[demografx]

CCconfucius, at the lab I got my test, the range for free testosterone was 24-95 pmol/L.  You may want to consult this:
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/hcp/intguide/EndoMetab/Gen_Misc/Testosterone/Table%201.pdf
The range will depend on the type of test you took.  I suggest you phone the lab you took the test at.

Thanks, Counterpoints, that was useful for me as well!

[Pantaloon]

What is the latest news about fenugreek or relora? Anyone?

Relora seems to work very well for me.
Been taking it for ~3 months now, at the same time as abstaining - allowing myself to recover and gain energy.
The weekend was my first orgasm in that time and had ~20% POIS systems.
This of course could be down to a number of things. However, I only took 1 capsule yesterday and when I woke up this morning, it felt like the POIS volume had been turned up. A couple more capsules and it's back under control.

I can still feel it's there but it's a shadow of it's former self.

[Pantaloon]

This time I realize a common reaction to orgasm which I'm not sure I have mentioned before, deepening of my voice.

I used to get a similar thing as part of POIS, although I'd describe it as my voice getting huskier, rather than deeper.
This went away after having half of my thyroid removed due to a follicular adenoma (non malignant lump).
 

[CertainlyPOIS]

CCconfucius, at the lab I got my test, the range for free testosterone was 24-95 pmol/L.  You may want to consult this:
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/hcp/intguide/EndoMetab/Gen_Misc/Testosterone/Table%201.pdf
The range will depend on the type of test you took.  I suggest you phone the lab you took the test at.

Thanks, Counterpoints, that was useful for me as well!

Yeah that reference guide was very helpful.
Looking at both options giving  it looks like my free testerone is below what the normal range. But how will i explain that to doctor.

[Ambient123]

TESTOSTERONE

Hey everyone.

I'm aware that my contributions to this site are always simplistic, however it has occured to me that one of the greatest problems when delaing with POIS is the obvious lack of testosterone. A lack of testosterone can inflict many symptoms which all but match those of POIS.

One of the quickest ways to increase testosterone is to consume a lot of protein and amino acids.

Has anyone thought of consuming a large protein shake or something high in protein as a POIS cure?

[Limejuice]

I've done lots of research, like everyone else, on hormones but haven't posted many links to research.  The below link is the most comprehensive article I've found on cortisol and covers so much including suppliments, tests, foods, sex, other hormone interactions and more.

http://www.nutrition4health.org/nohanews/NNSp05Harding.htm

[demografx]

What is the latest news about fenugreek or relora? Anyone?

Relora seems to work very well for me.
Been taking it for ~3 months now, at the same time as abstaining - allowing myself to recover and gain energy.
The weekend was my first orgasm in that time and had ~20% POIS systems.
This of course could be down to a number of things. However, I only took 1 capsule yesterday and when I woke up this morning, it felt like the POIS volume had been turned up. A couple more capsules and it's back under control.

I can still feel it's there but it's a shadow of it's former self.

Congratulations, Pantaloon! And thanks for reporting that. Very encouraging.

B_Jim, do you think we can draw any conclusions yet about Relora?

[demografx]

Looking at both options giving  it looks like my free testerone is below what the normal range. But how will i explain that to doctor.

CC, I think it's up to the doctor to explain it to you - not the other way around - and to tell you what treatment he recommends for you, and why. That's how I wound up with the T-patches.

[demografx]

I've done lots of research, like everyone else, on hormones but haven't posted many links to research.  The below link is the most comprehensive article I've found on cortisol and covers so much including suppliments, tests, foods, sex, other hormone interactions and more.

http://www.nutrition4health.org/nohanews/NNSp05Harding.htm

thanks, Limejuice, I'm taking my first cortisol AM test March 2, so now I can obsess on your link info []

[demografx]

TESTOSTERONE

Hey everyone.

I'm aware that my contributions to this site are always simplistic, however it has occured to me that one of the greatest problems when delaing with POIS is the obvious lack of testosterone. A lack of testosterone can inflict many symptoms which all but match those of POIS.

One of the quickest ways to increase testosterone is to consume a lot of protein and amino acids.

Has anyone thought of consuming a large protein shake or something high in protein as a POIS cure?

Ambient, I think B_Jim had significant success with protein. Here are some interesting protein discussions at our forum:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=protein+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com

After clicking above, look for the "msg" number in the post-link that interests you, but realize that numbers do change, so look before and after or use Ctrl+F to find the exact post.

Ambient, all posts are significant. Please don't minimize the importance of yours.

[demografx]

POIS DIARY

It's been about 9 hours since Double-O. A miracle. I never thought after 30+ years of this agony, I would feel ok by now!

B_Jim and I discussed testosterone + Levitra + stimulants 2 years ago! I just didn't realize that they worked together...and I mistakenly thought that Levitra was the one and only key to my POIS...and I didn't know that T-patches (or gel) are far, far better than T-injections. Very simple. So if there is a lesson here, maybe the answers are right under our nose!

