[GoingCrazy]

Just had 3 O's after previously not having POIS the last time I had the O's.  This time it struck me like lightning.  I had them last night, and in my brain I swear I go temporarily psychotic during the night, I can't sleep and have really messed up dreams.  I did not take niacin yesterday, as I said that gives me some temporary pois type reaction.  It has been about 18 hours and it is about gone, at least the terrible mood part.

I also drank a lot a few days ago and had a really, really good night's sleep.  I think beer is actually beneficial to my POIS other than hard alcohol.  Does beer help anybody else?

[CertainlyPOIS]

I think this idea should support semen allergy more. 
I dont know if somebody brought it up or not.

If doctor waldinger is wrong and all men are allergic to semen and our problem is not semen allergy.  then when i get my injections i shouldnt get pois symptoms to, i should just get pure allergy symptoms like people with other allergies.

at 1;100 i got pois symptoms from shot.
hoping waited till he was out of pois to do allergy test, and allergy test gave him pois.

[GoingCrazy]

**Edited  (better picture a few posts below)

BTW, I'm just trying to get to a better understanding of how we relate to our pains in POIS, can some people just please take a look at this picture and explain where you mentally feel your pois.  I know some people feel it all throughout but mine follows a distinct pattern.  (#10 is the front of the brain)


For me, my usual POIS starts at between the numbers 37, 19, somewhere around there.  That is where I can say I feel the "imbalance" or whatever is taking place.  Not really familiar with the brain so this is probably not the best picture but I think if the cerebellum was there (below #37) than I would say it is between 37 and the cerebellum.

[observercenter]

BTW, I'm just trying to get to a better understanding of how we relate to our pains in POIS, can some people just please take a look at this picture and explain where you mentally feel your pois.  I know some people feel it all throughout but mine follows a distinct pattern.  (#17 is the front of the brain)


For me, my usual POIS starts at between the numbers 38, 44 and 45, somewhere around there.  That is where I can say I feel the "imbalance" or whatever is taking place.

I think that the brain fog or the imbalance is felt at this area, just behind my eyes - i can feel it on that point : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodmann_area_11 . Interesting what the wiki says: "Brodmann area 11 is one of Brodmann's cytologically defined regions of the brain. It is involved in planning, reasoning, and decision making."

Oh, and 38 suits better i think. Area 11-38. Brodmann's area 38
Associational cortical area in the anterior pole of the temporal lobe; this temporal area is related to networks in the amygdala and orbital prefrontal cortex that govern personal and social behavior, emotion, and decision making.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodmann_area_38

[kurtosis]

Surveys often don't link the user to his vote, so this is a slight touch I'm going to give to ours. Of all the surveys that we will undertake, an important one will be a POIS profile per individual.

Later when we do other surveys, each individual will be linked to his answers so that we can always extract information relative to a certain profile.

The survey programs that are available (free) usually have a limited set of evaluation criteria and usually just say, "to this question 47.3% andswered 'yes' and 52.7% answered 'no', useful, but limited.

But once the database is available, we can use different programs to extract the same answers but related to a specific "user profile", "Individuals that suffer mostly physical symptoms don't respond to niacin, and those with cognitive problems do" for instance.

So it should be interesting.

That's a great point caveman. What format will the survey be published in? CSV file format works very well with most statistical analysis packages like minitab for example (or even the Excel stats stuff).
Would be interesting to do some hypothesis testing on the data.

That's Daveman by the way []!

Yes it has CSV output, can be imported into excel etc. I usually don't do too much myself in that area, like to work directly on the database for WEB output.

But it's great if there are people like you available to run it through excel scripts or other analysis programs, all the more minds working on the possibilities.

The program has it's own WEB reporting tool, pretty basic, just says how the group responded. But I will be writing an interface to be able to do more extensive cross tabulation and extraction of more specific information (ej. treatment efficacy for instance referenced to specific POIS profiles ).

The spelling correcter inserts "caveman" automatically if I type daveman in lower case. Sorry about that, I forgot I'd switched that feature on on my new laptop as I've been busy traveling around the globe on a holiday.
Exporting to csv would be fine.

[observercenter]

I think this idea should support semen allergy more. 
I dont know if somebody brought it up or not.

If doctor waldinger is wrong and all men are allergic to semen and our problem is not semen allergy.  then when i get my injections i shouldnt get pois symptoms to, i should just get pure allergy symptoms like people with other allergies.

at 1;100 i got pois symptoms from shot.
hoping waited till he was out of pois to do allergy test, and allergy test gave him pois.

Dr. Waldinger said when i visited him that non-POIS sufferers do not experiment any kind of reaction to an allergy test.

I felt when i have an orgasm - since the very first moments - like someone is injecting me the brain fog( I could not explain better, sorry) in an area of my brain behind my eyes. I could feel the beginning of this "injection" if i have taken niacin 1 hour before the orgasm - but the feeling stops there and i do not develop any brain fog. I felt exactly the same when the allergist of Dr.Waldinger injected me a dilluted concentration of my own semen - They in fact told me that i should get mild POIS from the injection - something that did not happen because i had taken the niacin!. I hope my experience serves.

[CertainlyPOIS]

Dr. Waldinger said when i visited him that non-POIS sufferers do not experiment any kind of reaction to an allergy tes

do you any way know why he did not put that in his paper

[observercenter]

do you any way know why he did not put that in his paper

I did not know that he did not put that in his paper. I think he will explain this better in the POIS documentary of ABC television, because the journalist asked one question about this.

[GoingCrazy]

This is probably the better picture to put up.

