[latebind]

My contribution, although its probably somewhere in the blog already...

It seems doctors feel this might be an allergic reaction to hormones released via erections and ejacs.
Perhaps try some hayfever medicine or some allergy medicine?


mod edit - erections

The link for this comes from an article

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-6889.html

[Limejuice]

What is the latest news about fenugreek or relora? Anyone?

RE: Relora and Fenugreek - For me

Relora gave me extremely intense headaches, which turns out is a documented side-effect.

Fenugreek does reduce some POIS symptoms - I'd say overall relief is 50%


The PS has the greatest impact and reduces POIS symptoms to 5% and recovery to one day!

[demografx]

The PS [Phosphatedylserine] has the greatest impact and reduces POIS symptoms to 5% and recovery to one day!

WOW! Wonderful, Limejuice!!!

Limejuice, it would help others if you could quickly re-cap your profile/symptoms so similarly afflicted can ask their doctors? Appreciate it!


Limejuice bold emphasis mine - mod

[demografx]

Has there been anything said from Dr. Waldinger as of late???

Pyro, he continues to be powerfully......quiet []

Forum contributors and forum members' endocrinologists seem to be the most helpful at this time, Pyro.

[Limejuice]

No worries B_Jim - heres a recap:

Limejuice, it would help others if you could quickly re-cap your profile/symptoms so similarly afflicted can ask their doctors? Appreciate it!
Limejuice bold emphasis mine - mod

Heres a recap of the symptoms I experienced during POIS and the duration of those symptoms (in outline format)

Symptoms:
- brain fog (struggle with concentration, finding the right words to say)
- apathy (emotional numbness)
- insomnia (tired during the day but awake/wired feeling at night)
- loss of inhibition
- stress (although I didn't recognize it was stress until days ago..after  12 years)
- Social Anxiety
- sensitivity to carbohydrates and stimulants (sugar, alcohol, pasta, caffine)

Recovery:
- Day 0 felt mild POIS as if feeling the onset of a headcold
- Day 1 significat POIS symptoms descibed above at around 80%
- Day 2 height of POIS symptom at 100%
- Day 3 slight reduction of symptoms back to 80%
- Day 4 40% symptoms
- Day 5 10%
And so on.

[martin88]

The PS has the greatest impact and reduces POIS symptoms to 5% and recovery to one day!

Limejuice, it's great for your success.

I'd have 2 questions :
-Do you think the thyroid medication is involved in your improvement ?
-Is your PS supplement from brain or from soya ?

[Limejuice]

The PS has the greatest impact and reduces POIS symptoms to 5% and recovery to one day!

Limejuice, it's great for your success.

I'd have 2 questions :
-Do you think the thyroid medication is involved in your improvement ?
-Is your PS supplement from brain or from soya ?

-It's difficult determine how much impact the thyriod medication has on the improvement as it's effect has been more gradual.  But I can tell the impact of the effect from the PS as it feels like it wears off and when I take another it feels like it kicks back in.

-I beleive the PS is made from soy (and from what I read PS is no longer made from brain because of scare from animal diseases like mad cow).

[demografx]

Limejuice, thank you for so generously sharing your success story with us!

[Guthrie]

The PS has the greatest impact and reduces POIS symptoms to 5% and recovery to one day!

Limejuice, could you let us know what brand of PS you use?

[pyropeach]

Welcome new sufferers .

The best relief i can get is with tyrosine, L-phenylalanine, Relora, Advil, and, of course, as much quality sleep as possible

Interesting Pyro, i din't notice this point. When do you take it ? Just after ?

Limejuice, sorry i forgot ure  good results with PS. I need to read again

I do take it right after for relief of the headache.

What is PS? 

[Limejuice]

Limejuice, could you let us know what brand of PS you use?

I use Nature's Way and although PS is expensive this brand is the best price.  I noticed Solgar makes PS and am extremely curious about trying that but a bottle is $30+ and lasts for 10 days.

[demografx]

Are there PS side effects we should be aware of?

[demografx]

What is PS? 

PS is abbreviation for the tongue-twister Phosphatedylserine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphatidylserine

[demografx]

On PS Safety from wikipedia

[The soy vs. brain-derivation was discussed earlier on the forum by Limejuice]

"Safety
Traditionally, PS supplements were derived from bovine cortex (BC-PS); however, due to the potential transfer of infectious diseases, soy-derived PS (S-PS) has been established as a safe alternative. Soy-derived PS is Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) and is a safe nutritional supplement for older persons if taken up to a dosage of 200 mg three times daily. [8] Phosphatidylserine has been shown to reduce specific immune response in mice. "

[Jiddu5]

Hi All,
I put a post here a couple of weeks ago talking about my experiences with the Buteyko breathing method. Dunno if anyone tried it out - in fact, as was pointed out at the time, it is kind of complicated.

Anyway, while I did recommend getting a book or DVD about it before trying any of the exercises, I was reading through the book I use, 'Close Your Mouth', the other day (I haven't actualy read through it fully in a while), and I came upon a page with some notes of caution, and I figured since I recommended it, it might be a good idea to share them. The method is actually primarily used to cure asthma, and the author says if you experience any exacerbation of any health symptoms, to cease the exercises. He also says:

•Not to practise the method if you suffer from any of the following conditions: sickle cell anaemia; arterial aneurysm; very high uncontrolled blood pressure; any heart problems in the past three months; uncontrolled hyperthyroidism; a known brain tumour or kidney disease.

•Also, he says if you suffer from any of the following then you need the direct guidance of a qualified and experienced Buteyko practitioner: diabetes; severe asthma; emphysema; epilepsy; schizophrenia; unsatisfactory blood pressure levels or chest pains or pain in the heart region.

Basically, if you're unsure about your health in any way, it's better to contact a Buteyko practitioner directly for advise I think. Anyway, I just thought I'd add those notes of caution to my previous post for the sake of it.

Best of luck to all!

[demografx]

Jiddu, thank you for your concern and for your notes of caution on the breathing techniques.

[demografx]

Hmmm, that's not the first time we talk about phosphorus group molecules with Counterpoints, Martin (hypophosphatinemia) and others... (Phosphatidylserine, ATP... ) .  Anyway Phosphatidylserine supplements are expensive but interesting for cognitive functions.

Thanks Pyro.

B_Jim, I found just a few forum discussions about Phosphatidylserine here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Phosphatidylserine+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

[CertainlyPOIS]

test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone 19.9
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals

[demografx]

test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4
estrogen - 55 40 - 115
free testorone 19.9
dhea 878    208 - 771
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13


i still dont agree with test untill i take in full pois.
I was just wondering does endocrinologist test these same chemicals

CC, you have every right to request that the endocrinologist test these exact same chemicals/hormones in-POIS.

[GoingCrazy]

just like to say, after i thought i was cured from pois, i was, but only for a few ejaculations.  The fourth time I did it i got immediate aches and pains, the following morning was unbearable... headache, depression, anxiety, extreme dysphoria, very very irritable, and my whole body ached all over.  It felt worse than before, but probably only because i hadn't experienced it in a while.