[Chewbacca]

RE: Self experimentation group

I have created a self experimentation google group for those of us already engaged in self experimentation and testing to come together in a coordinated manner and test viable options for POIS remedies, coping strategies, and "cures" god willing. This is an email group. i have created it because it's focus will be very specific and is intended for participants only. However, results will be made available to the forum when conclusions are drawn.

This is a volunteer group intended for medically responsible individuals only. This means that you don't do anything without consulting a doctor or expert(nobody wants to be responsible for the suffering caused by reckless suggestion.)Having said that, ultimately people are responsible for their own well being.

In this group we will share our experiences of remedies that we try collectively. If you are interested in joining this google group please message me with you email and I will add you to the group. I suggest you create a "dummy" gmail account in order to maintain your privacy. This is easy, free, and only takes a second.

Now let's go explori'n and see what we find!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Limejuice, Girlwind, Demografx send me a message with you dumby email and i will add you and whoever else wants to participate.

[demografx]

i live in UAE........ ajman !!!

Beautiful place, Sohail!

[demografx]

Would it screw up the study if I continued Levitra? Painful to think of going back to full-blown POIS if the remedy doesn't work..............

That's a hard call to make. You have decide how or if to take that risk.

Girlwind, there might be a slight misunderstanding. What I meant is that I didn't want to skew the study results with my 'aberrant participation', i.e., being on Levitra.

[demografx]

RE: Self experimentation group
Limejuice, Girlwind, Demografx send me a message with you dumby email and i will add you and whoever else wants to participate.

Chewbacca, sorry to dupe the private message but I know you're just starting with it so...is my AOL address ok to use? (I PM'd it to you)

[demografx]

Post testing....123...havent been able to post.

Your mic is too loud []

[demografx]

Sohail,

If you decide to try fenugreek, your pharmacy can look up its interaction effect with your other Rx medications in their computer.

As Counterpoints suggested, it would also be good to discuss with your doctor. Fenugreek stimulates your pituitary's oxytocin.

[Whoa]

and Thankyou everyone of helping me ......its killing me socially ....especially brain fog , what to do pls helllllllllllppp

Some suggestions:
1) Avoid orgasm, as long as you are able
2) Talk to a physician.  Mention this forum.  Tell him there are 150+ other people with a very similar condition.  Tell him it is called "POIS: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome".  Tell him/her a scientific journal article was published on this condition, by Dr. Waldinger (MD).
3) Discuss beta-blockers, relora, fenugreek, zoloft, wellbutrin, levitra, garlic, salt-water, etc. with your physician. 
4) Consider cortisol, prolactin, thyroid (TSH, T3, T4), DHEA, blood tests.  Get your blood pressure checked, and your heart rhythm.  Also consider a blood sugar test.

Good luck.

I want to add that regular exercise helps some of us - at the gym, in the pool, on the mountain, etc. It also strengthens the libido.

[demografx]

RE: Counterpoints, Demografx, sgsg777, everyone else.
Thank you for your concerns demografx, you seem dedicated to creating a free and open forum which should be commended.

Thank you for seeing that.

[sgsg777]

Hi b Jim , Thankyu .
but how do we eat these plants .....

[sgsg777]

It's day2 for me. Pois is already finished. I tried sea salt dillued in water but i don't feel any difference at day1. I will retry.  I had cold feelings 2 hours after orgasm and fatigue 8/10 hours later. But symptoms are edfintly reduced (no more real flulike state).

AND WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT GARLIC?
SO WATER SALT DONT WORK OR IT DOES .......

Welcome Sohail.
We need more details about your symptoms to help you.
We have experience with different forms of Pois.

YES I AM HERE WHAT EVER U NEED , PLS HELP , AND ALSO FEEL SWEATING WHOLE DAY BUT THE BRAIN FOG IS BAD........

PHYTOTHERAPY:

I have read a book of phytotherapy:
Some plants might help pois or adrenals:

adrenals activating plants:
rosemary, salvia, basil, Blackcurrant, Pine nut

plants for 'sexual energy':
Tribulus terrestris (decrease anxiety , increase testosterone )
schizandra (spermathorea) (magnolia family, like relora ingredient?)
(tested by girlwind)

BUT HOW DO WE EAT these plants or they available in powder or capsule ......

[sgsg777]

Sohail,

If you decide to try fenugreek, your pharmacy can look up its interaction effect with your other Rx medications in their computer.

As Counterpoints suggested, it would also be good to discuss with your doctor. Fenugreek stimulates your pituitary's oxytocin.

what is oxytocin

[sgsg777]

RE: Self experimentation group
Limejuice, Girlwind, Demografx send me a message with you dumby email and i will add you and whoever else wants to participate.

THNAKYOU

Chewbacca, sorry to dupe the private message but I know you're just starting with it so...is my AOL address ok to use? (I PM'd it to you)

[sgsg777]

so i will use garlic today raw , as a starting .......or should i take garlic capsulles..??
but how much?

[sgsg777]

Sohail's (sgsg777) email address that he lists:
gagaitextilesATgmailDOTcom

thankyou !!!! thanks alot

[demografx]

Hi b Jim , Thankyu .
but how do we eat these plants .....

Sohail, can I make a friendly suggestion? Don't jump at every cure-possibility you read about. Or you will drown in a sea of data! We present MANY MANY possibilities, but very few are acted upon. And what works for one person, doesn't necessarily work for another person.

My suggestion is to try and relax, go more slowly, and think about everything you see here. Then move slowly and decide to try what is COMFORTABLE FOR YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR. For example, Levitra works somewhat for me, but I would NEVER recommend it for YOU.

Sohail, we are all still searching. Some of us who have found temporary "cures" have not tried them for a long time. So we all continue to be a little bit cautious.

So keep thinking independently and asking the good questions which you have been and you will find better and better answers as you go along!

[demografx]

so i will use garlic today raw , as a starting .......or should i take garlic capsulles..??
but how much?

Sohail, I searched the posts and found John21's answer to my garlic question such as you asked:

Demografx, I simply eat at least a clove a day... I chop it up and put it on a cracker with a spread topping to mask it a little. P.O.[postorgasmic] I tend to eat more than one/day.

[demografx]

SOHAIL, this may help you better find things from the 95 pages we now have!

SEARCH POIS FORUM WITH GOOGLE!

I just stumbled on this. As many of you know, the TNS Search is a work in progress. Can be frustrating.

So I searched Google to see how to better Google-search our POIS Forum. Why? Because we have an overwhelming amount of data: nearly 2 years' worth of posts from 130+ Forum members!

I think I found the way.

In the Google search box, type
whatever you're interested in finding[space] site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within POIS Forum!

whenever I tried to use Google "as is" - without the way I described above - I would typically find only about two (2) results!

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result.

Happy Googling, everyone!

[demografx]

POIS VIDEO

Sohail, Girlwind created a POIS video for us, take a look:

[demografx]

what is oxytocin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

[demografx]

POIS DIARY

Today is Day 5. POIS is over. But disappointed with 4 days fatigue, albeit mild. Levitra seems to take care of the "crazier" symptoms. But fatigue is still annoying. Mildly affects motivation, concentration indirectly.

It's improved. I shouldn't complain after 30+ years of POIS agony!