[demografx]

[prop]

My 90%+ cure

Since starting testosterone therapy last year, I have been continually reporting a POIS cure per episode of 75% to 90%, sometimes 100%. After today, I think I have a better idea of why...when it's 90%+.

Why was today (first 24 hours, "Day Zero"), good? Mostly Day Zero is still a mini-POIS-nightmare for me, but not today:

1. Was within frequency limits. Find your limits, and don't exceed them. If you can "sense" your own sperm regeneration, stay away from sex when you feel "empty".

2. Doubled dose of stimulants (with psychiatrist's approval). Finally quit caffeine and dying for it. Too bad.

3. Increased testosterone (with endocrinologist's ok)

4. Sunshine. Lots of it.

5. Engaged with other people socially for several hours.

6. Took "risks". Played piano for a group of people.

I hope this helps. But keep in mind that this is what works for me. We're all different.

Success again today! (so far...it's noon) And I'm  having my POIS-carbs-pizza lunch, which also helps.

[GoingCrazy]

well, keep at it, see if it works every time!

sorry ,yeah i know, trying not to jump to conclusions

[THISFORUMROCKS!]

That's great to hear of some successes above and 6000 posts is quite a milestone for representing so much interest and contribution!

For my newest endeavor, I plan to try out the "Body Ecology Diet" in an attempt to crack POIS. Apparently this diet, which includes coconut water kefir and cultured vegetables among other things, is so amazing that it has most notably helped in recovery from autism!  [:0]

It is no quick fix but I'm thinking this diet could be good for my general health and potentially decrease POIS even if it does not cure it.  [] I wonder if beer is on the diet? I need to get the book and I will share any interesting updates on progress.

About the "Body Ecology Diet":

[Counterpoints]

has anybody else noticed a link between alcohol and POIS?

I quit drinking 16 years ago. I always had excessive reactions to alcohol: a hangover would last 3-4 days, like my POIS did, although the symptoms weren't exactly the same.

Yes.  It seems to affect some of my POIS symptoms.  Beer also seems worse than wine, in this sense.  But maybe this is related to my seeming (haven't tested yet) reactive hypoglycemia (which I think is quite related to POIS).

[Counterpoints]

devastated,

You may want to consider a pituitary MRI (with contrast enhancement).  Some of your symptoms match mine, and I was found to have a pituitary adenoma.  (All of?) Those here who have had pituitary MRIs with contrast (not CT) have also been found to have pituitary abnormalities.

This could be a key.

[Counterpoints]

I think the 'addiction' hypothesis is quite important.  I find pornography, etc., can affect and severely aggravate symptoms (to some extent while I watch it, but more, the symptoms that follow orgasm, if I have been watching pornography... I think it intensifies the neurochemical reaction caused by orgasm).

[demografx]

For my newest endeavor, I plan to try out the "Body Ecology Diet" in an attempt to crack POIS. Apparently this diet, which includes coconut water kefir and cultured vegetables among other things, is so amazing that it has most notably helped in recovery from autism!  [:0]

It is no quick fix but I'm thinking this diet could be good for my general health and potentially decrease POIS even if it does not cure it.  [] I wonder if beer is on the diet? I need to get the book and I will share any interesting updates on progress.

About the "Body Ecology Diet":

TFR, best wishes with Body Ecology Diet, looking forward to your report!

[demografx]

Counterpoints, welcome back!

[lauracostis]

I think the 'addiction' hypothesis is quite important.  I find pornography, etc., can affect and severely aggravate symptoms (to some extent while I watch it, but more, the symptoms that follow orgasm, if I have been watching pornography... I think it intensifies the neurochemical reaction caused by orgasm).

counterpoints i agree with you, before i found this forum my first experiment to  combat pois was stoping pornography, and then trying to go as long as i can with out having any o's.  the combonation of pornography/o's, multiplied the effect of pois greatly. 

[lauracostis]

has anybody else noticed a link between alcohol and POIS?

I quit drinking 16 years ago. I always had excessive reactions to alcohol: a hangover would last 3-4 days, like my POIS did, although the symptoms weren't exactly the same.

