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for a doctor ... a little bit more contact with the main forum dealing with it would have been a minimum.
Sad, but we take what is good from this and build strength.
Quote from: Hoping on 24/06/2011 20:58:11Quote from: connor on 24/06/2011 05:11:55Quote from: spence23 on 23/06/2011 07:49:05Quote from: connor on 23/06/2011 05:06:15Quote from: spence23 on 22/06/2011 22:00:20The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamineI'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine), paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin. The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison. Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose. Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same. Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.were you on wellbutrin by itself? or was it anadjunct to another antidepressant? I just wanted to chime in that I've been taking 150mg wellbutrin for the past two or three years. This is a fairly low dosage. I feel like I have more energy while on the drug. I feel like my "lows" aren't quite as low. POIS-induced depression and mood swings are still a big problem for me, but the wellbutrin may have lessend them -- it's difficult to remember my pre-wellbutrin self. Connor and Spence --> what dosage did you try?i'm on 200. i think it's helping. i seem to recover faster at least.
Quote from: connor on 24/06/2011 05:11:55Quote from: spence23 on 23/06/2011 07:49:05Quote from: connor on 23/06/2011 05:06:15Quote from: spence23 on 22/06/2011 22:00:20The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamineI'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine), paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin. The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison. Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose. Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same. Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.were you on wellbutrin by itself? or was it anadjunct to another antidepressant? I just wanted to chime in that I've been taking 150mg wellbutrin for the past two or three years. This is a fairly low dosage. I feel like I have more energy while on the drug. I feel like my "lows" aren't quite as low. POIS-induced depression and mood swings are still a big problem for me, but the wellbutrin may have lessend them -- it's difficult to remember my pre-wellbutrin self. Connor and Spence --> what dosage did you try?
Quote from: spence23 on 23/06/2011 07:49:05Quote from: connor on 23/06/2011 05:06:15Quote from: spence23 on 22/06/2011 22:00:20The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamineI'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine), paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin. The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison. Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose. Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same. Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.were you on wellbutrin by itself? or was it anadjunct to another antidepressant?
Quote from: connor on 23/06/2011 05:06:15Quote from: spence23 on 22/06/2011 22:00:20The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamineI'd have to check my exact list but the 4 i can remember now are Pristiq(desvenlafaxine), paroxetine, Prozzac and Wellbrutrin. The first day or 2 of trying the welbutrin gave me complete relief of those new symptoms, i felt 100% better, was a night to day comparison. Unfortunately that left after 24 hours and never came back in my next 10 weeks on the drug regardless of doubling and 2.5x the dose. Honestly i'm no expert but after trying these various anti depressants for over a year i've convinced myself its not standard depression, i've had depression in the past many years ago and this just doesn't feel the same. Not only that but from i understand about antidepressants is they work over a period of time so for me to be relieved 100% within an hour or so of taking it makes me feel it was more likely some sort of other chemical reaction unrelated to depression.
Quote from: spence23 on 22/06/2011 22:00:20The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.what antidepressants have you tried? wellbutrin is the closests i've gotten to curing this nightmare. i've tried all the ssris pretty much and they made things worse. i think my problem stems from low dopamine
The main symptoms i'm experiancing are a complete lack of motivation and energy to the point where i stopped working and dropped any and all of my hobbies. I've been attempting to do some digging and it seems that those 3 fit fairly well with low testosterone which i know some people here have had issues with as well but my blood tests have all come back normal so my doctor disregarded my concern.over the past 3 years i've attempted about 6 different types of anti-depressants as well as many different types of therapy and seen many psychologists but nothing has helped even in the slightest. I've been given a clean mental bill of health multiple times and am concerned its a physical/hormone issue but my family doctor has pretty much given up at this pointabout 3 times in the last 3 years i've had complete relief from these new symptoms but its only been for 24 hours and i can never find a connection, any suggestions would be be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Demo, when was the last time you got Prof Waldinger through the phone? []
Victor, you must understand that you are under suspicion because of the context in which you entered the forum. However, there are a few people here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a hard boiled skeptic, also however. So watch out! If it were up to me you would be banned too. I don't like to take any chances. But it's demo's call, not mine.
Victor I hope you don't get disgusted and leave us. I also welcome your input.
