[demografx]

As you said this forum can find something, we have the proof. This is very encouraging for all of us.

Thank you, Martin!

[SteveD]

TENSION RELIEVER

It's been 6 weeks. Enough! Maybe that's the right length of cycle interval for me. Do feel better, more energized "in spite of". Hope it lasts.

Next endo visit/more labwork is in 3 days.

As always, this place is hopping with ideas!

Thanks, everyone!

UPDATE: 4 HOURS LATER...TIRED

You okay?

[SteveD]

Though the use of Gandhi’s prayer “In brahmacharya lies the protection of the body, the mind and the soul” and an old piece of poetry that begins “The Lord is my shepherd…” I was able to stay focused on serving musically today. One guy learned melody construction in contemporary composition, one I taught Django Reinhart and a third Voodoo Chile (Slight Return).

I took my partner to dinner at a 5 star restaurant and the total focus on sensuality, while absolutely blissful, started me dissipating. When I start with food, I quickly move to sex, and that engages one of the five stages, for me, of POIS.

Got me to thinkin'... I just may become more conservative. Hmmmm...
 

[demografx]

Though the use of Gandhi’s prayer “In brahmacharya lies the protection of the body, the mind and the soul” and an old piece of poetry that begins “The Lord is my shepherd…” I was able to stay focused on serving musically today. One guy learned melody construction in contemporary composition, one I taught Django Reinhart and a third Voodoo Chile (Slight Return).

I took my partner to dinner at a 5 star restaurant and the total focus on sensuality, while absolutely blissful, started me dissipating. When I start with food, I quickly move to sex, and that engages one of the five stages, for me, of POIS.

Got me to thinkin'... I just may become more conservative. Hmmmm...

Amazing. Brahmacharya. I tried to fully embrace this and other similarities that you espouse. Just couldn't do it. Hundreds of reasons.

And, DESPITE the agony of going the other way, it's who I am, perhaps powerfully encoded genetically over centuries.

So I will continue to pursue the world of hormonal balance, neurotransmitter fun and games (Hormonopoly®, anyone?) and brain transplants []

You okay?

Yes. But still tired. And if history repeats, I have several more days of this to look forward to. Thanks for asking.

Got me to thinkin'... I just may become more conservative. Hmmmm...

Don't do it. See Frost/Nixon.

[Jasmine07]

hi guys, i'm a 23 year old healthy female, however, a day or two after an orgasm i get a couple of painful, inflamed pimples on my shoulders/back. my hormone levels are fine.  i've tested this numerous times over  the past few years and i'm convinced that's what my body acne is related to. does anyone have a similar problem??

[demografx]

hi guys, i'm a 23 year old healthy female, however, a day or two after an orgasm i get a couple of painful, inflamed pimples on my shoulders/back. my hormone levels are fine.  i've tested this numerous times over  the past few years and i'm convinced that's what my body acne is related to. does anyone have a similar problem??

Jasmine, welcome to The POIS thread of Naked Science Forum! These 3 posts are for you (this one and the following two).

The link directly below shows previous posts which contain acne as part of the discussion. I hope that helps. The "MessageID" number is the search result forum Post to look for. The numbers do change, but it should be close by to the one you're looking for. The MessageID of your very first post above, for example, is found underneath your name that appears to the left of your post and is MessageID 216495.

Best wishes! And looking forward to more posts from you.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=acne+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

[demografx]

Jasmine, here are some more forum resources for you:


"Girlwind" - yes, that is another female name here - has created an excellent POIS Video. A first!

"B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. MessageID: 149009
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009


And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

[demografx]

my hormone levels are fine.

Solutions for POIS may need to go way beyond the standard hormone tests.

