[girlwind]

Going without orgasm is like going without ice cream. The momentary pleasure is not worth the days of
recuperation that follow. Besides, sex without orgasm can be very enjoyable, once you learn how to ride
the pleasure wave.  It's the "accidental orgasms" in my sleep that I have no control over. But lately, my
symptoms from those haven't been as bad. I'm getting between 50-75% relief from all my adrenal and
thyroid boosting supplements, and only taking one day to recover. Also, having low libido and only one
or two "accidentals" per month helps.

[neilep]

WELL DONE DEMOGRAFX !!

This man is an incredible amabassdaor not just of the site but of the POIS cause and is most certainly the foundation of this forum !!

[demografx]

NEIL,

Flattery will get you everywhere!

Thanks a bunch!

 []

[demografx]

I'm getting between 50-75% relief from all my adrenal and thyroid boosting supplements, and only taking one day to recover.

girlwind, this is wonderful news. If it's not too personal, can you say on how many occasions you've experienced this relief?

[girlwind]

I'm getting between 50-75% relief from all my adrenal and thyroid boosting supplements, and only taking one day to recover.

girlwind, this is wonderful news. If it's not too personal, can you say on how many occasions you've experienced this relief?

Actually the last three times. And I'm just beginning to get on top of the thyroid problem.

[demografx]

I'm getting between 50-75% [POIS] relief from all my adrenal and thyroid boosting supplements, and only taking one day to recover.

girlwind, this is wonderful news. If it's not too personal, can you say on how many occasions you've experienced this relief?

Actually the last three times. And I'm just beginning to get on top of the thyroid problem.

Congratulations, girlwind, this sounds like a breakthrough! And unlikely that it's a placebo effect 3X! Or are you still cautiously optimistic? []

[girlwind]

Congratulations, girlwind, this sounds like a breakthrough! And unlikely that it's a placebo effect 3X! Or are you still cautiously optimistic? []

Of course! It will probably have to be 300X consistently, before I can claim that I have found a definitive
solution.  []

[girlwind]

Congratulations but can you detail more the supplements you take ?
I have not really understand : the supplement you talked is the seaweed ?

Hello B_Jim:  Please see my post on page 47, with the message ID 191121, for the list of supplements that I use
to help my adrenal deficiency. And go to my post on page 55, message ID 195193, for the info on the iodine test and
the thyroid boosting seaweed supplement I recently found. (I have been cutting back on it already, as it is causing some
detox symptoms that I am too busy to deal with right now.)

[demografx]

It will probably have to be 300X consistently, before I can claim that I have found a definitive
solution.  []

Sure, girlwind, but then 301-600 will show the same phenomenal result and you'll start questioning the first 300X! []

[Counterpoints]

Thanks demografx, girlwind, and John, for your responses.  I'll clench my teeth and try to hold out...

Belated thanks also to post-chronic, for his well-articulated response.

John: It is worth thinking about whether you had made any changes in addition to the garlic...  Note that Guthrie and one other also improved with your diet, however.

[martin88]

Just to inform you, a letter was sent today to the tcm clinic in Germany. Thanks a lot to Girlwind who helped me for english and content ! You'll recognize her touch. I hope i'll have a positive answer but i'm not sure.
Dear Person,
I am a participant on an internet forum about science whose objective has been to find answers and treatment for a serious debilitating health condition called post orgasmic illness syndrome (pois). http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.0 
In the year since it began, this particular forum thread has had over 100 people posting on it about their experiences, most of them at their wits end with frustration at the often unsympathetic and unhelpful responses they've received from both medical doctors and alternative health providers.
As I understand, TCM does recognize a condition described as very similar. So my question to you is this: Could it be possible to communicate directly by email with a doctor from your clinic regarding this condition? I could provide you with even more information, if it's needed, and I'm willing to pay for this communication if that is necessary, if you would provide a list of fees with your response.
Thanks a lot for your help. Have a nice day.

[Nick_B_85]

My best success at celibacy has come when I framed orgasm always in my mind as "horrible and hateful" rather than "delightful though obnoxious." It's important to keep busy; to keep the mind from wandering. I can stay celibate when I work about 70% of my waking day, weekends included. If one is sure to go to bed physically exhausted there isn't much energy left for erotic thoughts or sex acts.