Quote from: Animus on 09/07/2011 19:38:04Victor, you must understand that you are under suspicion because of the context in which you entered the forum. However, there are a few people here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a hard boiled skeptic, also however. So watch out! If it were up to me you would be banned too. I don't like to take any chances. But it's demo's call, not mine.I don't like to prove anything about myself, but for the sake of naked truth I've appeared on this forum long ago this accident. And when I appeared my first message was about XN, this message didn't took much attention at that time, because it was not promotional at all. But when the Dmitry came, sorry, it was my duty say its a lie, because it was me who helped him, but he from whatever reason started to lie and promote his own lie. (I don't think he would be able to do some profit actually, I think he behaved just idiotically)Victor
Quote from: Animus on 10/07/2011 01:40:30Quote from: victor.kons on 09/07/2011 22:58:18Quote from: Animus on 09/07/2011 19:38:04Victor, you must understand that you are under suspicion because of the context in which you entered the forum. However, there are a few people here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a hard boiled skeptic, also however. So watch out! If it were up to me you would be banned too. I don't like to take any chances. But it's demo's call, not mine.I don't like to prove anything about myself, but for the sake of naked truth I've appeared on this forum long ago this accident. And when I appeared my first message was about XN, this message didn't took much attention at that time, because it was not promotional at all. But when the Dmitry came, sorry, it was my duty say its a lie, because it was me who helped him, but he from whatever reason started to lie and promote his own lie. (I don't think he would be able to do some profit actually, I think he behaved just idiotically)VictorOK, welcome to the forum. I hope you can shed some light on the benefits of XM & your experience. thanksI also look forward to hearing about all your experiences. Sorry that the timing was bad with all the Dmitry confusion.It seems that you have much to share of interest with us, Victor. Thank you!
Quote from: victor.kons on 09/07/2011 22:58:18Quote from: Animus on 09/07/2011 19:38:04Victor, you must understand that you are under suspicion because of the context in which you entered the forum. However, there are a few people here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a hard boiled skeptic, also however. So watch out! If it were up to me you would be banned too. I don't like to take any chances. But it's demo's call, not mine.I don't like to prove anything about myself, but for the sake of naked truth I've appeared on this forum long ago this accident. And when I appeared my first message was about XN, this message didn't took much attention at that time, because it was not promotional at all. But when the Dmitry came, sorry, it was my duty say its a lie, because it was me who helped him, but he from whatever reason started to lie and promote his own lie. (I don't think he would be able to do some profit actually, I think he behaved just idiotically)VictorOK, welcome to the forum. I hope you can shed some light on the benefits of XM & your experience. thanks
My 2 cents worth :-)XN seems to be very B3 related (Niacin), and my DR after much talking of my condition had stated that I should try taking B3. There are 2 kinds, one will make you very flush and one will not, he said to find the non-flush type.....I had read someone talking about the Niacin and 5 hour energy giving someone an allergic reaction, this was not allergies, this is what the one form of Niacin does....Anyway thought it was an interesting coincidence.I am going to start taking my B3 and see....PS.mod edit - Niacin bold-enlarged-emphasis above is mine, demo
OK, welcome to the forum. I hope you can shed some light on the benefits of XM & your experience. thanks
Holy Moly! After re-reading POIS-SUFFERER's post above, it suddenly hit me: my POIS has strangely but dramatically improved recently - 90% to 100% POIS relief, over my usual 80% relief with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)...At the same time, I also was recently put on NIASPANŽ (niacin extended-release tablets), 500 mg daily, for my cholesterol!I hope this is real and not just a happy interlude!Stay tuned!
Demo, That is Way to much of a coincidene.It sounds like this niacin theory needs to be looked at further! I am very cautiously optimistic.Thanks for sharing this lightbulb moment.
Some time before POIS I was keen on boxing (6 trainings per week as a minimum) and for overall body support used this sports nutrition http://www.vitaminexpress.net/en/mineral-drinks/fit-active-l-carnitine-beutel/prod8479.html#productcontent vitamin supplement. It's rich in vitamins and minerals, and as I found recently (as I had no specific reason to pay attention to it before), contains ... niacin. I stopped using it about 2 months before POIS developed.