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I understand.I'm reluctant to push to try T for one reason - I don't want to jeopardize my natural production of T. If supplemented T is not the answer to POIS for me, and in testing this disrupted the natural levels for the rest of my life, I would be....upset.With only you, Demo, cured that risk is too high for me. If most the forum was cured with T that's a different story.
Quote from: Limejuice on 12/11/2009 22:12:29I understand.I'm reluctant to push to try T for one reason - I don't want to jeopardize my natural production of T. If supplemented T is not the answer to POIS for me, and in testing this disrupted the natural levels for the rest of my life, I would be....upset.With only you, Demo, cured that risk is too high for me. If most the forum was cured with T that's a different story.Make that two of us now! I can safely say that T treatments (5 mg patches) are helping me. I will estimate 60% because it seems to have shortened my recovery time to about half and the time I'm in POIS is less severe. As I stated almost three months ago that I would be happy to see a 5% or 10% improvement - I am seeing far better than that!I went from 3-4 days of full blown POIS to a day or two. What is strange is that my 1st day, before T treatment, wasn't too bad; now it is my worst day, but day two is much better; which WAS my worst day. So it seems to have accelerated the time for POIS to "kick-in" and also go away. The whole nightmarish process has been moved up by a couple of days.What does this mean? Is it just the addition of T that is causing improvement? Or is the additional T affecting some other function that speeds up the time to reach full POIS symptoms and recovery?I don't know what is happening, of course, but I'm sure glad it is!!!!! After over 30 years of this plague, this is the first time I have tried anything that helped!! Thanks Demo!! POIS is getting cross wired... interupted... or something because it is definitely different than it has ever been after "O" for me.Thanks to everyone involved in this forum! If we keep it up, I know we'll beat this thing!!
I am hopeful this latest treatment gives relief to me and all my fellow sufferers who read this. Hopefully i will have good things to report shortly!
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have. He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches. I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it. He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction. I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference. I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever. I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is. He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.
Z_one, the outreach letter I PM'd you includes an attachment of Dr Waldinger's POIS study. If you want it, The only way I can send you the PDF is via your regular email address, which you can PM to me. If you do, please use "AT" instead of "@", this system intermittently rejects "@". Thanks again!
Quote from: demografx on 19/11/2009 20:08:11Can anyone explain the difference between endorphins and dopamine? They're both internally generated "feel good" chemicals and almost seem to be the same as I've heard them described. Endorphins are natural part of the family of opiates such as heroin and morphine.Look : http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_03/i_03_m/i_03_m_par/i_03_m_par_heroine.html#drogues(thanks Martin for link)The basic theory is : -more endorphins/opiates inhibits Gaba release. - less Gaba means less downregulation of dopamine.- So there is more dopamine secreted.The point I don't understand is how can opiates have anti-anxety and analgesic effect if they cause a reduction of Gaba. [] Can someone explain ?---After, we can expect :- a dopamine/catecholamine depletion- the opiate withdrawal syndrome .
Can anyone explain the difference between endorphins and dopamine? They're both internally generated "feel good" chemicals and almost seem to be the same as I've heard them described.
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have. He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches. I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it. He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction. I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference. I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever. I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is. He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.I really want you guys to try this, just really quick, breathe about 30 times as deep as you can and as fast as you can and tell me if you experience a weird feeling, but feel better afterwards, I think doing this tends to increase blood flow and open up blood vessels.
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Quote from: Z_one on 20/11/2009 19:51:06Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show!Z_one, yes, I heard that Oprah quit because she knew that we were about to contact her! []"Oh no, it's the Guys From POIS!"
Just got back from my Dr's appt. My Dr agreed with Dr in's theory about what happens to our body at O, because it IS what happens at O.He did not think much of the products Dr Lin sells.He did not RX SSRI's to me. He said they were not the answer and would probably have a negative effect for pois.He felt the main culprit here is low dopamine level.He said that is the main transmitter and responsible for the good feelings we get from O. If enough isnt present, the response will be bad and exhausting.His treatment is 3 herbal suppliments that are precursers to dopamine and seratonin. 1] 5HTP[for seratonin], 2] Mucuna[for dopamine] 3] a product high in selenium. He said he treats Parkins patients much in the same way, with good success getting rid of their tremors.He says all 3 will increase my dopamine level. He said that the main neurotransmitter after O, which gives us a good feeling after O is dopamine.He explained that if we are low in dopamine, the bodys response to O is negative. Over time,,If we abstain, the bodys dopamine level slowly rises into the normal range, only to be depleted after the next time in the bedroom.He felt the main cause, for me anyway, was a dopamine deficiency, and also low seratonin.