[imre1]

Today I received an e-mail of an unknown person who wrote me that men are desperate and that one man even removed his testicles.

Has someone been talking behind my back, lol?

Anyway i have been looking at everything, leaving no subject taboo, including this.

I think nobody has actualy done this. Mostly because cyproteron-acetaat has the exact same effect.

[imre1]

elevated prolactin secretion can suppress the secretion of FSH and GnRH, leading to hypogonadism, and sometimes causing erectile dysfunction in men.

Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.

[imre1]

Reading documentation on gender dysphasia seems to indicate that gender behaviour seems to be influenced largely by the amount of female hormones (for men).

Prolactin is a female hormone.

One rough indication of high prolactin and similar hormones might be female behaviour like:
- a large amount of time spent on literature
- a love for light colors, like purple and pink
- a love for romantic music over heavy metal
- a preference for cooking over fixing automobiles
- ...

[tarkington]

 a large amount of time spent on literature
- a love for light colors, like purple and pink
- a love for romantic music over heavy metal
- a preference for cooking over fixing automobiles

well.. i thought those things to be associated with personality (which I guess is actually controlled by hormones and genes).  But I do spend alot of time reading books and I like romantic stuff, and I can't say that I would prefer fixing automobiles.  I do like to fix electronics..lol.  But, seriously, I wonder if I do have elevated prolactin.  Is there any way to test to see if I do?

Also, has any one else tried to see if they have low iodine levels?  I tried the tincture application to my skin.  The brown color went away after about 20 or 22 hours.  Not sure if that is a defintie sign of low iodine levels.   

[imre1]

I like romantic stuff

Well, spending time in second life seems to indicate that the typical hetero male idea of romance is "hi, you are very beautiful, i want to **** you".

[girlwind]

B_Jim and girlwind, forgive me but I'm getting a little lost in some of the depth of discussion.

Can you both summarize - in simple form - what you now take for POIS alone? (e.g., iodine, protein [how do we get protein? health food supplement?] )

Many thanks. I and perhaps others here would really appreciate this simplification! And I'm not disparaging the detail, I just get derailed easily in the discussion.

Hi Demografx--The list of supplements I take for the adrenals is posted on page 47, with the message ID#191121.
I am now taking kelp powder for thyroid--as it has IODINE, which was the the point of all the detail. Iodine (to help my
low thyroid) may be a big part of the puzzle for me--as explained in the many previous postings.

There are other things I take as well to benefit my overall health, to help the CFS, which helps the POIS. Like B_Jim, I eat an all
organic diet of mostly vegetables with lots of protein, and healthy fats (nuts, seeds, olive oil, avocado, coconut oil)--no sugar
or grain or processed food, and minimal fruit.

I don't think there is anything I take "for POIS alone." What helps my overall energy, my endocrine system, my digestive system,
my brain and nervous system helps POIS. Too bad POIS is not simple, otherwise it would be much easier to resolve.

[girlwind]

Also, has any one else tried to see if they have low iodine levels?  I tried the tincture application to my skin.  The brown color went away after about 20 or 22 hours.  Not sure if that is a defintie sign of low iodine levels.  

According to what I've read about this test, the patch of tincture should last at least 24 hours.
So you may be just a little low.  In comparison, mine was gone in 2 1/2 hours!

[demografx]

Demografx : Do you eat a lot of sugar ? Considering your ED, you need to talk this to your doctor and test your SHBG. Remember study i posted p44. Too much sugar is not good for SHBG.

Yes, B_Jim, I have a difficult time with sugar. It's a struggle. So thank you for that.

[demografx]

girlwind, many thanks for the re-cap above. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the POIS malady is not so hopeless as we once thought. There are many things to try that we, as pioneers, have discovered to be effective!

[demografx]

Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.

Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have ED and POIS and Levitra "cures" about 75% of my POIS.

[imre1]

Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.

Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have ED and POIS and Levitra "cures" about 75% of my POIS.

