[CertainlyPOIS]

congratulation z one on your success.   
I have question about your regime.

what do  you mean by you used the products separately. Also what brand did you use and how much you used in a day.

[prism]

thats great z one,
Although Im always trying and taking Holland and Barratts-type natural herbs, they never have any effect on me. Now i guess you'll be hoping that you experience 0 days of pois instead of 1, that i might bring/require a large physical/muscular and psychological change.
good luck

[CertainlyPOIS]

I was just wondering what you guys know of symbrax, psychiatrist told me to try that. I am only going to try just to prove it dont work. HOpefully it reduces nocturnal emission.

[Pantaloon]

I've been mulling over a theory for what I think might cause pois and a suggestion for a possible solution (see next post)

I suggest that the symptoms that people experience with pois are caused by an imbalance between the sympathetic and para-sympathetic parts of the autonomic nervous system - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system [nofollow].

The sympathetic nervous system is the 'fight or flight' response.
Among its many effects:-
 - stimulates orgasm.
 - directs blood away from the gastro-intestinal tract and skin
 - increases blood flow to lungs and muscles
 - causes pupils to dilate
 - stimulates sweat glands


The parasympathetic nervous system on the other hand is the 'rest and digest' response.
Among its effects are:-
 - it is involved in erection (but not orgasm!!)
 - transfers energy resources to the gut for digestion
 - diminishes the need for oxygen
 - mediates digestion of food and indirectly, the absorption of nutrients.

Normally, the two sides work against each other harmoniously.
I think that pois may be explained by the parasympathetic nervous system not kicking in as it should.

Here's some symptoms/ other things related to pois (either that I suffer or I've read about here)
 that I think may be attributed to this:-

- PE
- tiredness - fight or flight mode for too long.
- lack of emotion - clearly an unnecessary luxury in this state. 
- Fuzzy brain - blood directed to muscles
- bodily warmth - blood directed to muscles
- Dry eyes (constantly dilated for period of time)
- Poor digestion (including desiring easily digestible carbohydrates) following orgasm.
- Skin symptoms - blood directed away from skin.
- Generalized anxiety - not good to be in the fligh or flight mode for long.
- inability to 'come down' after exercise
- blood sugar imbalances

On a personal experience not, this description of what might me going on makes a lot of sense - I just can't get out of the heightened state and back to a normal relaxed state following orgasm.

Well, that's a broad outline of the theory. Any comments?

One more thing, slightly tongue in cheek. For a scientific theory to be valid, it must have predictive power. One of the bodily functions that is triggered by the sympathetic nervous system is secretion from the sebaceous glands. So, I'd guess that maybe pois sufferers tend to have slightly oily noses/a propensity to blocked pores. Any takers? []

 

[Pantaloon]

The potential solution hinted at in my previous post is Autogenic Training - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogenic_training [nofollow].
Autogenic Training (AT) is a way of teaching yourself to control parts of your autonomic nervous system.

The idea being that by performing the exercises you restore a balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic parts of the autonomic nervous system.

The good news is that's it's potentially free (maybe the cost of a book or possibly even a training course).
The better news is it does't involve drugs.
The bad news is it takes quite a lot of time and even more discipline to learn the technique.

A quick look around the internet suggests that it's offered by a number of dubious sources as a kind of guided meditation/hypnotherapy/new age short cut - 'just listen to the tape and the world is yours' kind of thing.

However, I think this is not the road to go down.
If done properly, it's a serious theraputic tool a lot of sound research behind it.

Right now, I'm feeling quite motivated about this so I'm gonna give it a go.
Obviously I'll report back to the forum.

I'd be really interested in hearing from anybody else on the forum that
might have tried AT either for POIS or any other problems.

[Z_one]

congratulation z one on your success.   
I have question about your regime.

what do  you mean by you used the products separately. Also what brand did you use and how much you used in a day.

Thank you CConfusion.

To answer your question :

What i mean by separately is : Do not take them together!
 
As to my diet I take :

2 pills of Rhodiola first thing in the morning on empty stomach , 2hrs before breakfast (DO NOT TAKE IT WITH FOOD!)

2 pills of Sasparilla afternoon 2 hours after lunch.

2 pills pf Damiana 3 hrs before sleeping (WITHOUT FOOD!)

One large spoon of black cumin oil prior to each meal.

Brandnames : ALL GNC!

Black cumin oil (Nigella sativa) can be bought from middle eastern grocery stores or through the internet....  

P:S Now it is possible that one herb out of the four might be doing the whole job by itself... But more trial and error is needed to confirm.... Since combination & synergy is the most logical response so far.....again combining MAIOs with certain types of food that contain Tyramine might be dangerous and even fatal! So plz be careful if want to try!

