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Hi Mellivora,I used to get into the same situations with my work too because of POIS. I think although you can't really say that you're having POIS because it isn't a name people know, you should definitely treat it as a temporary illness, and you will find that people are usually quite willing to cut you some slack. I mean, I didn't tell people about the details of my problem- but I would say food poisoning, stomach problems, back problems, etc. I know it's lying a bit, but perhaps there is an acceptable related illness which people can understand which you could claim. It is better than going on as if nothing was wrong. Good luck to you, and I feel your dilemma. Good luck this week. Things will get better. I think I ended up telling my employer that I had a chronic hormonal problem that led to fatigue and weakness periodically.
Limejuice have you had a sperm count, before and after your treatment? Many thanks
Quote from: daveman on 07/06/2010 14:42:38Something very interesting happened last night!It's a little graphic so excuse me but must have some relevance.Remember that I said that I was feeling worse in the evening, so I went to bed early (21:30).I woke up at about midnight and felt like crap! I was even wondering if I should go to the hospital. Mainly flu-like symptoms. Hot flushes (but without temperature, body aches and nausia).I have a bedroom separate from the main part of the house, a sort of spanish/colonial design, somewhat typical of Chile. So often we have "potties" so as not to have to make the trek all the way to the house.I decided to pee.... Strangly about 30 minutes later I felt almost "great".The strange part is that in the morning when I went to dump the "pottie", it was milky! This has happened once before and precisely in day 0/1. The next "pee" was perfectly clear and normal. And normally it is so. Only twice, I've seen this and in the night of day 1. I am imagining that it is maybe sperm backed up. But this was the night of day 1, I had gone to the bathroom several times during the day since the "O". If it's some kind of infection, it is only present in day 1 of POIS, and is only seen in the one evacuation.What do you think?Somehow I don't think any doctor would be able to help with the problem even if I took them a sample of the urine unless I had a clear specification of what o test......P.S. I haven't checked during the day from "O" till the night of day 1, remembering that I usually only "O" in the night of day 0 to sleep it of. I have checked after the one cloudy sample and always clear. I should check each one after "O" until the night of day 1.Anyone seen this? Can anyone else use a pottie to check for cloudiness day 0, day 1? Being that it's not a normal ting to do.... 1 of 3 things it most likely is:1) u released man-fluid at some point, but only enuf that it remained in your urethra and when u went pee, it was ejected as well2) you O'ed somewhat in your sleep, contracted your PB muscle, and man-fluid was sent into the bladder. yes, this is what happens when you use yer PB to stop an O, i forgot to mention that. then you went pee, and it was ejected form your bladder.3) sometimes your kidneys cleanse themselves of the same urinary minerals that form kidney stones, only it is ejected when you pee as a milky white substance. this is normal, and shows you are less likely to get a kidney stone in teh near future.
Something very interesting happened last night!It's a little graphic so excuse me but must have some relevance.Remember that I said that I was feeling worse in the evening, so I went to bed early (21:30).I woke up at about midnight and felt like crap! I was even wondering if I should go to the hospital. Mainly flu-like symptoms. Hot flushes (but without temperature, body aches and nausia).I have a bedroom separate from the main part of the house, a sort of spanish/colonial design, somewhat typical of Chile. So often we have "potties" so as not to have to make the trek all the way to the house.I decided to pee.... Strangly about 30 minutes later I felt almost "great".The strange part is that in the morning when I went to dump the "pottie", it was milky! This has happened once before and precisely in day 0/1. The next "pee" was perfectly clear and normal. And normally it is so. Only twice, I've seen this and in the night of day 1. I am imagining that it is maybe sperm backed up. But this was the night of day 1, I had gone to the bathroom several times during the day since the "O". If it's some kind of infection, it is only present in day 1 of POIS, and is only seen in the one evacuation.What do you think?Somehow I don't think any doctor would be able to help with the problem even if I took them a sample of the urine unless I had a clear specification of what o test......P.S. I haven't checked during the day from "O" till the night of day 1, remembering that I usually only "O" in the night of day 0 to sleep it of. I have checked after the one cloudy sample and always clear. I should check each one after "O" until the night of day 1.Anyone seen this? Can anyone else use a pottie to check for cloudiness day 0, day 1? Being that it's not a normal ting to do....
the milky pee is from sperm going retrograde(backwards) into your bladder, it takes quite a while for the sperm to be broken up in the bladder so they dont come back out when you pee for quite a while after wards.
