[CertainlyPOIS]

Have someone noticed a strange sensation when laughing a lot during Pois days ?
If someone have ideas about synthesis of endorphins or "how to avoid his depletion", telle me how
Endorphins can be stimulated by eating chilli pepper,exercising - runners high, accupunture. 

when i exercise i get a high but cognition/memory does not leave.

[CertainlyPOIS]

An open post to hurray, EDS, and Defsync

The three of you magnanimously pledged some financial support to studying POIS. Many thanks again, that was an incredibly wonderful gesture on your part!

By pledging, you have done enormous good to the cause of curing POIS, giving us all renewed hope and confidence that we're on the right track.

Just wondering lately, since the outside world of research is slow in rushing to our aid (we've been at this forum for 3 years now), how would you three feel about starting "somwhere". Anywhere. But Now! Using our own considerable resources?

A few of us here think that a state-of-the-art SCAN of the brain, such as an fMRI, before, during and after orgasm, could reveal plenty.

This advanced scanning (not generally available publicly) could give us deeper insight into the hormonal/neurotransmitter/brain-function data that we seem to be "just around the corner" from finding. I would be glad to be "team captain" with doctors, labs, etc., but not a good subject because of my testosterone/stimulant POIS treatment regimen.

I posted this here, publicly, because the more input (from you as well as everyone else here at the forum) the better!

What do you think?   

I am down for these it is time we take this problem to the next stage. But i will love to have a plan and know who the money is going to within the group. It will be nice if we can add blood testing to the brain scan. 
I dont know how much i can give yet, but i shall be.

[demografx]

An open post to hurray, EDS, and Defsync

POIS Forum Research Study

I am down for these it is time we take this problem to the next stage. But i will love to have a plan and know who the money is going to within the group. It will be nice if we can add blood testing to the brain scan. 

I dont know how much i can give yet, but i shall be.

Thanks, CC!

I've been thinking about this some more and wonder if a good starting point might be to ask the current donor group (CDG), hurray, EDS, Defsync, and possibly Limejuice and CCconfucius to also be the first POIS-study volunteers.

The CDG would simply pay out-of-pocket costs directly to the lab/medical facility.

That should eliminate any concerns of "where's the money going" and it would also relieve me or anyone else of the burden of playing POIS Research Study "banker".

To be more conservative, we could also just start with one study volunteer to see if his lab results prove meaningful. In that case, the finances get a little trickier in that the other CDG's plus the first study volunteer would split the first bill. We could start a "dba" like "POIS Research Group" (PRG), and the CDG's could make an initial deposit into the PRG bank account, just enough to cover the first study volunteer's costs.

If this makes sense to any of you, let's start with finding a lab and/or physician willing to cooperate and see what the costs are. I can help do that if any/all of the CDG (or any new volunteer!)sends me a Private Message with the name of the city closest to him.

Once I receive that, I'll make calls, email contact, etc. A relative is a top medical facility radiologist, I will also try to enlist his help, and then report back to the group with specific ideas, procedures, and costs. I won't reveal the volunteer's city name in a public post here without permission from the volunteer. And, if preferred for confidentiality, the communication initially can be kept private within the CDG, with approved summaries reported to the forum.

CC, of course blood testing can be added. There's nothing "etched in stone" here.

Anyone:       Thoughts? Questions? Comments?





Some links on (f)MRI Of The Brain
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?PG=fmribrain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_magnetic_resonance_imaging
http://www.psc.edu/science/goddard.html

2003 Study on Ejaculation And The Brain
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/23/27/9185?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=ejaculation&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

My thanks to Counterpoints for alerting me to some of the research possibilities in using fMRI to study POIS

[POIS-SUFFERER]

any body ever take acutane?

I think this has been asked before.... but the answer here is yes, lots of it for ACNE 26 years ago.

PS.

[GoingCrazy]

I haven't taken accutane

[hurray]

Sounds like a good plan Demo! Has anybody else had an fMRI scan on this forum? Could it provide the answers to the questions we have been asking for the last 3 years?

[demografx]

Sounds like a good plan Demo! Has anybody else had an fMRI scan on this forum? Could it provide the answers to the questions we have been asking for the last 3 years?

Thanks, hurray!!

No one here has had an fMRI as far as I know. I had a plain MRI of the brain/pituitary.

Yes, providing answers to the last 3 years' burning questions (10, 20, 30 years for some of us!) - that's my fervent hope, hurray!

[martin88]

I'll give money for research and participate to do some tests, count me in Demo

Chinese medicine:
Anyone tried the suggestions for POIS mentionned here ?
Your kidney energy is deficient, and your liver qi is stuck.
http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=3631

I didn't know semen retention is causing liver stagnation .
Semen retention is when you're sexually aroused but you don't have ejaculation.
http://precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/HLDangerMain.htm
http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/MsgDistal.htm
http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/IS2TendonChanging.htm#HinduSquats

[Z_one]

Could POIS simply be a severe symptom of Adrenal exhaustion or adrenal disease rather than being a disease itself?

Some causes of adrenal disorders are Cushing's syndrome, hypothalamic disorders, pituitary gland disorders, pheochromocytoma and benign and cancerous adrenal tumours.


The reason why Iam thinking of that is because sexual exhaustion and adrenal fatigue are suppose to be very much interrelated ...and with very common symptoms....

Also last month I totally abstained  for 3 weeks in a row...after which I noticed that POIS was 90% cured after the first time....When my sexual activity resumed and increased in frequency ( Four times and above within the fourth week)...POIS was back....I guess it was an false early Hurray....but apparently with a pause, my overall body & metabolism have dramaticaly improved....

