[lauracostis]

           

         
                        Wait, perhaps we should reconsider?

ha ha, wait what are we reconsidering? i would like to reconsider also, what ever it may be

[demografx]

Laurac, you're not reading our posts thoroughly!!! [] [] []

The issues you are suffering is [sic] wellknown in both the yoga and qigong tradition and in tradtitional chineese [sic], indian and tibetan medicine...Dr lins technique...

We have had very little success with this, and Dr Lin and his "actionlove" have been thoroughly invalidated here, numerous times.

We try to be open, but this really is a Science Forum, and as such our focus continues to be on empirical-scientific methods to arrive at a cure for POIS.

...sleep comfortably naked in the snow might also be able to produce other powerful effects, especially since that is consistently reported by so many.

I just wanted to add that these abilities to control one's own biology through meditation are rare... and most of us don't have these abilities.
Also, I'm just repeating what demo said, but i think we're trying to find out the science behind this illness.

Real meditation is a very personal, reflexive, interactive practice, taking advantage of heightened states of consciousness. Any intent to use it to force or implement some state dictated by an external guide is little more than hypnotism, and very potentially dangerous.

Some of the practices named above by Yogi, in my case cause severe POIS reactions. I cannot perform orgasms without ejaculation, they cause a retrograde flow that sends my system to hell and back. That's my case, and that's my point! How can someone be so irresponsible as to say point blank, without medical knowledge of an individual what is good for him.

Some guided meditations, if they are directed at helping people look at themselves, without any directives as to what should be seen, felt or changed are certainly a different case. Meditation is a tool to self understanding and self knowledge. Anyone teaching meditation should only show his students how to come into better contact with their own Self.

Now I must go and meditate to lower my blood-pressure!

[demografx]

Demo,
Have you (or anyone) tried Dostinex to reduce Prolactin or POIS after orgasm?

My prolactin was sky-high, 1000% higher than norm. Pituitary brain scan revealed nothing, so I did my own research with endo's blessing. Simply reading wikipedia, it pointed to Rx drugs as the usual suspect, naming Reglan, which I was on for a decade. So I got off it and my prolactin went from 90 to 9 (normal)!

Just my experience.

[lauracostis]

Laurac, you're not reading our posts thoroughly!!! [] [] []

The issues you are suffering is [sic] wellknown in both the yoga and qigong tradition and in tradtitional chineese [sic], indian and tibetan medicine...Dr lins technique...

We have had very little success with this, and Dr Lin and his "actionlove" have been thoroughly invalidated here, numerous times.

We try to be open, but this really is a Science Forum, and as such our focus continues to be on empirical-scientific methods to arrive at a cure for POIS.

...sleep comfortably naked in the snow might also be able to produce other powerful effects, especially since that is consistently reported by so many.

I just wanted to add that these abilities to control one's own biology through meditation are rare... and most of us don't have these abilities.
Also, I'm just repeating what demo said, but i think we're trying to find out the science behind this illness.

Real meditation is a very personal, reflexive, interactive practice, taking advantage of heightened states of consciousness. Any intent to use it to force or implement some state dictated by an external guide is little more than hypnotism, and very potentially dangerous.

Some of the practices named above by Yogi, in my case cause severe POIS reactions. I cannot perform orgasms without ejaculation, they cause a retrograde flow that sends my system to hell and back. That's my case, and that's my point! How can someone be so irresponsible as to say point blank, without medical knowledge of an individual what is good for him.

Some guided meditations, if they are directed at helping people look at themselves, without any directives as to what should be seen, felt or changed are certainly a different case. Meditation is a tool to self understanding and self knowledge. Anyone teaching meditation should only show his students how to come into better contact with their own Self.

Now I must go and meditate to lower my blood-pressure!

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

[horizon]

What do people think is more preferable for LESS pois,
LOWER Vasopressin during arousal, or
HIGHER Vasopressin during arousal?
thanks

[demografx]

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

Spoken like a True Scientist []

[demografx]

What do people think is more preferable for LESS pois,
LOWER Vasopressin during arousal, or
HIGHER Vasopressin during arousal?
thanks

Sorry if this is irrelevant, but I've wanted to take Vasopressin for years for OAB and nocturia, but decided against it because it's a little too risky for me.

[daveman]

DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid) fish oil supplement seems to work well for me. Does anybody here had the similar experience with this supplement ?

I had a good experience with large quantity of whole cooked fish. I have not had such a good feeling with fish oils or smaller quantity of canned sardines and mackerel.
I suspect vitamin-D (or placebo  [] )

Besides the canned versions can have very nasty additives, relatives of MSG etc.

[horizon]

What do people think is more preferable for LESS pois,
LOWER Vasopressin during arousal, or
HIGHER Vasopressin during arousal?
thanks

Just to clarify this question, its in regards to the natural build up in our system, like for example prolactin is seen as better if it is lower after orgasm for less pois.

