[demografx]

Hey everyone,

It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!

Tarkington, congratulations on your success with Relora!!

And thank you for reporting it!

[CertainlyPOIS]

i get to see family clinic doctor tommorow, what do i say causes the symptoms and hormonal imbalance.

 

[demografx]

maybe if I wasn't a Skinny, Pot Lover Nihilist none of this would have happened to me.

POIS Noise, since the first research was done in 2002, there is absolutely no evidence that POIS is "our fault". Blaming yourself will produce no cure, it will only make it worse!

PN, just keep focused on "what can improve my life?" And being here at this forum is a very healthy step!

[demografx]

i get to see family clinic doctor tommorow, what do i say causes the symptoms and hormonal imbalance.

Try "sex" and see what reaction you get. If it's not good, then say "and other times". Or just stick to the symptoms/hormonal imbalances without getting into why.

Bring Waldinger's paper.

[demografx]

I have had almost no symptoms recently, other than perhaps some mild anxiety, nothing like my "typical" POIS was. I am attributing this to the Relora. Although I have continued with the garlic it hasn't produced results this positive before. The only other change I have had in my diet over the last months is that I eat some yogurt and blueberries daily. I mention this as it could be relevant to Goingcrazy's theory, but I did have one symptomatic episode after starting that, so it probably isn't relevant.

John, terrific! Can you please tell us what is your regimen for Relora?

I just emailed my endo, asking how testosterone and relora might work together.

I would caution everyone to check with your M.D. about how relora interacts with any prescription drugs you're taking.

[demografx]

Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

[John21 (OP)]

Demo,

John, terrific! Can you please tell us what is your regimen for Relora?

Nothing very specific yet, it is too new. I have taken half a capsule initially following an orgasm or NE, and continued it with one or two half capsules the following day(s). Initially I was quite sensitive to it, with noticeable drowsiness but that has reduced somewhat with usage. I'm not sure, it might only take a hit of it following orgasm to set things right. I am going to experiment with it more apart from sex as a relaxant, to see if it might eventually help my insomnia. When I first tried it months ago I had a negative experience, a full capsule made me feel drugged, and it affected my sleep at that dosage. 1/4 capsule to 1/2 capsule makes me a little drowsy, but it is tolerable and it doesn't make my sleeping any worse at least. I suspect that my tolerance will increase with usage.

Tarkington, did you have such a sensitive reaction to Relora?

[demografx]

taking Relora three times a day

Tarkington, can you say which brand and which dosage?

John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?

Thanks!

[GoingCrazy]

Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

[Finally]

POISE NOISE:
1. I am overweight
2. Tried pot once.
3. I tried to prolong the good feeling without coming  to an end when the bad feeling begins.  Trying to stop just before and let it shrink and start over.  For a while I thought that may have caused the problem wearing me out
4.  TV.
 Computer avoider until recently and only for necessary stuff like this forum.

If a girfriend dumps you for not satisfying her sexually consider it a good thing even if it feels bad now.   You're not a piece of meat.   At 26 you will probably see a cure and enjoy most of your life and be part of it by joining this forum.

MY pois symptoms  seem to last a day or 2 at most now instead of a week.  I am usually good for about the 1st 12 hours then I stiffen up around the spine from lower back to back of head.  It begins to relieve at 24 hours almost exactly.  Then lessens quickly for the next 12 hours and then it goes back to a gradual loosening.

I take  probiotic for general health altough alone wouldn't
help that much.  Any kind of fruit particularly berries are a good thing for diet.  Local in season stuff better than those full of presevatives.

Last time I also filled the tub with as cold water as i could stand  and laying there for a while.  Seemed to take away the warm feverish feeling

I asked about pain threshold because natural substances like those in Relora and in some studies Yohimbe were found to decrease sesitvity of pain receptors in the nerve endings in muscles.

[John21 (OP)]

Demo,

John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?

I have Trophic 250mg.

I am amazed at my sensitivity to it. Last night I wet my finger and lightly pressed it into a small amount if it and ate it, and I got quite a buzz. It is a mix of a joyful feeling and lethargy. Here it is the next morning and I still feel it! It must be a natural tranquilizer, and for me it is probably as powerful as some tranquilizer drugs. But then I am generally very sensitive to many things. I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.05% alcohol I can feel it. Still, I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.

[Counterpoints]

Demo,

John, what is the brand and strength of your capsule dosage?

I have Trophic 250mg.