By the way, I had done a complete blood test including Hormonal & Immune system check three weeks ago,,,both my Endo & Generalist doctors think that all test are normal,,,,which only makes me shift again my focus to the adrenal fatigue theory,,,since apparently unless adrenal fatigue is severe..it is hard to detect with routine tests....

On the other hand, I am also considering a hypothalamus/pituitary gland disorder which only gets manifested during release of sexual hormones....I am still inquiring & researching with regard to that,,,,


B_Jim sorry for not replying to ur PM earlier...I was inactive for a while...as to answer u..my symptoms are similar to everybody else but without the flu symptoms ( I thankfully never got those). Therefore I beleive those who have flu symptoms are more or less dealing with an auto-immune disorder such as Addison disease or others...

My symptoms are mainly:

1- Excessive fatigue (Impossible to wake up early the next day!)
2- Fast heart palpitations
3- Weight & muscle loss
4- Eating disorder/ Cravings.
5- Brain fog
6- All senses get confused.
7- Low blood pressure.
8- Anti-social mood.

If I would to put a title I would choose: " The 72hrs body crash!"

Hope this helps.....Also with regard to Black seed oil or Nigella Sativa..it personally helps me alot....it is a general tonic and cure all for the body and works well with Ginseng and Tribulus....

In addition, at a certain stage , Maca worked like magic for me,,,somehow after 2 weeks of use it appears to have completely lost its effectiveness...like a reverse effect or something from overuse....

Tribulus & Ginseng has proven the most effective for me, while Fenugreek, Zinc & Garlic were useless....

I still have not tried Relora nor Rhodiola.....ordered them from the US.

Hope this helps....



Peace.

[GoingCrazy]

I think it would be possible that maybe one of us could somehow get onto a talk-show such as Dr. Oz or something where they can help us figure out whats happening

[demografx]

Could POIS simply be a severe symptom of Adrenal exhaustion or adrenal disease rather than being a disease itself?

Z_one, we've had quite a few discussions about it. Here are some previous forum posts:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=adrenal+fatigue+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[demografx]

I'll give money for research and participate to do some tests, count me in Demo

Thanks, Martin! We now have 6 possible participants in the current donor group.

[GoingCrazy]

More on fungal infection...:  http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=601079

He had sex headaches and cured them with nystatin, maybe it is related to pois?

[demografx]

I think it would be possible that maybe one of us could somehow get onto a talk-show such as Dr. Oz or something where they can help us figure out whats happening

Oprah's reaction to "goingcrazy"'s story! []

[demografx]

GC, kidding aside, we've discussed that before. If someone volunteers to discuss POIS on international TV, I'll write a letter to Oprah, Dr. Oz, or whoever.

[demografx]

POIS DIARY

Well, I'm not at a 100% cure. Sometimes (usually) I am close to 100%, but not always. It takes me by surprise because I don't know "why". But even at their worst, POIS episodes today last, at the most, 1 day and not 4.

I sincerely wish this progress for everyone.

Anyway, I'm not discouraged. Just wanted to report.

[Defsync]

I think it would be possible that maybe one of us could somehow get onto a talk-show such as Dr. Oz or something where they can help us figure out whats happening

ive emailed oprah and ellen a couple times already, with no such luck

[lauracostis]

any body ever take acutane?

i just threw that acutane thing out there because i took it when i was young.

I think this has been asked before.... but the answer here is yes, lots of it for ACNE 26 years ago.

PS.

[Defsync]

An open post to hurray, EDS, and Defsync

The three of you magnanimously pledged some financial support to studying POIS. Many thanks again, that was an incredibly wonderful gesture on your part!

By pledging, you have done enormous good to the cause of curing POIS, giving us all renewed hope and confidence that we're on the right track.

Just wondering lately, since the outside world of research is slow in rushing to our aid (we've been at this forum for 3 years now), how would you three feel about starting "somewhere". Anywhere. But Now! Using our own considerable resources?

A few of us here think that a state-of-the-art SCAN of the brain, such as an fMRI, before, during and after orgasm, could reveal plenty.

This advanced scanning (not generally available publicly) could give us deeper insight into the hormonal/neurotransmitter/brain-function data that we seem to be "just around the corner" from finding. I would be glad to be "team captain" with doctors, labs, etc., but not a good subject because of my testosterone/stimulant POIS treatment regimen.

I posted this here, publicly, because the more input (from you as well as everyone else here at the forum) the better!

What do you think?   

Judging from what I've seen around the interwebs on fMRI's of brains during orgasm, I'm not sure how well a tool it would be for zeroing in on POIS related structures/causes. I say this because it seems there are very different results from fMRI's of different "normal" people's orgasms, and it appears that doctor's aren't exactly sure yet why that is yet. I may also be biased since my doctor ordered a $18,000 MRI and EKG for my POIS and it showed nothing abnormal. Granted an fMRI shows bloodflow and oxygen level changes within structures of the brain, without a fram of reference or a "what exactly are we looking for" I'm not sure how this might work. I guess if someone did have a pretty good reason, and they were insured, convince their doctor to obtain one of these through insurance just like some of us have with regular MRIs?

[lauracostis]

I think it would be possible that maybe one of us could somehow get onto a talk-show such as Dr. Oz or something where they can help us figure out whats happening

ive emailed oprah and ellen a couple times already, with no such luck

to get on Oprah we need to come up with some horror stories about our lives that read like a Greek tragedy, people love to hear about others who have worse problems then they do. pois sounds like the perfect subject for an Oprah/Dr. oz special.