[demografx]

I just wanted to update everyone on my status.  I have now finished my first bottle of Relora (90 tablets).  So with three a day that makes one month.  During that time I know I have not had noticable POIS symptoms.  I have had an orgasm at least 15 times that I can think of.  Could the placebo effect still be considered?

The Relora seems to be fine. I think the placebo effect is in the 15 orgasms.

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[demografx]

B_Jim, I put less sugar in my coffee this morning []

[girlwind]

And coffe is another eenemy for me  []

There is a coffee substitute called Teeccino, which my acupuncturist sells to help people kick the caffeine
habit. I've never been a coffee drinker (allergic to it), but this stuff tastes good. It does have some dates and
figs to sweeten it, but no dextrose sugars. It brews like coffee and comes in several flavors. Hazelnut is the
one I've used.  http://www.teeccino.com/

[John21 (OP)]

I once ordered a sample pack of Teeccino... I didn't like it at all, it's nothing like coffee. I switched to decaf.

[CertainlyPOIS]

I have never had any POIS outside of orgasm. 

I just wanted to update everyone on my status.  I have now finished my first bottle of Relora (90 tablets).  So with three a day that makes one month.  During that time I know I have not had noticable POIS symptoms.  I have had an orgasm at least 15 times that I can think of.  Could the placebo effect still be considered?

Tarkington do you use relora during pois or out of it and did it make you feel sleepy. If it did, did the sedative aspect of it reduce after continuous use.  I have only used about five pills.
I haven't gotten a chance to use it for a long period without Pois kicking in.

[John21 (OP)]

For those of you who wish to keep records of your trials and symptoms and wish to do so on the computer, I recommend "Alpha Journal". I have downloaded and sampled various software journals and I liked this one the best and today I purchased it. It allows you to easily flip through entries and automatically saves your work. It also has a 30 day trial period. If anyone knows of a better one let us know, but I'm liking this one.

http://www.alpharealms.com/journal/index.htm

[demografx]

For those of you who wish to keep records of your trials and symptoms and wish to do so on the computer, I recommend "Alpha Journal". I have downloaded and sampled various software journals and I liked this one the best and today I purchased it. It allows you to easily flip through entries and automatically saves your work. It also has a 30 day trial period. If anyone knows of a better one let us know, but I'm liking this one.
http://www.alpharealms.com/journal/index.htm

Thanks, John, it looks very good. Appreciate your posting it for everyone.

John, since you are the Very First Member of this forum, people here might be interested to know what changes you've seen and experienced here as we approach the 2nd Year anniversary of your post! (February 18, 2007)

[demografx]

TEECCINO

I loved it. Till the novelty of drinking dates and figs wore off. Besides I could never stay away too long from that Caffeinated Hold on my life...sigh...  [:I]

[demografx]

And coffe is another eenemy for me  []
Maybe sugar is not bad for you.  []
I do not want to generalize my case for the entire board.

I was just being silly, B_Jim. But seriously, you did influence me to cut the sugar down a little bit at least. I do crash from it.

[demografx]

John, since you are the Very First Member of this forum, people here might be interested to know what changes you've seen and experienced here as we approach the 2nd Year anniversary of your post! (February 18, 2007)

B_Jim, you are the 2nd Member of this forum, posting on June 6, 2007. It would be great to also hear your historical perspective as we approach the Two Year Mark!

[girlwind]

TEECCINO

I loved it. Till the novelty of drinking dates and figs wore off. Besides I could never stay away too long from that Caffeinated Hold on my life...sigh...  [:I]

I'm glad I can't drink coffee. It sounds like heroin, especially the way some coffee drinkers describe their devotion to it.
If something had a "Caffeinated Hold" on my life, I would be inclined to kick it's butt to the curb.  [] []

[Finally]

Same here.

I road a rollercoaster last year and after the ride finished I felt POIS symptoms...weird.  It was like I was on a high during the ride (all thoughs sensations going fast upside-down) and after it was a low.



Go go fenugreek at the amusement park? []

I think I had POIS symptoms after a roller coaster ride once, but then again my girlfriend was sitting on my lap []

[martin88]

Thanks John for the software. I'll try this.