Quote from: daveman on 04/06/2010 23:32:37Which hormones did you ask for, or which ones is he going to test?Hi DavemanI gave him a list I made from the forum Total+Free/Bio Testosterone; LH+FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) (Luteinizing Hormone)Estradiol (E2); SHBG SEX HORMONE GLOBULIN BINDING; Prolactin; DHEA; Cortisol; IGF-1; Progetesterone; DHT; TSH Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone, Free T3, Free T4, Reverse T3;HGH human growth hormone; PSA and CRPI dont know which ones he will choose.
Which hormones did you ask for, or which ones is he going to test?
Quote from: lauracostis on 08/06/2010 06:22:00the milky pee is from sperm going retrograde(backwards) into your bladder, it takes quite a while for the sperm to be broken up in the bladder so they dint come back out when you pee for quite a while after wards.And it's interesting that from about 1/2 hour since the milky pee, my POIS went from severe to practically none, and it's been that way since. I'm starting day 3 now.This has only happened twice. Other times, I have apparently avoided the retrograde, in which case the symptoms are very light. And other times, I have what seems to be a std. POIS of about 5 days, medium, and no evidence of milky pee. Perhaps in that case it's distributed over the 5 days so it's not all that visible. Up until now I have only checked (the pee) in the morning because that's when I "dump it", but I'm going to do regular checks during the POIS periods.My feeling was, that the sperm retrograde, whether it be held in the bladder or somewhere else in the system (like the bloodstream), was finally attacked (tagged) and filtered out by the liver.In any case, how similar would this case be to the majority? Is there anything of use in this case. Is it a similar mechanism or just one of the many that cause the same or similar symptoms?
the milky pee is from sperm going retrograde(backwards) into your bladder, it takes quite a while for the sperm to be broken up in the bladder so they dint come back out when you pee for quite a while after wards.
Quote from: -GC- on 05/06/2010 17:17:54I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation. I was at a party last night... kind of funny... one of the main topics, masturbation. It felt weird talking about it, it really is a universal thing. Some friends talking about how they have been doing it a few times a day over the past 10 years. One of my problems with POIS is the guilt associated with it. I'd just like everybody to know once again that it is not some code or law that is being broken with masturbation, it is just how our bodies react to it. I, usually, along with the cognitive experiences I feel during POIS, put myself down a lot, as if I'm the only one in the world that does it. The one thing we should tell ourselves if we fall victim to this guilt is that EVERYONE does it, it's just how our bodies currently react to sex.These days may be hard to imagine but there was a time when sex wasn't the theme everywhere you turn, making it easier to keep temptation at bay. I have been chaste for some time now and do so by avoiding images that would excite me, mainly by not watching sexy tv shows or movies. After a while of doing this watching such video seems weird, even watching a couple making out seems invasive. My chastity may in part be the reason my POIS has been less severe when it occurs. I haven't always been successful since I became chaste, but achieving it has very much been the norm. I think that it is much easier to attain and be comfortable with chastity in a culture that believes it is best. For me this is the RC Church. Its funny that you mention this today, I was having some temptation that begged me to dive into pleasure. It's just the headspace I got into for whatever reason, mainly the sexy sweetheart ahead of me in the grocery isle today who's eye I caught. But I am pleased with myself that I am fully able to resist it and I know it will dissipate, hopefully not by an NE.
I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation. I was at a party last night... kind of funny... one of the main topics, masturbation. It felt weird talking about it, it really is a universal thing. Some friends talking about how they have been doing it a few times a day over the past 10 years. One of my problems with POIS is the guilt associated with it. I'd just like everybody to know once again that it is not some code or law that is being broken with masturbation, it is just how our bodies react to it. I, usually, along with the cognitive experiences I feel during POIS, put myself down a lot, as if I'm the only one in the world that does it. The one thing we should tell ourselves if we fall victim to this guilt is that EVERYONE does it, it's just how our bodies currently react to sex.
Quote from: -GC- on 05/06/2010 17:17:54I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation. I think that the guilt (apart from religious reasons) sometimes comes from the fact that the satisfied feeling - if realized too often - can take the place of more rewarding activities, such as flirting, dating, mating, and other social activities. Just my opinion.
I'm posting this usually because the guilt i feel after masturbation.