Again as soon as I "O" I experience it in my cerebellum, I have almost no doubt.

Observercenter you say that as soon as you "O" you can feel it behind your eyes?
That area is sort of where mine "migrates" to from the cerebellum and than disappears.  It used to be located in that area heavily but is not really there any more.  I think it is some sort of neurotransmitter deficiency as when I take caffeine, it usually goes away.  I think the caffeine boosts some sort of neurotransmitter function in the area.

[Mutant Man]

do you any way know why he did not put that in his paper

I did not know that he did not put that in his paper. I think he will explain this better in the POIS documentary of ABC television, because the journalist asked one question about this.

How do I find this documentary...

[Mutant Man]

The other point I want to repeat is frozen semen can't trigger the immune reaction. So for a scientist it may help to identify what is the element in semen causing the Pois which is active in fresh semen but inactive in frozen semen.

I think we can't say frozen definitely doesn't work yet, as we don't have enough data or adequately refined techniques and controls in place, just that fresh semen does work and frozen may not. The way things are frozen might be important - eg. how fast/slow is the freezing, do the contents separate out at all somehow during the process etc).

However, if you have more evidence do let me know, I have only read Habibou's case (which I admit is significant!) and just a few other forum posts on this..

If  you say skinprick, all in one word, it gets through.

Thanks, I understand my mistake  []

 I received an intradermal test from Dr. Nguyen and Dr. Bewtra (so did CCconfucius). The semen was not diluted at all. I froze the sample about a week before the test and thawed it in the fridge a few hours before the test and kept it cool on the way to the doctor's office. I believe keeping the sample fresh is important. Anyway, for treatment, the doctor may need to dilute the sample, but for my testing (and for CCconfucius) it wasn't.

evidence frozen semen still causes reaction.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe thawed cells do tend to disintegrate as a consequence of the freezing process.

[Mutant Man]

Anyone got any potentially effective treatments I can try? So far, Niacin incoporated wellman doesn't work on me. Should I try independent niacin by itself? Loratadine does only as little help as my POIS is predominantly physical....

[observercenter]

How do I find this documentary...

You must wait 2,3 months because it is going to be broadcast on that date.

[Mutant Man]

How do I find this documentary...

You must wait 2,3 months because it is going to be broadcast on that date.

Wonderful. Do you know the precise date?

[daveman]

Anyone got any potentially effective treatments I can try? So far, Niacin incoporated wellman doesn't work on me. Should I try independent niacin by itself? Loratadine does only as little help as my POIS is predominantly physical....

I use Nature's Way 100mg capsules. Pure natural niacin, and in capsules you can open them and divide doses easily.

The rules are strict for it to work:
fast at least 3 to 5 hours before niacin
-niacin 1 hour before "O"
-take just enough to flush (the flush is the guide) slightly less also works but not as well, but if you don't flush you don't know if  you're close
 (I take 100mg to 150mg)
-Wait for the peak of the flush to pass before "O"

That's all, but anything else probably won't work.

[Quasar]

Is there anyone besides Jferr and me who also has low or borderline low FSH hormone levels? Could someone make a poll? Thanks!

[jferr]

Thats a good idea, Quasar.

Also, Has anyone taken a testosterone supplement? If so, What amount and during what times of POIS is it taken? I am debating trying to get a prescription as I believe it may help. Thanks.

[Vincent M]

Anyone got any potentially effective treatments I can try? So far, Niacin incoporated wellman doesn't work on me. Should I try independent niacin by itself? Loratadine does only as little help as my POIS is predominantly physical....

Interesting. My symptoms are mostly physical as well and Loratadine eliminates the majority of those physical symptoms. I think taking the Loratadine an hour before "o" works the best. Taking it after "o" would probably do nothing for me.

Taking niacin by itself would be a good idea especially if you didn't get a flush from it. You should at least experience the flush before giving up on niacin in my opinion.

[questforlife]

Thats a good idea, Quasar.

Also, Has anyone taken a testosterone supplement? If so, What amount and during what times of POIS is it taken? I am debating trying to get a prescription as I believe it may help. Thanks.

Hi, not that I would recommend an illegal substance.  However I once took dianabol (Methandrostenolone) for body building purposes.  The effects were very interesting in how I felt overall.  I took tiny amounts for approx 8 months (when I say tiny, im talking about half a tablet) 

I felt like a new me with no POIS effects.  I felt like the person i wanted to be if that makes any sense.  Now you must understand, I am not suggesting we take this, Dianabol has some serious effects on the liver not to mention other issues - hence why its banned.  I was having alot of sex durning that period, due to high testosterone levels and my disbelief that POIS appeared to have gone.

I have often looked into why Dianobol did this to me, because the amounts I was taking would not normally show any effect.

Now I have stopped it POIS has returned.

[kurtosis]

Following the discussions about astaxanthin in salmon I tried krill oil again with the rest of my current supplementation regime (niacin, multi-vit in the morning,  zma at night and at least 2.5g vit c during the day). Have had 2 0's during the 5 days I've tried it. I should be wrecked from POIS, jet lag and travel/work related stress but I actually feel even better than I did at the start of this supplementation. Krill oil is adding something else that wasn't there with my standard trigylceride fish oil.

I've had very little POIS symptoms. They might even be normal responses to an O. I can't quite figure it out as I've never known "normal" responses before. The turning point for me was when I discovered niacin. Things just started to improve and I take it almost every morning when I wake up. It feels odd to flush each morning but it's better to feel odd than depressed and scatter brained. But on days when I feel really good and don't intend to have an O, I skip the extra 100mg and just take the 50 with my multi-vit. So far so good.