Yes.  It seems to affect some of my POIS symptoms.  Beer also seems worse than wine, in this sense.  But maybe this is related to my seeming (haven't tested yet) reactive hypoglycemia (which I think is quite related to POIS).

i read somwhere, mabee it was on this forum, that some people lack the ability to properly brake down prostaglandin or histamine.  it cause them to get a head ache while drinking, and causes them to have insomnia, and can give them very long hangovers.  taking tricyclic's like amytripiline can brake these compounds down.

[lauracostis]

i quit drinking anything a few years ago.  brewer's yeast tested positive as severe reactant when i took a food reactant test called the (ALCAT)

www.alcat.com

[lauracostis]

i quit drinking anything a few years ago.  brewer's yeast tested positive as severe reactant when i took a food reactant test called the (ALCAT)

www.alcat.com

The ALCAT Test identifies reactions to over 300 foods, chemicals and other substances associated with inflammation that are linked to chronic health problems like migraines, aching joints, fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, eczema, hyperactivity/ADD, asthma and even obesity


Allergic reactions to food, food intolerance (hypersensitivity), refined food, junk foods, food additives, and chemical contaminants in food can alter our moods and lead directly or indirectly to a constant state of low energy. People with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome frequently have sensitivities to foods, chemicals and other inhalants. These may be classical allergies – which are IgE (Immunoglobulin Type E)-mediated sensitivities or food intolerance (which is not IgE-mediated, so allergy tests, such as skin ***** tests, are negative) and chemical intolerance are especially common. Patients showing evidence of this often find that the management of these sensitivities can be an essential part of improvement or recovery from the illness.

[GoingCrazy]

I don't think this is auto-immune.  Now, directly after sex I get a very hyperactive feeling, like too much adrenaline is released into my system.  The headaches come after a few days.

[demografx]

As another POIS experiment today (sparked by the usual in-POIS carbs-craving) I drank a "ton" of orange juice throughout the day. That, plus doubling the Rx stimulant-dose(again, with psychiatric approval) as mentioned in the first post at the top of this page, shortened the time of POIS symptoms significantly.

I know this goes counter to some people who studiously avoid carbs. But we're all built differently and, I think, have different forms of POIS.

[GoingCrazy]

Dean, that might be a reason to why exercise helps, it burns adrenaline.  And sometimes after exercise, I might feel worse, that kind of relates to the adrenaline excretion sometimes during exercise, so it might be beneficial or not.  Right now the O's that I have I just get a really bad "rush" that doesn't go away.  Has anyone been tested for burnt out adrenals, and/or adrenaline over-secretion.  Adrenaline is secreted after sex.  This could explain the POIS rollercoaster we all have been on.  Hypoglycemia.  I was reading http://www.enotalone.com/article/4170.html , explains some phases of regenerating adrenal glands.  Maybe we just respond with a lot of adrenaline towards sex?  It would explain this high-low experience, brain fog, anxiety, headache.. I refuse to believe any auto-immune disease exists against my hormones, I think something is just really over-secreted a great deal.

[Counterpoints]

Drinking a lot of orange juice throughout the day would make me feel horrible. 

One thing I think nearly all of us have in common, is that the duration and intensity of POIS varies from orgasm to orgasm.  Some people talk about feeling great after one NE, and then this not being repeated.  After the results of the first NE, the reasoning is that NEs are better than other types of orgasm.  Then if this is not repeated, this reasoning is adjusted: maybe it was an NE in combination with something else?

Many of us are trying to figure out WHY one orgasm may have fewer effects than the other.  And sometimes it's easy to pin it on something we did specifically that day: and since we are all trying different things, we come to the conclusion that we are feeling better, or worse, for these very different reasons.  But perhaps we would be feeling better, or worse, regardless.

Many times I've thought I've had a treatment, to be dissapointed.  But here are some things I believe have consistently affected my POIS, and may generalize to some of us:

1) Frequency.  If I have waited a long time since the last ejaculation, it will make a difference.  I am not sure whether this means the result will be better or worse.  For example, if I just had an orgasm 5 minutes ago, and then I have another one, it will probably not make me feel as different, than if I had waited a few weeks.  I have found that my body copes with certain frequencies better than others.  Perhaps I was feeling best when my body regulated itself, through nocturnal emissions. (Although if I am feeling really bad, I still find a subsequent orgasm to often be helpful.  This may not be true for all here).