Quote from: lauracostis on 08/06/2010 06:22:00the milky pee is from sperm going retrograde(backwards) into your bladder, it takes quite a while for the sperm to be broken up in the bladder so they dont come back out when you pee for quite a while after wards.And it's interesting that from about 1/2 hour since the milky pee, my POIS went from severe to practically none, and it's been that way since. I'm starting day 3 now.
Interesting, makes me think of candida....
Here's something I struggle to understand. Why oh why did my own body decide to pick the worst timing possible to have an N.E.? I don't believe that when we're unconcious our brains have forgotten what's happening in our lives and are suddenly unaware of important events coming up. So why this self destruction? I write this now in the early hours of the morning as an example of the despair that POIS causes. Please forgive me for ranting.Yesterday I was feeling really happy and positive. I work freelance and have a very important but exciting contract that starts in a couple of days. I also have a fun social gathering planned tonight. Just now I had my first N.E. in a very long time. Noooooo! Why now?! Instantly the world comes crashing down and an exciting and uplifting time becomes the exact opposite in seconds. I'm left wondering whether I should phone in ill and incapable of fulfilling my contract which I can't really afford to do financially or go ahead with the work knowing that I can't perform like I normally would and leave my big name client disappointed and potentially reluctant to hire me again. This job was a big break for me and I was feeling good about it. The contract lasts a week with potentially more work to follow later in the year off the back of it. My POIS episodes last at least a week. On the day the contract starts it'll be day 3 of POIS symptoms, days 3-5 are traditionally my worst. Why oh why would my body pick now to do this? You'd think even whilst subconcious my brain would've known by now the consequences of having an NE now. I used to stress and worry about N.E.'s because this isn't the first time an NE has come at a bad time. Everytime some important work came up I would worry that an NE might ruin it which often meant not sleeping well. Sometimes I somehow 'knew' the night before an NE struck that an NE was likely to strike and I was often right. But I haven't worried about NE's for a few years now and life has been better for it. I've adopted a strategy for coping with POIS. For the most part I steer clear of masturbation for as long as possible but when the urge is getting great or I think it soon will I identify a period when I can afford some downtime and masturbate then. This relieves urges and, once recovered, I'm often able to go another long period (month or more) without POIS symptoms until I pick another time when I can relieve myself without it affecting work and social life too much. This calculated masturbation coupled perhaps with just getting older seems to have pretty much eliminated the N.E. lottery from my life. I just don't really have NE's anymore. Until now. Now I'm faced with a prime example of how POIS ruins our lives. And I can't just phone my client and say “bear with me mate, I've got really bad Post Orgasmic Illness syndrome this week. I just thought I'd better let you know because I'm not always as vague and vacant as this. Usually I'm actually quite fun to be around and quite sharp. Despite appearances I'm actually good at my job”. Aaaagh!Its exactly occasions like this when we desperately need something we can take that gives instant relief like the northisterone did for the guy in Dr Dexter's paper. I talked to a GP about northisterone showing her Dr Dexter's paper and Dr Waldinger's. She ran a mile. Understandably she explained she didn't have the necessary expertise and would never prescribe northisterone to a man. I need to find a willing GP because if northisterone works for me then boy do I need it at a time like this. I fear with the weekend upon me that I won't get any in time to help me this week though. At least this forum exists and for that I'm grateful.
Just what I had feared the most... Anyways I did have a near lucid dream in the middle of the night though. Also anyone else have extremely vivid dreams once in pois? I notice I can never remember my dreams outs of pois, but once I orgasm and enter pois week, I remember alot more dreams. wierd..
Progesterone update:It's been 2.5 weeks since beginning the 'birth control' schedule of .35mg progesterone daily. I've felt good over that time but haven't tested much with Oing. However, last night I did test and the results were positive; I felt POIS symptoms but they were diminished significantly. I tested again this morning and results were less exciting; I felt the mental and physical fatigue set-in. I feel the second test was pushing the boundaries of Oing frequency being so close to previous one. I'm glad I did however as knowing the limitations is important for advancing with this medication.Today a shipment of 5mg progesterone arrived from an international pharmacy. I'm still skeptical about taking a prescription from a lesser known manufacture but am glad the pills are handy.
Progesterone update:It's been 2.5 weeks since beginning the 'birth control' schedule of .35mg progesterone daily. I've felt good over that time but haven't tested much with Oing. However, last night I did test and the results were positive;