"Girlwind" in particular is extremely knowledgeable in this area. She just recently completed $2,000 worth of hormone tests! That doesn't mean that you need anything close to Girlwind's (she's also looking for other maladies besides POIS), but you may want to take a look at some of our previous hormone test discussions:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hormone+test+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

[Counterpoints]

hi guys, i'm a 23 year old healthy female, however, a day or two after an orgasm i get a couple of painful, inflamed pimples on my shoulders/back. my hormone levels are fine.  i've tested this numerous times over  the past few years and i'm convinced that's what my body acne is related to. does anyone have a similar problem??

Hi Jasmine,
Sometimes stress can cause acne outbreaks.  Perhaps you associate orgasm with stress, and this precipitates your condition?
This is interesting, but I'm almost positive you don't have "conventional POIS"; of course, the term "POIS" is becoming increasingly vague.

The 200 or so, who have posted, can be separated into about three distinct groups. The first group contains
very approximately 120 of the posters.  These people share about 10 notable mental symptoms (word finding difficulty, brain fog, ...), but have no severe physical symptoms.  The next group contains about 60 posters -- these people have the same mental symptoms as those in the first group, with additional physical symptoms.  The third group contains people who not only have different symptoms from those in the first two groups, but who have different symptoms from one another! Nonetheless, the symptoms are often some combination of physical/mental, and are usually quite severe.  Mostly, this group shares the fact that they feel some kind of symptom "post-orgasm".

[SteveD]

The 200 or so, who have posted, can be separated into about three distinct groups. The first group contains
very approximately 120 of the posters.  These people share about 10 notable mental symptoms (word finding difficulty, brain fog, ...), but have no severe physical symptoms.  The next group contains about 60 posters -- these people have the same mental symptoms as those in the first group, with additional physical symptoms.  The third group contains people who not only have different symptoms from those in the first two groups, but who have different symptoms from one another! Nonetheless, the symptoms are often some combination of physical/mental, and are usually quite severe.  Mostly, this group shares the fact that they feel some kind of symptom "post-orgasm".

Counterpoints,

That's remarkable profiling information. Can you tell me what the 10 mental symptoms from the (60%)  first group are?
Is there a grouping, pattern or cluster to the physical symptoms experienced by the (30%) of the second group?
How long have you been collecting profiling?

[demografx]

The 200 or so, who have posted, can be separated into about three distinct groups. The first group contains very approximately 120 of the posters.  These people share about 10 notable mental symptoms (word finding difficulty, brain fog, ...), but have no severe physical symptoms.  The next group contains about 60 posters -- these people have the same mental symptoms as those in the first group, with additional physical symptoms.  The third group contains people who not only have different symptoms from those in the first two groups, but who have different symptoms from one another! Nonetheless, the symptoms are often some combination of physical/mental, and are usually quite severe.  Mostly, this group shares the fact that they feel some kind of symptom "post-orgasm".

Counterpoints, extreme exhaustion and physical fatigue is my understanding of the chief POIS symptom, yet I hardly ever see you mention it! We've had this discussion before privately and publicly, yet we keep coming back to it.

I know it's not your key symptom (it is mine), but starting with the POIS founder, Dr. Marcel Waldinger and his 5-year observation of patients, plus the people who have posted here, exhaustion and fatigue, both physical and mental are the main complaints I see repeatedly.

Maybe there is a difference between people who post consistently vs. the one-timers? Am I missing something?

Admittedly, I have not quantitatively analyzed B_Jim's data,
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009 but when something strikes me as so obvious and so repetitive - and I've been here since the beginning of The POIS Forum...it's difficult to understand how we could differ so greatly.

B_Jim, I'd greatly appreciate also hearing your understanding of the chief symptoms of POIS. Thank you!

[SteveD]

"Girlwind" in particular is extremely knowledgeable in this area. She just recently completed $2,000 worth of hormone tests!

Girlwind,

I'm getting testing done for my anemia and while I'm there I'll request some hormonal testing. Can you tell me briefly what you tested for?

[Counterpoints]

Counterpoints, extreme exhaustion and physical fatigue is my understanding of the chief POIS symptom.