Girlwind, it's a good thing you're posting about this coffee substitute: I took a similar product for three months every morning and I was incredibly more tired than usual! As soon as I stopped I started to feel better. It contains chicory :
http://www.botanical-online.com/medicinalsachicoriaangles.htm
Toxicity
This plant should not be used by those people who present tendency to produce kidney stones, since the root is rich in oxalates. In the same way, people who have low blood pressure or with tendency to suffer anemias should refrain from eating it. It musn't be used with gastroduodenal ulcers.

I don't know if it was because of chicory/BP but definitely this product was causing fatigue in my case.

[John21 (OP)]

Demografx, I am still as amazed that so many people found the site merely be searching for a solution. I'm sure new people will keep popping in...it must be daunting when someone finds the forum now, there is so much to read! I am grateful to everyone who has contributed.

I am personally much better off now than 2 years ago, due to my NEs being POIS free as of late.

[demografx]

I wish you success with the tests. I'm surprised they have accepted. You'll have plenty of time to recover before the holidays !

Martin, I am seeing the university endocrinologist as an individual patient (anyone can go). Not as part of any research study. But it might also be a good way to find out if there is a possibility for them to do POIS research eventually.

[demografx]

Demografx, I am still as amazed that so many people found the site merely be searching for a solution. I'm sure new people will keep popping in...it must be daunting when someone finds the forum now, there is so much to read! I am grateful to everyone who has contributed.

I am personally much better off now than 2 years ago, due to my NEs being POIS free as of late.

John, I'm much better off, too, than two years ago when you started off this forum. If it weren't for this forum, I might not have been aware enough to see the connection between Levitra and POIS. I might have just thought I was simply improving with age.

ps - I am amazed too at how many people find us. But then again, POIS can be a very desperate condition. Especially when most of the world has no clue what we're going through!

POIS can be a living hell.

[demografx]

Historical perspective for the last 2 years ?
When i joined the forum i was in moderate depression. I tried sport and daylight exposure without success. St John's Wort quickly removed my depression.
In May, a friend said to me he found a diet against POIS symptoms.
- I seriously start it in July and i have first results. For the first time i understand that diarrheas were caused by sugar and not "stress" .
- In August, I started to have less hypoglycemias.
- September , i start to eat only proteins after orgasm and my POIS symptoms start to decrease.

I think POIS may have multiple causes. If someone think his POIS is linked to adrenal glands, he should avoid caffeine and try to controle glycemia (reduce sugar and high GI food). I don't think it's effective to follow the adrenal fatigue's diet recommanded by naturopaths/nutritionists without removed these stressors in a first time. And i think modern medicine makes a major mistake by underestimating physical stressors as sugar or others one. All stressors are not psychological.

B_Jim, thank you for all your terrific contributions here. I hope coffee is not contributing heavily to my POIS. If it is, I guess I must accept it. Or else!

Because of your experience, I am paying much closer attention to protein vs. Carbohydrates.

[demografx]

I think I had POIS symptoms after a roller coaster ride once, but then again my girlfriend was sitting on my lap []

Now this requires some serious science: take a roller coaster ride again with said female removed. If symptoms persist, try bumper cars or boat rides!

[demografx]

Hi Counterpoints (or whoever else has access to the questionnaire form),

I just filled out the form at http://pois.olympe-network.com/.  However, I just noticed that I made some errors in doing so.  Is there a way for me to edit my responses?  Or, if I need to fill it out again, would someone be able to delete my first version for me afterwards?
Thanks!

Guthrie, how have you been feeling lately?

[girlwind]

Hey Demografx: I found this article on the Natural News website.
It has a long list of health experts commenting on caffeine's detrimental effects on the adrenals.   [xx(]
http://www.naturalnews.com/012352.html

The hidden dangers of caffeine: How coffee causes exhaustion, fatigue and addiction
"After prolonged "caffeinism," your body enters a state of adrenal exhaustion. Your caffeine consumption has simply
pushed your adrenal glands so much that they've burned out. Ralph T. Golan, ND, describes this unfortunate state in
his book, Herbal Defense: "Caffeine forces your glands to secrete when they don't have much left to give, and they
have to keep digging deeper and deeper, making you more and more tired over time. And over the years, it takes
more and more coffee to get the same result. Some people reach the point of drinking half a dozen or more cups of
coffee to get the same result and it's barely keeping them awake. That's severe adrenal depletion."

In other words, caffeine affects your body just like any drug. You start taking it slowly, but as your body develops a
tolerance to it, you need more and more to feel the same effects. Eventually, your body reaches a point where it can't
be without it; otherwise, you will start to experience withdrawal symptoms."