Hope this helps...

[Z_one]

I was just wondering what you guys know of symbrax, psychiatrist told me to try that. I am only going to try just to prove it dont work. HOpefully it reduces nocturnal emission.

Just a thought....

Nocturnal emissions are suppose to be a natural way for your body to get rid of extra accumulated semen and if kept for too long will harm your body through constant arousal and therefore floating sexual hormones ....Actually I never use to be in POIS after nocturnal but well on the contrary used to feel like a horse the next day.....Only masturbation used to cause me POIS.,,,,Being in POIS after a nocturnal emission is far from normal....and that's purely my opinion of course....

[Limejuice]

Z_one,

How long did you follow this plan before you noticed results?  How long have you experiemented with these supplements?

Thanks in advance.

[prism]

The potential solution hinted at in my previous post is Autogenic Training - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogenic_training.
Autogenic Training (AT) is a way of teaching yourself to control parts of your autonomic nervous system.

I'd be really interested in hearing from anybody else on the forum that
might have tried AT either for POIS or any other problems.

I have recently been talking about the brilliant Alexander Technique which I abbrievated to A.T which might get confusing for people if another AT comes into discussion (although you may have been first to it! heehee).

Ironically, Alexander Technique is a technique which gets you conscious control of your nervous system, full muscular release. I personally couldnt imagine a better technique to do that than Alexander but i everyone's got their own views and things they prefer.
I say always keep interested in that avenue. (read my all 10 posts starting on page 265 to see if you relate to what i say about my experiences?)

POIS is caused by 'inhibition'(/or lack of control over 'inhibition') during an orgasm.
But yes, 'flight' instead of 'fight' is absolutely crucial.

Sigmund Freud's protege Wilhelm Reich wrote about inhibition in
'The Function of The Orgasm' and it is the key feature of the Alexander Technique.
If you're interested in finding out what inhibition means and how to control it, alexander technique is for you, takes time though, try different teachers.
 
An expert in Alexander Technique doesnt suffer from POIS,
because the two cant co-exist.

[martin88]

Thanks to the newcomers for their wonderful posts , orgasm without ejaculation, sperm reabsorption is an interesting fact , Alexander Technique, Nigella oil, new case cured with T.

Also I can confirm magnesium was very helpful for POIS and for PE when I was younger, but now I really don't feel ok after I take it (renal pb, low phosphorus, low B6, ... I can't explain why.) . The reason why it could be effective is eventually because it's necessary for the conversion of dopamine to noradrenaline (sympathetic nervous system).

If I speak for myself aphrodisiacs (I'm referring to damiana and sarsaparilla, I tried them a long time ago) are a temporary cure, eventually aggravating POIS after a while. I would like to be informed if the cure is permanent so I can try again more intensively and with other brand.

B_Jim it's the same for me, sport before orgasm aggravates POIS. Low T or low endorphins after exercise, or both.. (?)

[Defsync]

it has occurred to me that any correspondence i have sent out to local health organizations concerning POIS have probably been ignored due to the fact im sending them from a HOTMAIL or GMAIL account. is there any legitimate way to get a .EDU email address without having to pay for it?

[CertainlyPOIS]

it has occurred to me that any correspondence i have sent out to local health organizations concerning POIS have probably been ignored due to the fact im sending them from a HOTMAIL or GMAIL account. is there any legitimate way to get a .EDU email address without having to pay for it?

You can try going through someone you know that is in college.  I will suggest my self but i am taking a break for right now.

[CertainlyPOIS]

I was just wondering what you guys know of symbrax, psychiatrist told me to try that. I am only going to try just to prove it dont work. HOpefully it reduces nocturnal emission.

i have nothing against nocturnal emissions but it always occurs about a day right after i recover, so basically am always in pois, and am just getting sick of that.

Just a thought....

Nocturnal emissions are suppose to be a natural way for your body to get rid of extra accumulated semen and if kept for too long will harm your body through constant arousal and therefore floating sexual hormones ....Actually I never use to be in POIS after nocturnal but well on the contrary used to feel like a horse the next day.....Only masturbation used to cause me POIS.,,,,Being in POIS after a nocturnal emission is far from normal....and that's purely my opinion of course....

[CertainlyPOIS]

on using vitamins and stuff you guys ever consider wholefood forms of multavitamins it supposed to be better for body since it is form it is used to.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

One more thing, slightly tongue in cheek. For a scientific theory to be valid, it must have predictive power. One of the bodily functions that is triggered by the sympathetic nervous system is secretion from the sebaceous glands. So, I'd guess that maybe pois sufferers tend to have slightly oily noses/a propensity to blocked pores. Any takers? []

Well interesting, I have always had zits (I am 44 now! with acne) my nose is crazy oily..... I am always congested, and my mouth is dry and I am not thirsty.......