I believe that if one thinks of sexual abstinence in terms of a fierce battle of life against death, not of a playful game of temptation and refusal with a guilty pleasure, his mind will not betray him, even in sleep.

There's no way to fully avoid thoughts of sex, but if one doesn't let his mind grasp onto them and run away with them, he won't find himself regretting yet another orgasm.

[martin88]

Counterpoints, are you sometimes very hungry, and can't control what you eat and when ? When i had the same symptoms you have, it was the case. (How old are you if it's permitted to ask ?) I think long session of sport (endurance) will help you. Fibers can help(intestinal transit and remove zinc).  Try not taking too much vitamin E, iodine, salt, protein, b6, zinc, ginseng ...(if you absolutely want to take multivitamins take one for children) . For me an extremely low dose of salt cause insomnia when i'm sexually abstinent, and usually it's harder to control when you don't sleep enough. In a medical book i have, they say salt is antagonistic to bromine (bromine was given to people in their military service to help with sexual urge)
If someone give you one million dollar to stop having orgasms you'll stop right now. It's also will power, and focus on other things as other people said. If this is not enough there is a homeopathic remedy very effective for me and it seems to be safe.

[demografx]

martin88, best wishes with the letter!

[Counterpoints]

Martin88, I am often very hungry, and am somewhat of an impulsive eater.  (I am not at all overweight though).  Thanks for the advice.  Unlike many people here, insomnia is not one of my problems.  POIS does not make it harder for me to sleep.  Prolonged lack of orgasm can make it somewhat more difficult, but that is normal enough.  Thanks again for the suggestions, and good work with your letter.

Nick B, thanks for your response.  However, I don't believe it is healthy to think of orgasm as "horrible and hateful". This certainly would contribute to any negative post-orgasm experiences. 

[martin88]

Thanks Demografx and Counterpoints, you have written a lot more than me here. Counterpoints, i think it can be a good start to eat regularly and healthy, not more than 2 or 3 times a day and at the same hour. This should reduce the desire and make you more focused.

[philfoot]

Hi All

Searching the net because of a problem that has arisen.  Not sure if what I have experienced falls into this section or not.  Therefore please be patient with me, and hopefully someone out there can help with trying to establish what it is and what can be done about it.

The other day sun shining etc. etc. everything was fine until orgasm, then nothing or at least I do not remember a thing, I had an orgasm, I got the tissues and lay back, but not a thing I remember.  After about 5 minutes I was aware that we had done something, but couldn't recall a thing.  Slowly some information came back right up until the orgasm but not after that.

I felt generally bad, I had a headache but not splitting, my brain felt almost light headed, a strange feeling, which I do find difficult to explain.  I feel/felt very tired have a lot of naps, and have slept well after the episode.

It all happened on sunday and as I write this it is now 3 days ago, I still have the light headed feeling, my headache comes and goes.  I have been to my GP who has discounted any form of TIA, which is good, but is sending me for more in-depth tests just in case.

This is the first major event like this, although I do remember a while ago I had a similar event but it was only minor, and I just brushed it aside.  We have had  normal relations since that first time, and nothing until sunday whcih is far more major

I am not asking for a clinical diagnosis, but was wondering if anyone else has expereiced this and can shed any light on it.

Many thanks for your time and attention, and look forward to your response.

Kind regards

Phil

[demografx]

PHILFOOT, wecome to the POIS Forum! Not 100% sure, but it seems like POIS to me, and we have come up with treatments here, in the early stages. Please read through the posts.

I would also recommend that you see the POIS video at:

And if you fill out this form, our researchers can eventually better assist you:
http://pois.olympe-network.com

[Counterpoints]

Phil, I actually don't think this is POIS.  It sounds like post-coital headache.  My first thought was "see a doctor", until I saw that you had.  Perhaps follow up with another doctor to be sure?  Don't panic, but certainly have this investigated.  It is probably harmless, but it's not worth the risk of assuming such.  Did you have your blood pressure taken?  Also, how old are you?

It could also be that you were just overly exposed to light.  I have sometimes gotten terrible headaches after being out for a long time on a particularly sunny day.  They have lasted up to 3 days. 

[demografx]

Haven't we seen headaches before? I agree, it doesn't fit the usual pattern, but even that varies significantly.

I wouldn't rule out POIS so quickly. Besides, we don't have exact consensus here as to POIS definition, except that it's (1) POST orgasmic, and (2) lasts for DAYS.