

There are also a number of websites that mention past historical awareness of symptoms similar to POIS.  Their approach often come from Eastern religious traditions.   I don't necessarily agree with the their explanations for the causes of the symptoms, but I think they are useful in showing that it is not a new problem.

Here is one site that collects a number of articles on the idea that post-orgasm symptoms are prevalent among many people, but perhaps in more subtle forms: http://www.reuniting.info/introduction

Also, in terms of  recent Western figures,this website mentions Charlie Chaplin, Honore de Balzac, and Miles Davis as apparently suffering from some form of POIS-like symptoms:
http://www.hps-online.com/tsy1.htm

[fiddlerpaul]

There are also a number of websites that mention past historical awareness of symptoms similar to POIS.  Their approach often come from Eastern religious traditions.   I don't necessarily agree with the their explanations for the causes of the symptoms, but I think they are useful in showing that it is not a new problem.

Here is one site that collects a number of articles on the idea that post-orgasm symptoms are prevalent among many people, but perhaps in more subtle forms: http://www.reuniting.info/introduction [nofollow]

Guthrie,

thanks for this link.   I had no idea that there was a whole body of understanding that connected my post coital feelings with general disharmony and poor mental/physical health.  It makes a lot of sense.
I remember so much how an early passion based relationship I had kept leading me into these states where I wanted to push her away and I didn't understand why I felt that way and experienced much guilt for it.  That was in the early days of my POIS symptoms.  Now many years later with my wife I see the same tendency to push each other away after orgasm.  Thankfully my marriage was initiated by a much deeper spiritual connection and not lustful passion so we have survived these many years without having too many of these problems.

I think there really is a sliding scale on how much orgasm affects us all.  From reading others' posts, I can see some have it much worse than me and I know I have it much worse than the average guy.

From reading on that website, they say the solution is to get off the biological roller coaster of highs and lows connected to the orgasm process.  I have struggled with that for years.  There's the 2-3 week build up of sexual energy and suddenly it rears its head and my body starts screaming for it again.  I see there's a book on this site about how to get beyond that...wonder if I should get it.  I feel pretty hopeless in avoiding orgasm and heck, I don't even have the sex drive I had ten years ago.  Heck I tried installing adult content filters on my computer that my wife had the password to and that really didn't keep me from feeling 'the need'.
Seems the key is to get off the dopamine addictive track and into something called the oxytocin track which is a different chemical process in the body. In physical terms its moving from a genital centred sexuality to a heart centred one.
How to do that?
I have a book credit at a store that says they have the book here, so I probably will get it.

[Guthrie]

Well, like I said, I'm not sure how scientific/substantiated their explanation is.  That website seems to think the negative feelings are a natural effect of orgasm, whereas it could also be linked to digestive issues or hormone imbalances, as has been suggested on this thread.  Basically, they didn't seem to see the negative symptoms as something abnormal to be cured, but instead saw them as a reason for people to avoid orgasm in general.  Hopefully, though, we can find some kind of treatment/cure!

[John21 (OP)]

I am doubtful that POIS is of intestinal oregin, but I applaud your speculation and experimentation. My POIS state does sometimes engage my elimination system, but it definitely seems like just another reaction to another root cause.

Relora sounds interesting, assuming it's claims are valid and not mere wonder supplement BS.

[fiddlerpaul]

John,

News of a new stress reliever was too good to pass up.  I just went and bought some Relora and popped one....
I'm not too good a guinea pig for everyone though because I tend to overreact and get weird effects from many anti anxiety herbal supplements.  The two that I do still take work fairly well..holy basil by New Chapters, which is good but does make me a little drowsy so its not great during the day, and L-theanine by Natural Factors, which works all the time, but is pretty mild.
I've tried just about every other one, I think, but this Relora is new to me and it has two ingredients I'd never tried before, Magnolia officinalis and Phellodenron amurense.

This is timely, as well, as I had an orgasm yesterday and have been feeling somewhat off since.  Here's hoping...

[hk1979]

I think I made a mini breakthrough. I was speaking to a pharmacist about Relora and its effects, and what he told me linked up with our discussions about POIS. Relora basically helps for mental and physical stress, normalising cortisol and hormone levels. He mentioned also it helps for a healthy HPA axis. Well I didn't know what that was, so I went to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal_axis [nofollow]

In summary i want to quote this part from the link above:

"The fine, homeostatic interactions between these three organs constitute the HPA axis, a major part of the neuroendocrine system that controls reactions to stress and regulates various body processes including digestion, the immune system, mood and sexuality, and energy usage"

Therefor I can only simply ask... is POIS not directly link to a damaged HPA axis? Your thoughts please.

[hk1979]

@fiddlerpaul

I read that you should take Relora 3 times a day, and it being a patented herbal supplement, it should not work straight away like a chemical such as Levitra. I suggest continue taking it for about 2 weeks (loyally) and then monitor your POIS again.

I haven't bought Relora yet for myself, but I consider stopping the DHEA after 2 months usage, and just taking Relora and L-Tyrosine in future.

[John21 (OP)]

Infrequently while in the POIS state I have had a pain in my gut, like a pinching in the general area of the appendix. I was so concerned at the time I looked into paying to get an MRI, but I discovered that the test isn't good for diagnostic purposes. So I saw my doctor and she allowed me to be booked for a test, it might have been ultrasonic. When the time came for the test I hadn't had any similar episode in a long while, so I cancelled it. As well as the pain I also was concerned that my stools seem narrow (all the time). I have come to accept this as merely being my physiology. Every morinig when I go to the washroom I usually have to go twice, about 10-15 min apart, sometimes even 3 times. I eat a somewhat high fiber low saturated fat diet, perhaps this plays into it.

Solution, what effect did you find rye bread had on your POIS?

[solution]

The rye bread makes me very well go to the bathroom. When the next day as well I feces large. And I realized that the symptoms disappear, there is a great relaxation.
After a time (5 months) I had to stop eating because occurred sinusitis.
Apparently a fungus that regularizes the intestine but has a very powerful effect that can be harmful to me.
It would be interesting to see what effect upon you, to discover the properties of rye in healing POIS

[fiddlerpaul]

Thanks for the advice hk

I'm noticing the effects of the Relora right away. It hits me about a half hour after taking.
This morning second day after, I am feeling much better.  I am on my 3rd day of DHEA as well and 5th of L-tyrosine, so I have a lot of things in the mix.  I also decided to take theanine with the Relora and I think that is a good choice. 
I'm sensing that the Relora is relaxing (cortisol lowering) and that I am feeling the vitality coming from the DHEA more and more, though I'm not positive on this yet.

Much more time before I can say for sure, but I'm encouraged by the combination of these. 

[hk1979]

@fiddlerpaul

It seems that you and I have the a similar POIS type. You will find that horrible feeling after an orgasm almost completely disappears when you take 50mg of DHEA after the orgasm and wait 30 min.

I am also a bit scared of taking these hormone supplements, but hopefully my body will repair soon and I hope never to take DHEA supplements again. I am only still 29 years old. What gives me hope that I can recover, is the fact that I stopped smoking, drinking coffee, taking designer drugs here and there, and only drink/eat sugars when I take in a lot of protein, as protein also need energy / carbohydrates to be taken up in the digestive system. I drink a lot of water, is cautious about drinking my weekend glass of wine/beer/whiskey. I used to overdo everything : sex, eating, partying, masturbating. And now I am just cautious and rebuilding my system.

I am glad if that I could help make some people feel better and have some hope that what is broken can always be fixed.

[demografx]

REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

[demografx]

DHEA DANGERS

I would suggest that before embarking on a DHEA regimen, you consult a physician and/or Google "DHEA dangers"

[fiddlerpaul]

REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

Whoa, that's a heavy thought.
As I mentioned in my first post, I did enter a very different spiritual state for 3 months once where I experienced myself as a pure unentangled consciousness.  It allowed me for that time to be really free inside from most unhealthy fear that had previously been a normal part of my life. 
In THAT state when I had an orgasm, I actually felt great by doing it, no letdown or physical issues but really better than before.  It was amazing. Of course, my feeling during the sexual experience was more positively oriented as well.  I was more plugged into the joy of 'being'. That showed me that there is something in my spiritual/psychological makeup that contributes to the sex release being kind of like blowing up my solar plexus chakra area instead of being a great experience from beginning to end.  From this, I just have to believe that in some, if not all cases, it's an energetic kind of thing, kind of like trying to run a strong current through a weak wiring system.
I have continued in a number of ways to pursue higher knowing/being in my life but have never come back to that place where I could say POIS was no longer a problem.  I have nothing really to offer anyone to achieve that state either, having come upon it and fallen back again without any conscious knowing of how or why.  But that experience did inform my perspective greatly.

[Bizzy]

REACTION TO PLEASURE?

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

I sometimes wonder if the pleasure of orgasm leading to guilt because of early conditioning can somehow "train" the body to create POIS?

I have thought about this too. I think its a possibility. I too was under the impression as a child that masturbation was bad. I wonder how one would go about testing the hypothesis that this could create POIS ?
I am pretty certain that there are people who suffer from POIS who were not exposed to early adverse sentiments though.

[John21 (OP)]

Many societies and religions teach a twisted warning about pleasure, so that pleasure can result in intense guilt. I was brought up in such a belief system through parochial schooling, with heavy doses of corporal punishment to enforce that notion.

Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?

[John21 (OP)]

I tried a 500mg Tyrosine last week after another NE, and I didn't have any POIS symptoms but I don't know if it was due to the Tyrosine for sure.  I definitely felt the effects of the Tyrosine, it made me feel rather rather mentally off (different than the horrible POIS)... perhaps I am unusually sensitive to it. I tried one 250mg Relora today, and it didn't seem to affect me at all. I will be curious it try 3 a day in the POIS state. If it helps me by increasing DHEA I would rather take it than a DHEA supplement.

[Bizzy]

I first tried DHEA and pregnenolone for POIS and depression about 5 years ago. I found that they both helped reduce symptoms but caused chest pains. So I stopped their use. I think both of these supplements are cardiotoxic.

[demografx]

From John21:
"Demografx,
I am curious, what was the belief system you were brought up in? Also, what punishment was inflicted and what was the stated reason for it?"

John, the Roman Catholic school system in the 1950s, paddling rear ends or (less often) hands with a large shilally (large bat) for just about any "mistake" - it is very well known how the RC teachings - especially back then - try to instill fear of the "evil" of sex, that "sex is dirty."

It was difficult for me to post about this, but I feel that it needs to be explored. So I was glad to see the responses.
Thank you.