PS.
 

[CertainlyPOIS]

No to sidetrack. But what do you guys think of checking up on some of the people who are no moe posting inorder to make sure no body has gotten stressed to the limit  by this problem

[Defsync]

okay Defsync coming at you with another theory:

First Im basing this off of my experiences with Adderall and cigarettes, both which increase Norepinephrine in the brain. Both of these seem to give me an undesirable pseudo-POIS effect, hence why I dont do either.

So, orgasm increases blood plasma levels of norepinephrine (see link to article). What if POIS sufferers are those you already have WAY too much norepinephrine in them already, and something like an orgasm sends their body into severe overload, taking the body days to bring the levels back DOWN.

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/full/61/3/290

Problem is finding a prescription that does nothing but lower epinephrine levels without zonking you out.

[Z_one]

Z_one,

How long did you follow this plan before you noticed results?  How long have you experiemented with these supplements?

Thanks in advance.

Tried it twice so far.....since it is still at its infant stage...more trial and error is definitely needed....

Thx.

[JJGuy]

Hi i am new here , just found this forum yesterday and glad to read up on alot of your findings and trials with finding what has help some of you with POIS

this is my story,

I have never had an issue close to this, I am a personal fitness trainer and body builder, i have been very sexually active in my life, i could have sex 3 to 4 times a day without issues, just the usual tired and relaxed feeling but fresh the next day

at the age of 38 i became to feel ill with something that i could not figure out, and searched for a diagnose for 2 years, my sex life was still decent a bit less active and tired feeling after orgasm but nothing i couldnt handle, so at 40 i was diagnosed with "Lyme Disease", where i got it from was unknown, well Lyme is usually caught from a bite of an infected tick, mostly deer ticks, i began to treat with antibiotics, at 41 still treating Lyme i developed POIS , I would get increased symptoms of Lyme , Lyme symptoms are similar to CFS ones, so I was already fatigued from having Lyme but after an orgasm it would incraese symptoms dramatically at times, from increased headaches, sore glands in my throat, vision promblems, memory, brain fog, fatigue,muscle and joint aches,etc. but i still went on with my day that help make my symptoms a bit more tolerable, 2nd day seemed to be worse but with having Lyme and POIS i still went to work and carried out the whole day , if I just slept in it would make me more depressed and my symptoms would worsen, this went on anywhere from 2 days of recovery time to 3 weeks it varied for me, what has helped me a bit in the past is testoserone, I cant get precsiption for it at the moment but would definetly go back on it, it increased my strength,moods, and a sense of well being and helped out with POIS, but was not a cure, so sufferring from an Autoimmune disease seemed to trigger this for me and might have something to do with POIS

I spoke with my LLMD ( Lyme Literate Medical Doctor) yesterday, as she is aware of my issue POIS and has been searching for an answer and solution for me in this matter for about 1 yr now,she wrote to me about a new found discovery that could be helpful to us, I am not able to post this new findings as yet, as it is confidential information , a paper is being published soon and i will be able to share it with all of you,new discovery has been isolated from tissues of prostate cancer patients with impaired RNase L activity  and that is found in many of CFS patients, so if it is a postive discovery or not is yet to be seen and tested, tests are still not good that are producing alot false negatives she stated

i have a question in regards to testoserone that my doctor asked me to post to all of you that could be of help on some information on this matter below and get back to her on it
-What happens to testosterone levels before, during and after ejaculation?

Thanks John

[Pantaloon]

One more thing, slightly tongue in cheek. For a scientific theory to be valid, it must have predictive power. One of the bodily functions that is triggered by the sympathetic nervous system is secretion from the sebaceous glands. So, I'd guess that maybe pois sufferers tend to have slightly oily noses/a propensity to blocked pores. Any takers? []

Well interesting, I have always had zits (I am 44 now! with acne) my nose is crazy oily..... I am always congested, and my mouth is dry and I am not thirsty.......

PS.
 

Hi PS

A dry mouth is definitely a sympathetic (fight or flight) symptom. Who needs saliva when being chased by a lion?
I guess the interesting question is whether the nose gets worse in POIS?
I have a similar symptom and I'd say it probably does, but then I'm looking for evidence to back up my theory:-)

Anyway, why not give the Autogenic Training a try? It's not a controlled trial if there's just one person!

I've been doing it for about a week now and feel great. Whilst I'm wise enough to know this may be largely, possibly even wholly the placebo effect, I'm still hopeful.  I'm also steering clear of orgasm at the moment so as not to hamper the training and this clearly has an effect.

Regards

Pantaloon