Physical fatigue simply isn't the most common symptom.  There are posters with mental symptoms, without physical symptoms.  And there are posters with both.  And there are posters with physical symptoms, but no mental symptoms; however, these cases are extremely rare (<1%?).

So it follows, naturally, that physical fatigue is not a primary symptom, though it does affect a considerable number of sufferers.

As you know, Dr. Waldinger only discussed 2 patients.  And some of their symptoms were rather irregular in this circle.  He also emphasized that each of them had premature ejaculation, which is not something I have heard talked about here.

Maybe there is a difference between people who post consistently vs. the one-timers? Am I missing something?

I don't see why I would mention physical fatigue in the context of the above quoted post.  One point, I am trying to draw attention to, is that many of us can be placed into different groups, and it is likely each group has distinct causes for the symptoms associated with that group.  For instance, your high prolactin levels may have something to do with your symptoms.  However, both of Dr. Waldinger's patients had normal prolactin levels (I do too, as do some of the others who have been tested here).

[demografx]

Counterpoints, extreme exhaustion and physical fatigue is my understanding of the chief POIS symptom.

Physical fatigue simply isn't the most common symptom.  There are posters with mental symptoms, without physical symptoms.  And there are posters with both.  And there are posters with physical symptoms, but no mental symptoms; however, these cases are extremely rare (<1%?).

So it follows, naturally, that physical fatigue is not a primary symptom, though it does affect a considerable number of sufferers.

As you know, Dr. Waldinger only discussed 2 patients.  And some of their symptoms were rather irregular in this circle.  He also emphasized that each of them had premature ejaculation, which is not something I have heard talked about here.

Maybe there is a difference between people who post consistently vs. the one-timers? Am I missing something?

I don't see why I would mention physical fatigue in the context of the above quoted post.  One point, I am trying to draw attention to, is that many of us can be placed into different groups, and it is likely each group has distinct causes for the symptoms associated with that group.  For instance, your high prolactin levels may have something to do with your symptoms.  However, both of Dr. Waldinger's patients had normal prolactin levels (I do too, as do some of the others who have been tested here).

As I mentioned in my post excerpted directly below, mental and physical fatigue/exhaustion is what I believe.

starting with the POIS founder, Dr. Marcel Waldinger and his 5-year observation of patients, plus the people who have posted here, exhaustion and fatigue, both physical and mental are the main complaints I see repeatedly.

As  I also mentioned in my post excerpted directly above, I referred to Dr. Waldinger's 5-year history of observations, not the 2 patients he wrote up.

Are we still at odds?

[Counterpoints]

I just went through survey responses.  Several people mention 'fatigue', while listing mostly mental symptoms.  So it's somewhat ambiguous whether they are referring to physical or mental fatigue.  But about 48-55% of responders list physical fatigue or exhaustion as a post orgasm symptom.

edit:  I've never seen the "5 year history".  Where is this?

[demografx]

Counterpoints, your survey is a small fraction of the total 200 visitors, plus Waldinger!

[demografx]

edit:  I've never seen the "5 year history".  Where is this?

It's in Dr. Waldinger's paper that you read and posssibly missed.

[demografx]

CP, I just tried to look at the survey, and the data's not there; I understand there are problems - have they been resolved?

[demografx]

about 48-55% of responders list physical fatigue or exhaustion as a post orgasm symptom.

Albeit skewed to the approx. 19 forum survey participants, isn't that modal-statistic reason enough to list it as a chief sysmptom? I'm sure nothing else comes in as even a close 2nd to the 48-55%!! And please don't count just "mental" as a chief characteristic []

I love this: a 30+ year market-data researcher and a physicist duking it out []

Counterpoints, please take into account that I've been at this obsessively for years. I know you've also put in a great deal of time, too.

Please don't take any of this as unappreciative of your work. But I will bet my bottom dollar on physical/mental, even emotional exhaustion/fatigue.

[demografx]

Counterpoints, speaking of exhaustion, POIS has got me right now...fatigued!!!! []