I was wondering if people think its naturally better be have lower or higher Vasopressin during arousal?

demo, do you think then ("speculating") Vasopressin is too low in pois sufferers and should be higher?

[daveman]

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

Yes, and in my case it would probably be from "alive" to "dead"!

[daveman]

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

Yes, and in my case it would probably be from "alive" to "dead"!

Unless those three girls.......

[lauracostis]

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

Yes, and in my case it would probably be from "alive" to "dead"!

well spoken, maybe we could thaw out in a hundred years after man has solved most of the medical mysteries.

[demografx]

yes, yes you are right, but your post deserved a remark from me context known or unknown.  now you know why i skipped over those posts. if there is anything that could change my physiology it would probably be sleeping in the snow naked

Yes, and in my case it would probably be from "alive" to "dead"!

Unless those three girls.......

LOL!!!!

[demografx]

well spoken, maybe we could thaw out in a hundred years after man has solved most of the medical mysteries.

 [] [] []

[demografx]

demo, do you think then ("speculating") Vasopressin is too low in pois sufferers and should be higher?

Clueless about that, sorry.

[demografx]

i will not consider the fight against pois over until i am actually cured, or am being thoroughly and effectively treated for for pois symptoms. i will continue to pursue my own theory of removing GnRH from my system with the T/P male birth control.  maybe i will beat Dr. doctor waldinger to the finish line

Laurac,

For my money you have one of the most promising lines on the forum, and it isn't too far from several others here.

Whether it be GnRH, FH, FSH or even sperm that is the antagonist, it's a similar mecanism that could be aleviated by the solution.

So don't stop and wait by any means. []

I agree wholeheartedly with both of you!

[Defsync]

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----- Original Message -----

From:         demografx

To:           Marcel Waldinger

Sent:         Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:36 AM

Subject:      "Under review"?



Dear Dr. Waldinger,

From one of our POIS Forum Members about your papers being under review... 

We're not sure where you are submitting, but it is more and more becoming common practice to put pre-prints up on arXiv: http://arxiv.org/

These days, many of the best papers appear on arXiv before they are published.

Dr. Waldinger, I'm sure that you can appreciate that waiting 6 months to a year could be quite hard for some people.

Best regards,

"demografx"
POIS Forum

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THANK YOU, COUNTERPOINTS, FOR THIS GREAT IDEA!

crazy good news about Waldinger's reply...

but hey demo, i honestly wouldnt ask him to do this.

and here's why:

If his team actually has secured evidence of POIS, so it can at the very least be tested for and proven medically/scientifically, we're talking about a clinical upheaval of astronomical proportions in the medical community, as well as sexual psychology. we're talking about "oh yeah, btw world, each and everyone of you could have POIS to some degree". Imagine if suddenly a million people worldwide found out a huge reason in their relationship problems stemmed from an only-now-just-discovered physiological condition? also consider, the company that can produce a cure for this is going to make billions, if in fact there are millions world wide who have POIS on some level. I can totally see why Waldinger doesnt want anything released until it's official. I wouldnt want someone else cashing in on my decade of work either. =) Not too mention his work could single-handedly annihilate decades of sexual psychology practices that never once considered a physiological component that may have existed since the dawn of man.

the fact that he has continued his studies, and may have broken the veil of we-dont-know-wtf-is-going-on in POIS, is plenty enough for me to wait as long as he needs for his report to appear. =)

and demo, you're my hero =P

[demografx]

Defsync, you're absolutely right. And hindsight is a killer. But I think I brushed it over smoothly segueing to showing him that I posted best wishes for publication and his POIS Medical Research, encouraging strict confidentiality from now on, and just leaving it at that.

Many thanks, Defsync, for your kind words!

[demografx]

demo, do you think then ("speculating") Vasopressin is too low in pois sufferers and should be higher?

Clueless about that, sorry.

Horizon, just to expand a bit, the reason I'm clueless is that my only knowledge of Vasopressin is related to OAB and nocturia, which I don't think are at all related to POIS.

Could be worth exploring?

[demografx]

we're talking about a clinical upheaval of astronomical proportions in the medical community, as well as sexual psychology. we're talking about "oh yeah, btw world, each and everyone of you could have POIS to some degree". Imagine if suddenly a million people worldwide found out a huge reason in their relationship problems stemmed from an only-now-just-discovered physiological condition? also consider, the company that can produce a cure for this is going to make billions, if in fact there are millions world wide who have POIS on some level.

Fascinating point. Our friend at NORD feels the same way as you, that POIS is only "the tip of the iceberg". She cited Howard Stern as an example (he's very vocal in sexual matters []). Howard falls dead asleep after sex, scaring people because he's completely unwakeable. And Marnia Robinson talks about a universal spectrum of post-sex reactions, with POIS perhaps being at the extreme end.

I'll raise your poker hand of millions to billions of "POIS" sufferers on the planet if this is true!!