[demografx]

This time I am also noticing muscle twitching, I get them typically in the left eyelid.

Very interesting, John. Is this a new development or just now noticing it?

And It seems that raw garlic may help NE's!

[demografx]

This is hilarious... I believe deepening of my voice occurs too, its almost like I'm a completely different person!  I don't know if it actually "deepens" your voice, it might just be how bad pois feels that we don't feel like speaking normally.

I can't sing worth a damn. Dang POIS!!!     []

[demografx]

Interesting study :
Garlic Supplementation Increases Testicular Testosterone and Decreases Plasma Corticosterone in Rats Fed a High Protein Diet
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150

Very interesting, Martin. My testosterone success might be replicated with tons of garlic!!! (I'll take the T [])

[demografx]

Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.

[John21 (OP)]

Demo,

Quote from: John21 on 22/02/2009 21:22:03

This time I am also noticing muscle twitching, I get them typically in the left eyelid.


Very interesting, John. Is this a new development or just now noticing it?

And It seems that raw garlic may help NE's!

Re:Raw Garlic: Yes it may be the explanation for what caused me to be nonsymptomatic, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions....time will tell.

The muscle twitching is something I have noticed in the past, and has typically been on my eyelid but I remember once having a muscle on my left hand freaking out once. Perhaps it is related to my double vision.

[Ambient123]

Just a thought. I recall someone mentioning that phosphatidylserine (PS) greatly alleviated POIS symptoms. Has anyone else tried PS as a POIS cure?

[CertainlyPOIS]

test result
cortisol - 6.1  3 - 22.4 ug/dl
estrogen - 55 40 - 115  pg/ml
free testorone 19.9  pg/ml
dhea 878    208 - 771ng/dl
prolactin 6.24 2.64- 13.13 ng/ml
testosterone   613     175-781 ng/dl

[martin88]

Demo,
Re:Raw Garlic: Yes it may be the explanation for what caused me to be nonsymptomatic, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions....time will tell.

The muscle twitching is something I have noticed in the past, and has typically been on my eyelid but I remember once having a muscle on my left hand freaking out once. Perhaps it is related to my double vision.

This is interesting, a lot of pois symptoms, including double vision :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myelin
Symptoms of Demyelination
Typical symptoms include:
blurriness in the central visual field that affects only one eye; may be accompanied by pain upon eye movement;
double vision;
odd sensation in legs, arms, chest, or face, such as tingling or numbness (neuropathy);
weakness of arms or legs;
cognitive disruption including speech impairment and memory loss;
heat sensitivity (symptoms worsen, reappear upon exposure to heat such as a hot shower);
loss of dexterity;
difficulty coordinating movement or balance disorder;
difficulty controlling bowel movements or urination;
fatigue.

inflammation causing demyelination by overproduction of cytokines

Heavy metal poisoning may also lead to demyelination. Even very small amounts of mercury have been shown to be particularly destructive to nerve sheaths


I suggest you google with these keywords:
-phosphatidylserine and myelin sheath.
-ocd and myelin.

[demografx]

Martin, interesting findings.

[demografx]

CC, did you have a reference number for free testosterone? I'm not sure I had one either.

[demografx]

Just a thought. I recall someone mentioning that phosphatidylserine (PS) greatly alleviated POIS symptoms. Has anyone else tried PS as a POIS cure?

Ambient, here are some forum posts about PS:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PS+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

In the link(s) that you find interesting, the msg number changes sometimes, so look at posts before and after, or use Ctrl+F on post page(s)

[John21 (OP)]

Martin,
Double vision seems to be a symptom of various conditions.

Aren't the symptoms for hypogonadism similar to ours?

Symptoms
In Men
Effects of low testosterone in men may include: (not all are present in any single individual)

Word Finding difficulty
Dry Skin
Cracking nails
Fatigue
Muscle loss/atrophy
Frequent urination without infection
Getting up at night to urinate
Dementia-like memory loss
Poor sleep secondary to achy muscles
Poor libido
Erectile Dysfunction
Increasing weight
Glucose intolerance (early diabetes)
Cholesterol/Lipid abnormalities
Slight increase size of breasts
Depression
Anxiety
Hot flashes
Decrease in beard and body hair growth
Loss of bone mass (osteoporosis )
Difficulty concentrating
Irritability
Psychological and relationship problems
Anaemia
Infertility
Decrease in firmness of testicles
Impaired growth of the penis and testicles

[martin88]

Martin,
Double vision seems to be a symptom of various conditions.

Aren't the symptoms for hypogonadism similar to ours?

John, I agree with you, I definitely believe testosterone can be involved. Be sure that all I'm saying is only hypothesis to add to the debate. I don't have the anwer for pois, only suppositions. I think we're all nervous so maybe the answer is in the nervous system (where testosterone has also an action: anxiety,depression,...)

[martin88]

Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.

Me too, I hope it lasts. Do you think that when you tried to increase Levitra the positive effect was lost even when going back to lower doses ?

[demografx]

Testosterone/Levitra THOUGHT

With my Levitra + Testosterone = 75% POIS-cure success, I'm afraid to try anything else. Including increasing the T and Levitra dosages, which I did last time.

Right now, my problem is "Day Zero" and then I breeeeeze through next days. Only a very slight vestige of misery at night.

It's a miracle, guys!!! Never, ever in a million years thought it was possible. I hope it lasts.

Me too, I hope it lasts. Do you think that when you tried to increase Levitra the positive effect was lost even when going back to lower doses ?

I took 30mg because of 4 O's in 4 days. It worked!

The mistake I made before was assuming the Levitra was 100% of the cure. It was not. The combo of T + L is critical to success.

[demografx]

I think we're all nervous so maybe the answer is in the nervous system (where testosterone has also an action: anxiety,depression,...)

I noticed a mood lift right away with the patches.

[CertainlyPOIS]

I did not get reference for free testerone i wonder why.  I need to go find out what free testoterone means.

[demografx]

CC, let me know what you find !

[demografx]

testosterone and depression (nothing new) :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7274481.stm

Wow, B_Jim, 300% more depression in the low testosterone crowd!!

[hurray]

I often wondered whether Demografx and I were approaching the same solution from different directions. The articles below hint strongly that Viagra can have the effect of increasing oxytocin production during orgasm:

http://www.reuniting.info/science/viagra_and_oxytocin
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=29102

Now I know Viagra and Levitra aren't identical, but their effects are sufficiently alike that you have to wonder whether Levitra might not also aid in increasing oxytocin production?


I initially started taking Fenugreek to try to boost my oxytocin levels - could we both be achieving the same effect using different methods?