2) What happens (internally) during orgasm.  As I've mentioned, and others have also, sometimes an orgasm can actually alleviate symptoms, when not feeling well.  In a sense, MOST (but not all) of the symptoms of POIS, can be switched ON or OFF.  This is what I mean by ON/OFF:
- When I have POIS symptoms, these symptoms CAN vary in intensity and duration
- HOWEVER, the process of getting these symptoms, is very discrete, and the process of them leaving can seem very discrete (in most respects).
- For example, I can keep having orgasm until I know that a certain set of symptoms is relieved; once this happens, I know that further orgasm will quite likely be of no help. But sometimes there will still be residual symptoms that will get better (or worse and then better) over time... e.g. a sort of dazed/druggy feeling.
oms that will get better (or worse and then better) over time (e.g. a sort of dazed/druggy feeling).

(Aside: sometimes a particular orgasm will make me feel dizzy, thick-headed, disoriented, visual disturbances etc.  My symptoms are much much greater than normal, and in this case, can be usually (somewhat) corrected by a subsequent orgasm.)

3) Pornography.  For me, POIS is somewhat like an addiction.  At times there are intense cravings, which could in fact be seen as POIS symptoms.  Just looking at pornography is unlikely to put me in POIS (it is a very "ON/OFF" process), but viewing is likely to change my response to orgasm -- usually, for the worse.  It also seems to change the "cycle" of POIS (symptom duration, intensity, etc.).  This might explain why an NE cycle could be better; it is more driven by the body's needs, than your own choices (which could be driven by addiction).

4) Diet.  This is more peripheral.  I don't think having a bad diet, or a good diet, for one day, will make much of a difference to post-orgasm symptoms.  But a long term, healthy, balanced diet, for me (low on sugar!!!), seems to lessen the overall intensity of POIS.
 
5) Alcohol.  Perhaps mostly beer?  This seems to have a consistent effect of some sort.

Sorry if this is somewhat rambling... just a few thoughts.

Thanks for the welcome, Demografx! 

[demografx]

I think taking naps has been one of the most effective POIS-alleviators for me. Anyone else?

[Limejuice]

Naps definately help  Unfortunately I don't sleep well that night if I nap, so I don't nap.

Question - does anyone get a runny nose after eating?

I found out my mother and aunt do which are similar symptoms of POIS.  I'm interested in knowing if you do to.  Google research shows a runny nose after eating is common but the cause is not known, nor the solution.  Some speculate a mild allergy to all food.  Could we have an allergy to O'ing?

[Limejuice]

I agree with all of CP's points except subsequent O's. Each O digs me further underground.

[martin88]

I asked my endo how to improve my 75% POIS cure. He said to test Estradiol and other hormones.

As another POIS experiment today (sparked by the usual in-POIS carbs-craving) I drank a "ton" of orange juice throughout the day. That, plus doubling the Rx stimulant-dose(again, with psychiatric approval) as mentioned in the first post at the top of this page, shortened the time of POIS symptoms significantly.

I know this goes counter to some people who studiously avoid carbs. But we're all built differently and, I think, have different forms of POIS.

for the good effect with orange it can be naringenin in it (or vitamin c!).
This substance is a natural aromatase inhibitor which prevent the conversion of testosterone into estradiol(which is anti testosterone).

from wiki:
Naringenin is a flavonoid that is considered to have a bioactive effect on human health as antioxidant, free radical scavenger, anti-inflammatory, carbohydrate metabolism promoter, and immune system modulator. It is the predominant flavanone in grapefruit.[1]

Naringenin found in grapefruit juice has been shown to have an inhibitory effect on the human cytochrome P450 isoform CYP1A2

Sources and bioavailability:
Grapefruit, Oranges, and Tomato (skin).


Also I heard that grapefruit juice is prohibited to avoid overdosing with some prescriptions drugs including some antidepressants. (this is very serious!). Not sure if naringenin is involved :
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1873672

Maybe aromatase inhibitors can help us with POIS:
-chrysin (passiflora)
-naringenin(grapefruit)
-resveratrol(grape)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resveratrol
Resveratrol also significantly increases natural testosterone production from being both a selective estrogen receptor modulator[73][74] and an aromatase inhibitor.[75][76]