[demografx]

MY LETTER OF THANKS TO THE SEX RESEARCHER
FROM THE CZECH REPUBLIC WHO STRONGLY URGED
ME TO LOOK AT TESTOSTERONE DEFICIENCY AS
THE BASIS FOR MY POIS:


      Subject:        We spoke a few years ago
     
      Date:            February 26, 2009



Hello Dr. ____________,
 

[After many, many failures with American doctors]
I telephoned you a few years ago [2002] about my postorgasmic symptoms and you [strongly] recommended testosterone.
 
I have been moderating an internet forum about this:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.new#new
 
We owe you a debt of gratitude!
 
Together with Levitra, and stimulants, the testosterone has cured my condition 75%+++ !!!
 
Best regards,
 

[demografx]

Note to all: this is not medical advice. Ask your doctor if you think testosterone or Levitra or stimulants may be right for you.

[Ambient123]

TO B-jim:

To what extent would you say your POIS symptoms are alleviated due to this diet?

Are there any particular foods in the diet which make a greater difference?

Thanks

Ambient123

[hurray]

OXYTOCIN

We've discussed the possibility of oxytocin depletion playing a role in POIS. New nasal spray being tested might be a partial POIS treatment?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7412438.stm

Apparently the only problem with nasal sprays is that their effects are considered relatively weak and short-lasting; whether it would have enough effect to replicate what Levitra/fenugreek do for POIS I don't know, it would be interesting to find out!

Certainly protein-heavy meals help reduce my POIS symptoms, it was the first thing I discovered that significantly helped.

The whole testosterone/oxytocin theory is looking plausible at the moment (if only perhaps for one type of POIS), it will be interesting to see where this leads!

[demografx]

POIS DIARY

Today is Day 1, the day after Double-O, where I normally would be feeling devastated. Unable to do much of anything.

Instead, I feel well and energized!

[demografx]

HOPE FOR FUTURE POIS SUFFERERS?

This is a reply I received from the U.S. sex researcher (referred by an expert on Larry King Live)...who referred me to the one in the Czech Republic:

Hi, [Demografx],

"75% healed!!  That's terrific.  Thanks for the information. [I sent links to our forum, articles etc.]  This is some good stuff.  I've got it in the file and will make available to patients.  I've also been teaching about this at Hopkins.  We teach med students and psychiatric residents so we have a role in helping educate new medical practitioners who will be astute to the issues.  As always good hearing from you."

[name]

[Ambient123]

Hey demografx,

That's brilliant about your POIS cure.

Where did you get Levitra and T-patches from?

Im curious as i may try that combination to cure my POIS, since it seems to have brought you great success.

Ambient

[Ambient123]

P.S

One thing i wish to add. I notice that supplementing phosphatidyl serine (PS) does help to alleviate any cognitive POIS symptoms, due to the fact that it helps to build Acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter which is "depleted by ejaculation" according to an article i read.

Demografx, are any of you POIS symptoms cognitive?

If so, you may wish to try PS on top of Levitra and T-patches, maybe get your success cure up to 80%?

[Ambient123]

Hey B_Jim,

Did you ever take protein supplements? There are many on the market, such as Creatine, and Whey protein.

Ambient

[demografx]

Hey demografx,

That's brilliant about your POIS cure.

Where did you get Levitra and T-patches from?

Im curious as i may try that combination to cure my POIS, since it seems to have brought you great success.

Ambient

Thanks, Ambient. But I don't think it's safe to try my "cure" unless you have the same symptoms as I do.

My healing formula started 7 years ago, and only confirmed just now. It's been a fairly convoluted path to get here.

For you and anyone else, I wouldn't try my formula just to cure POIS. First determine whether or not you have low testosterone and ED, which I have.

But I did set out at first to just heal my POIS with testosterone, based on the Czech sex therapist's recommendation. I was tested by a GP and urologist. They saw my testosterone as normal. I insisted on T anyway for POIS, and was treated with monitored depotestosterone injections with mixed results.

The breakthrough came several years later, after becoming more aware of hormonal testing at this forum, and upon visiting an endocrinologist, who put me on patches - which have much steadier results than injections. The endocrinologist based his Rx on my test results for total and free testosterone, which many doctors (including my GP and urologist) don't measure.

The Levitra was prescribed by my GP, for my ED. I wouldn't recommend using it for POIS if you don't have ED. At this time, we don't know what is in Levitra that contributes to healing. Maybe the stimulation of oxytocin? If so, there are substances to try that have fewer harmful effects, such as fenugreek. An oxytocin-based nasal spray is also being tested.

This forum made me more aware of what was working for POIS. Even then, it took me two years to understand that the combination of drugs is what works for me.

Become aware of the side effects of these drugs, they can be powerful. Both negatively and positively.