I am amazed at my sensitivity to it. Last night I wet my finger and lightly pressed it into a small amount if it and ate it, and I got quite a buzz. It is a mix of a joyful feeling and lethargy. Here it is the next morning and I still feel it! It must be a natural tranquilizer, and for me it is probably as powerful as some tranquilizer drugs. But then I am generally very sensitive to many things. I don't drink alcohol, but if I have a "near beer" with 0.05% alcohol I can feel it. Still, I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.

Do you think you could be reacting to something else?  I'm sure you'd find more than 0.05% alcohol in typical grapes, bananas, raspberries, potatoes, etc. To get the same effect as even one can of regular beer, you'd need to drink 34 litres (1150 ounces) of "near beer" in about 5 minutes... actually, you'd probably have to drink even more than that (60+ litres?), since the concentrated nature of a substance is partly responsible for the effect.  Of course, drinking more than 30 litres of anything in a short time would be impossible or would cause far more serious problems than an alcohol dose equivalent to a can of beer.
 
I know I have felt very strange after having a couple bottles of "non-alcoholic" Clausthaler (or O'Doul's).  It can cause me to have a really unusual POIS-like (semi-allergic?) reaction. This is interesting, because I think our POIS symptoms are quite similar. But if I have a pint of regular beer (perhaps depending on brand? specific ingredients?), I don't feel worse than after the Clausthaler.  Often I'll feel fairly normal.

At first, I thought maybe this had something to do with "gluten", ... or yeast. 

But, in general, I don't seem to feel bad after eating bread.  (Again, I have felt strange in certain cases... but maybe it had to do more with preservatives, etc.?).  I'm really not sure.  I worry about sounding like a hypochondriac when I talk about this, but the reaction is definitely quite severe.... and when I noticed this, I certainly wasn't expecting any kind of reaction to the food/drink.

[demografx]

Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

I know very little about Candida, so I consider your post directly above this one (thank you) to be part of the forum's pro-con information flow.

[Counterpoints]

Skeptical article about Candida written by an M.D.

I am not posting this to discredit any posts about Candida. I just believe people should have as much information as possible, both pro and con, to help them make up their mind.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

So candida albicans exist, but doctors have misdiagnosed it so many times that it is not recognized by the medical community any more?

That's not my interpretation of the article.   If there are no clinical signs of a yeast infection, there does not seem to be any logical reason to suspect one.  Also, the science behind many of the "yeast" theories is non-existent or questionable.  The idea that yeast has grown into some special area of our body, and is feeding on hormones specifically secreted at orgasm, and when the yeast is fed it immediately releases toxins(?), which affect us in this way, seems pretty far-fetched. And all this without even normal clinical signs of a yeast infection. It's not a first-principles theory, it's a set of massive assumptions.  It doesn't mean it's not true, but the science does not seem good.  Perhaps I'm especially wary of "yeast" explanations, even in cases where it is a good explanation, because I know that many people mistakenly blame problems on yeast, because of sketchy publicity.

[demografx]

More on RELORA

I would recommend that anyone use caution with Relora, especially when on other medication.

Below is my (Demo's) re-post from last year, based on info from my pharmacology-attorney friend:

"Relora is a plant extract [from the herbs Phellodendron amurense and Magnolia officinalis].

Because the actual active ingredients are not discernible, there's no way to know what the interactions with other drugs might be. Therefore, I would recommend not taking it with Rx drugs,or with OTC drugs either.

This is what the manufacturer says: [Note the elevation in BP]

'side effects also include dizziness, trouble sleeping, and higher blood pressure.'  "

I (Demo) asked my endocrinologist if he saw any harm in my using Relora as an adjunct to my testosterone treatment:

"I think not. However, you may not know what is really in the herbal supplement since it is not regulated. Also remember, what may have an effect may also have a side effect."

[neilep]

Hi demo,

Just wanted to pop in and say well done for doing a grand job !

[demografx]

Hi demo,

Just wanted to pop in and say well done for doing a grand job !

NEIL!





<bowing in deference> How nice to see you! And how very nice of you to say that!

Thank you!

[demografx]

Relora: some user ratings and reviews (mostly positive)

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/drugs-treatments/rating/relora-magnolia-phellodendron

[demografx]

John, sorry if I missed it, but now that I have my endo's blessing to try it, when did you say you start/stop relora? Before? After? Always?

[John21 (OP)]

Demo,

John, sorry if I missed it, but now that I have my endo's blessing to try it, when did you say you start/stop relora? Before? After? Always?

So far: directly after, continuing it for another day or two.