I might have the wrong idea about ED, but it seems to me if you can't have an erection you can't have an orgasm and without orgasm you can't have post-orgasmic symptoms.

[demografx]

I might have the wrong idea about ED, but it seems to me if you can't have an erection you can't have an orgasm and without orgasm you can't have post-orgasmic symptoms.

(1) one can have an orgasm without erection.

(2) Levitra (and other ED drugs) facilitate a full erection (Levitra also cures 75% of my POIS symptoms).

(3) someone else here even reported POIS without orgasm; during the pre-ejaculate (from pre-ejaculatory fluid or Cowper's fluid) period of arousal.

[John21 (OP)]

Here is some interesting info on iodine, he claims the skin test is not valid.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything

[girlwind]

Here is some interesting info on iodine, he claims the skin test is not valid.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything

I'm happy to have done the test. It worked for me, as it led me to explore my thyroid issue, discover that I have hypothyroidism,
and find something (supplementation with kelp) that has worked  for me.  What's not valid for one, is a victory for another.

If you want a more thorough and complicated test, here's one to try.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/loadTest.htm

[tarkington]

ok thanks for the link. 

It has now been 28 hours and I still seen brown/yellow color.  Not sure what to believe.

My plan is as follows:  I am going to try Relora.  If that does not work then I will try the Kelp Powder.

Thanks girlwind

[girlwind]

ok thanks for the link. 

It has now been 28 hours and I still seen brown/yellow color.  Not sure what to believe.

My plan is as follows:  I am going to try Relora.  If that does not work then I will try the Kelp Powder.

Thanks girlwind

Your welcome. It sounds like we are proving Dr. Derry wrong, as my iodine patch was gone very quickly.
(I did it twice to make sure.) And yours lasted a long time. You may not even need the kelp, as I did.

[girlwind]

The whole point is that I'm trying to make people aware of their thyroid, to see if that might be one of
the problems in POIS. Because of that published study which concluded that "13 million Americans have
undiagnosed thyroid disease,"  I just want people to consider this and investigate it, to see if they fit in
to that statistic. Iodine deficiency might be the first clue at finding the thyroid problem, and considering
how cheap and easy it is to do the patch test, I figure why not! What is there to lose?

[Counterpoints]

To anyone:
If you're concerned about thyroid, I suggest getting a blood test. If you consult with your family physician he will order one.  It is one of the first things most general practitioners would test for when being consulted for POIS symptoms.  I would be surprised if a lot of the people posting here haven't already had thyroid tests that turned out to be normal.

[John21 (OP)]

Years ago when I was in the stage of running from doctor to doctor I had my thyroid checked, and the tests were apparently normal. I did the iodine skin test last week and the patch was still there after 12 hrs, on two occasions.

I have switched to using an iodized sea salt without calcium silicate, the free running additive. This seems like a more natural way to consume salt while ensuring I get enough iodine.

[girlwind]

Apparently, many doctors are NOT skilled at properly diagnosing thyroid disorders. Otherwise there would
not be "13 million Americans with undiagnosed thyroid disease," like me. I've probably gone a couple
decades without a proper diagnosis. And after the hell I've been through with 30 years of CFS and POIS, I feel
obligated to spare others of suffering through as much illness as I have.

So all I am saying is if you do go to a doctor to get your thyroid checked, please read the articles below. Find a
really good doctor, who knows how to PROPERLY diagnose thyroid, and ask to have a FREE T3, FREE T4 and TSH.
Then check the reference ranges to make sure you are not dismissed as "normal," if you really aren't. 

That's all I have to say about it. Now I know that there is a crystal  CLEAR connection between my POIS symptoms
and my low thyroid. Time will tell if healing my thyroid will heal my POIS. I will keep you posted.

http://holtorfmed.reachlocal.net/article_info.php?articles_id=2
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/brownstein-hormones.htm
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm