[kurtosis]

Hi all

I had adeficiency of v. d3, but now after treatment my d3 balance is normal,and i still in pois,
so v.d3 has no effect on pois.

For you. There is no guarantee that we all have the same thing.

[kurtosis]

I almost died from Tongkat Ali,  if anybody tried that.  Yohimbe screwed up my nervous system  eventually and  tribullus  completely  screwed me over.

I tried tribullus too. It made me feel quite sick.

[Nightingale]

I have a question for everyone here:  have your POIS symptoms, especially your cognitive symptoms, ever improved when you were sick with the flu/cold/other?

For me this is a "yes".  It isn't often that I am sick though, so I havn't had the chance to observe it much.  But most recently, this past Christmas holiday I caught a serious cold that lasted for 2+ weeks.  It was partially my fault, because I was in the midst of treating my candida infection and went overboard with antifungals and probiotics, making me feel terrible and compromising my immune system.  On top of that, I was surrounded by family who probably brought all sorts of germs with them.

I was sneezing and coughing and had a sore throat, but I was having the highest clarity of thought in recent memory.  It lasted about a week after I stopped sneezing and coughing, and I returned to normal.  Since I was in such a fervor to treat my candida, I immediately thought this was some great benefit of really conquering candida.  I had dieted and treated myself for almost 3 months at that point, so I thought it was about time to see some great benefits.

Thing is now I have problems with candida again.  I reintroduced foods according to the diet, and didn't have the normal gassiness and bloating I was having before.  My biggest reason for treating candida was that I had developed what is called an intertrigo 3 years ago, which is a sore spot in the fold of my skin between my thigh and genitals.  I washed it and cleaned it for over 2.5 years, and it never would go away.  Finally, after reading some things about candida on POIS forums and asking my doc, he told me he was confident it was a fungal intertrigo.  That intertrigo went away for the first time in 3 years in laste December, and I was happy because I knew I had treated it by attacking candida in my body.

But about 1 month ago, my symptoms started to show up again.  I became gassy, bloated, and I started to feel the all to familiar irritation where my intertrigo used to be.  My candida is still there, and it hasn't been treated.

So was this glorious 2 or so weeks of clarity of though really the result of treating candida?  I'm not so sure now, because I'm beginning to realize how many times I've experienced a reduction in symptoms, especially cognitive symptoms, when I've been sick.  I can think all the way back to early high school, when I already had POIS for 3 years, I came down with a cold and could finally understand what was going on in my mathematics class.  In addition, I suffered from social anxiety terribly in high school, and in those sick times I remember being "on my game" for the first time in my life, making jokes and flirting with girls.

There are studies out there that have explored the idea that sickness can be beneficial to diseases.  Jonathan Kipnis of the University of Virginia found that incapacitating mice's T cells made them perform poorly in navigating known mazes, in addition to a number of other cognitive tests:

http://www.pnas.org/content/101/21/8180.abstract

Also, he and other scientists knocked out the immune signaling molecule interleukin-4 in mice, and found they displayed significant cognitive deficits:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20439540

Kipnis dreamed up these studies when he found he could think more clearly during a fever.

There is a lot of research showing that fever helps in autism.  In 1980, a viral infection spread through the ward housing autistic children at Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital in NYC.  The children who contracted the virus improved, and regressed when their illness faded:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v313/n6002/abs/313426c0.html

A questionnaire study by Curren et. all showed that the most difficult symptoms of autism - the irritability, hyperactivity, repetetive behavior, and lack of impulse control - all improved when body temperature went up during fever.  After the fevers resolved, the children regressed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18055656

So, I'd like to know.  Have you experienced reduced symptoms, especially cognitive ones, from being sick?  And, do you get sick less, the same, or more than others?

[B_Daniel]

Hi all

I had adeficiency of v. d3, but now after treatment my d3 balance is normal,and i still in pois,
so v.d3 has no effect on pois.

For you. There is no guarantee that we all have the same thing.

that's true, but same thing happened to me meteo.  i still take vitamin D because i don't want it to be low, but didn't help my pois.

[meteo74]

Hi Nightingale,
 for me if i were in pois it doesnt add any thing to my symtoms,but if i were in flu ... then  i do o. so the symptoms well be worse ...

[Gbolduev]

VItamin  D  helps with calcium metabolism.   POIS happens when  your  progesterone  estrogen ratio  gets  screwed up which effects your  testosterone levels  and  that puts some  burden on  inflammation  response.
So for some people who are deficient  in  D it will put a lid on thyroid,  since  D will increase calcium and  that will slow down your thyroid,   when thyroid slows down if it is fast   , the progesterone   estrogen will get balanced.   

Daniel, in your case you have low thyroid,  D wont help )))) Since  you have high DHT in your case.

Some people sitting at the computer all day  long   might  get cured by D.

[Gbolduev]

Kurtosis,

I think you had  higher thyroid,   since you mentioned that you  felt better on quercetin which is phytoestrogen .  Same here  and  I had  high thyroid too and tribulus  was killing me, I guess it was increasing it  even more.  I felt  hyper 

[Vincent M]

I have a question for everyone here:  have your POIS symptoms, especially your cognitive symptoms, ever improved when you were sick with the flu/cold/other?

So, I'd like to know.  Have you experienced reduced symptoms, especially cognitive ones, from being sick?  And, do you get sick less, the same, or more than others?

I experienced less of my physical pain symptoms the past few times I've gotten the flu, but I'm not sure if it was just the nausea overpowering my POIS pain. I'd probably need to get sick more often in order to determine how it affects my cognition. Like you I rarely get sick. Maybe 3 or 4 times a year I'll get colds or flus.

I do seem to have decreased social anxiety when I get a headache, but perhaps the pain of the headache makes me forget about the acid pain of the anxiety.

[nathan123]

I received many messages from the members for the early posting of the treatments taken.  Most of them are telling that as I cured from last 25 days, they are telling to post.  further, they told that even if my POIS bounce back on me, they are ready to take it.  Due to this reason, I am posting the treatments taken by me.  But at this time, I can provide only the details of medicines taken.  The scientific reason, causes for POIS, precatutions to be taken, how many days tablets to be taken will post on 1st April. Presently I am having little knowledge on it.  My next appontment with the doctor is on 27th March.  During that time, I will discuss in detail the scientific part of the POIS. 

Medicines taken by me and continuing as of now from the last one month and ten days by me are:


a)Tablet Palsinuron   1-1-1 After food.
b) Kamdudha Ras      2-0-2 Before food.
c)Krumi Kuthar Ras   2-0-2 After food
d) Pathyadi Ghanavati 2-0-2 After food.
e) Amla Juice - 30 ml of amla juice daily after wakeup with 30 ml of water. 

 
Further, we require to restrain from Tomato, Curd, Non-Veg, Alchohol, Oily & Bakery items, Green Chillies, Sweets, Chats, Ice creams.  If not followed this, he told medicines will not work properly and imbalance (doshas) will remain.  I am following strict diet as suggested by him & found the results. 

Further, he told that some of the medicines listed above to be strictly taken under supervision of the doctor as some should be taken only for two months.  Further, he told first Ayurvedic physician requires to diagnoise the patient by checking the pulse rate to determine which part of the body is imbalanced.  Based on this, he prescribed the above medicines for me. 

Note:  Kindly consult your physician if anyone would like start to this.  Don't do self medication.  It is dangerous for your Kidneys and Liver.

When I started this medicine, I started founding reduction in symtoms from the 7th day of the treatment.  Now, my POIS is cured from the past 25 days. 

Earlier, (I think 3 times from Nov 2011 because of a) Herbal life diet b) Neem c) Calcium Channel Blocker )my POIS used to cure only for 5 or 6 days and used to bounce back.  But this time, its already 25 days after successs.  I feel I got the permanent solution due to my effort from November 2011.  I found this forum in October 2011.  I am cured after considering each and everybody's symtoms, various interpretations of POIS, I understand little about medical especially mental symtoms.  I visited all the streams of doctors tested all the organs.  But there is no negative result anywhere except little increase in Estrogen level and AEC is 1500.  Doctors and including new ayurvedic doctor come to a view that the above two are not the reason for my POIS.  Estrogen high (not dominance is due to my excess weight which is due to calcium chanel blocker), AEC due to little Asthama). 

I will discuss the causes for POIS in my next appointment with him on 27th March. 
 
I thank for this forum once more. 

[Gbolduev]

Thanks Nathan for posting  this.

This is exactly what I am doing,    checking the blood pressure and  seeing which side the person is  at   or the temperatures/   This medicine  changes   sodium potassium ratio.    And fixes your  copper zinc imbalance/     That is why you are not  taking any sugars, for your adrenal glands. 

Thanks again.  This proves my theory completely.     
If  anyone can have access to NES machine,  you can  balance yourself really well.

But   people have   many imbalances,   and every imbalance will  cause  low testosterone.

[Gbolduev]

Estrogen  dominance  causes  high sodium  and   inflammation,  and asthma.    Nathan  I think B6  that you took was too   much, you should have taken only zinc, and you would have  the same result as  with this medicine.

[Gbolduev]

Nathan,    so it looks like they gave you  some    neuro stimulator like lecithin and     anti parasite stuff.  I  wondering what is really helping you  out of these 4,           When your thyroid is low ,   you dont produce inositol and   you dont make  lecithin out of it,  so  boom that is number one of your  supplements/  Second one is for  gastritis, which is also  depends on thyroid, since thyroid  regulates the acidity in  your stomach/   Number 3 is  anti worm stuff,  which is also understandable  with low thyroid. 

Trust me  these  are doing exactly the same thing, but  I am not sure if they are fixing you  though,  they might  just    add stuff that you  miss,  but thyroid will still underwork.

[nathan123]

Nathan,    so it looks like they gave you  some    neuro stimulator like lecithin and     anti parasite stuff.  I  wondering what is really helping you  out of these 4,           When your thyroid is low ,   you dont produce inositol and   you dont make  lecithin out of it,  so  boom that is number one of your  supplements/  Second one is for  gastritis, which is also  depends on thyroid, since thyroid  regulates the acidity in  your stomach/   Number 3 is  anti worm stuff,  which is also understandable  with low thyroid. 

Trust me  these  are doing exactly the same thing, but  I am not sure if they are fixing you  though,  they might  just    add stuff that you  miss,  but thyroid will still underwork.

Dear Gbuldev,

I expected this type of explanation & reason from you.  Don't make your assumption on my thyroid.  It is perfectly fine.  I took a opinion from 4 doctors on my thyroid and it is perfectly fine.  I am guessing you are googling these medicine and come to a conclusion about this.  Google articles are not scientifically proven and don't rely on this.  The only best reliable source is webmed. 

Further, my copper and zinc levels are normal.  that also I confirmed through my hair analysis test, urine test and blood test.  Don't make asssumptions on this.  So, don't make comments on me on thyroid and mineral imbalance because I am 100% sure that it was perfect.  So, don't make wrong information to this forum.  If you are comment on other issue, I will accept subject to further confirmation from doctor.  without confirmation from doctor, I will not accept any thing.   

I still don't know what was wrong with me when I am in POIS.  That's why I am having appointment on 27th to discuss these doubts and future medicines.  I want to discuss which medicine worked or its because of all four medicine.  Amazing result from this.   

[chris 18]

I received many messages from the members for the early posting of the treatments taken.  Most of them are telling that as I cured from last 25 days, they are telling to post.  further, they told that even if my POIS bounce back on me, they are ready to take it.  Due to this reason, I am posting the treatments taken by me.  But at this time, I can provide only the details of medicines taken.  The scientific reason, causes for POIS, precatutions to be taken, how many days tablets to be taken will post on 1st April. Presently I am having little knowledge on it.  My next appontment with the doctor is on 27th March.  During that time, I will discuss in detail the scientific part of the POIS. 

Medicines taken by me and continuing as of now from the last one month and ten days by me are:


a)Tablet Palsinuron   1-1-1 After food.
b) Kamdudha Ras      2-0-2 Before food.
c)Krumi Kuthar Ras   2-0-2 After food
d) Pathyadi Ghanavati 2-0-2 After food.
e) Amla Juice - 30 ml of amla juice daily after wakeup with 30 ml of water. 

 
Further, we require to restrain from Tomato, Curd, Non-Veg, Alchohol, Oily & Bakery items, Green Chillies, Sweets, Chats, Ice creams.  If not followed this, he told medicines will not work properly and imbalance (doshas) will remain.  I am following strict diet as suggested by him & found the results. 

Further, he told that some of the medicines listed above to be strictly taken under supervision of the doctor as some should be taken only for two months.  Further, he told first Ayurvedic physician requires to diagnoise the patient by checking the pulse rate to determine which part of the body is imbalanced.  Based on this, he prescribed the above medicines for me. 

Note:  Kindly consult your physician if anyone would like start to this.  Don't do self medication.  It is dangerous for your Kidneys and Liver.

When I started this medicine, I started founding reduction in symtoms from the 7th day of the treatment.  Now, my POIS is cured from the past 25 days. 

Earlier, (I think 3 times from Nov 2011 because of a) Herbal life diet b) Neem c) Calcium Channel Blocker )my POIS used to cure only for 5 or 6 days and used to bounce back.  But this time, its already 25 days after successs.  I feel I got the permanent solution due to my effort from November 2011.  I found this forum in October 2011.  I am cured after considering each and everybody's symtoms, various interpretations of POIS, I understand little about medical especially mental symtoms.  I visited all the streams of doctors tested all the organs.  But there is no negative result anywhere except little increase in Estrogen level and AEC is 1500.  Doctors and including new ayurvedic doctor come to a view that the above two are not the reason for my POIS.  Estrogen high (not dominance is due to my excess weight which is due to calcium chanel blocker), AEC due to little Asthama). 

I will discuss the causes for POIS in my next appointment with him on 27th March. 
 
I thank for this forum once more.

Nathan can you ask your doctor at your next appointment if this method will have a permanent result after some period..Because its almost impossibe to follow this strict diet and medicines for your rest of your life.Thanks.

[Gbolduev]

Nathan

Whatever you say , my friend/  Yes I  googled  the stuff that you are taking,   and  I know what  that stuff for/

I am not trying to advice you  on anything,   I know exactly what I am talking about your thyroid and copper zinc ratio/  Your doctors dont know.  You  are taking antiparasites stuff  and it does not  mean other people  have  parasites.   Parasites  kill B 12, and  B 12 is very  very important for the  thyroid.
 

[nathan123]

Nathan

Whatever you say , my friend/  Yes I  googled  the stuff that you are taking,   and  I know what  that stuff for/

I am not trying to advice you  on anything,   I know exactly what I am talking about your thyroid and copper zinc ratio/  Your doctors dont know.  You  are taking antiparasites stuff  and it does not  mean other people  have  parasites.   Parasites  kill B 12, and  B 12 is very  very important for the  thyroid.

I am sure that I am ok with thyroid and mineral balance,  there was something other problem with me for POIS. That one I confirm from my doctor on 27th.  Lets work together as a whole for this forum. 
I will let you know, the reasons soon.  Any way thanks for your support provided. 

[nathan123]

I received many messages from the members for the early posting of the treatments taken.  Most of them are telling that as I cured from last 25 days, they are telling to post.  further, they told that even if my POIS bounce back on me, they are ready to take it.  Due to this reason, I am posting the treatments taken by me.  But at this time, I can provide only the details of medicines taken.  The scientific reason, causes for POIS, precatutions to be taken, how many days tablets to be taken will post on 1st April. Presently I am having little knowledge on it.  My next appontment with the doctor is on 27th March.  During that time, I will discuss in detail the scientific part of the POIS. 

Medicines taken by me and continuing as of now from the last one month and ten days by me are:


a)Tablet Palsinuron   1-1-1 After food.
b) Kamdudha Ras      2-0-2 Before food.
c)Krumi Kuthar Ras   2-0-2 After food
d) Pathyadi Ghanavati 2-0-2 After food.
e) Amla Juice - 30 ml of amla juice daily after wakeup with 30 ml of water. 

 
Further, we require to restrain from Tomato, Curd, Non-Veg, Alchohol, Oily & Bakery items, Green Chillies, Sweets, Chats, Ice creams.  If not followed this, he told medicines will not work properly and imbalance (doshas) will remain.  I am following strict diet as suggested by him & found the results. 

Further, he told that some of the medicines listed above to be strictly taken under supervision of the doctor as some should be taken only for two months.  Further, he told first Ayurvedic physician requires to diagnoise the patient by checking the pulse rate to determine which part of the body is imbalanced.  Based on this, he prescribed the above medicines for me. 

Note:  Kindly consult your physician if anyone would like start to this.  Don't do self medication.  It is dangerous for your Kidneys and Liver.

When I started this medicine, I started founding reduction in symtoms from the 7th day of the treatment.  Now, my POIS is cured from the past 25 days. 

Earlier, (I think 3 times from Nov 2011 because of a) Herbal life diet b) Neem c) Calcium Channel Blocker )my POIS used to cure only for 5 or 6 days and used to bounce back.  But this time, its already 25 days after successs.  I feel I got the permanent solution due to my effort from November 2011.  I found this forum in October 2011.  I am cured after considering each and everybody's symtoms, various interpretations of POIS, I understand little about medical especially mental symtoms.  I visited all the streams of doctors tested all the organs.  But there is no negative result anywhere except little increase in Estrogen level and AEC is 1500.  Doctors and including new ayurvedic doctor come to a view that the above two are not the reason for my POIS.  Estrogen high (not dominance is due to my excess weight which is due to calcium chanel blocker), AEC due to little Asthama). 

I will discuss the causes for POIS in my next appointment with him on 27th March. 
 
I thank for this forum once more.

Nathan can you ask your doctor at your next appointment if this method will have a permanent result after some period..Because its almost impossibe to follow this strict diet and medicines for your rest of your life.Thanks.

During my 2nd appointment with him.  The following of diet is to cure early by medicine. I discussed this issue and he told that it is only for transitionery period from POIS to NON POIS.  Both diets and tablets required to be take maximum for 2 months as per him.  At that time, everything in the body will be balanced.  Will update after third appointment on 27th. 

[Gbolduev]

Nathan ,

Dont get me wrong I am  very very happy that you are cured. Trust me, I wish you all the best.  But  seriously  all those supps are to control   problems that are mainly caused by thyroid.   
Nervous system  problem is cause by  lack of  lecithin which is  made  from inositol which is  made only when your thyroid is  working really good, TSH 3 and higher is very very slow, even 2 is slow for some people.   
Parasites are possible in India and elsewhere   and   sometimes caused by lacking  of  acid in your stomach which is also controlled by the thyroid.    When you balance   yourself  with these  medicine of yours  ,  you might start getting  right nutrients in  and absorb them, since  right now your problem is malabsorbtion  from low thyroid.

I hope it is  something else, but it is not/     Your estrogen  is higher than  progesterone and  it is also from  low thyroid. Your testosterone is low and  thus  inflammation  exists

This is my take on this,  and I hope you all the best.    GO have  tonns of SEX, you  deserve it.

[urano75]

A quick update on my niacin experiments.
I finally got the recommended brand 100mg cps.
I decided to have a try yesterday, after 2 weeks abstaining from sex.
I took 200mg at 22:20, after 3 hours fasting.
40 mins after waiting for the flush, I took 100mg every 15 mins until I reached 500mg: still no flush.
I had an O around midnight, even without flush.
I had a challenging night with seasonal allergies symptoms despite the anti-histamines and didn't sleep very well.
I have mild flu-like symptoms today, mixed to allergy.

Few considerations and questions:
- Whatever the niacin brand and batch, I can't have a flush now up to 500mg on empty stomach: any ideas why? I remember I sometimes had unwanted flushes in the past with 500mg of niacin after meal.
- Has anyone with seasonal allergies (pollens) noted an aggravation of allergic symptoms (nose, throat irritation) after using niacin?
- I'm not able to say if today I only have light POIS (flu-like pains, cold hands) because of niacin, or for some other factors. Including the fact that 2 weeks of abstention are quite a bit, longer than usual.

[B_Daniel]

Urano, a possible explanation for your lack of flush could be explained by the niacin flush test. herman introduced me to this:

"One way you can test your histamine levels is to buy some nicotinic acid (the niacin that causes the flush) in 50 mg. dose. If you have high histamine levels then you will experience a flush from only 50 mg. dose. If it takes 100 mg. to cause you to flush then you have normal (or balanced) histamine levels. If it takes from 150 mg. to 250 mg. dose of niacin to flush then you have low histamine levels."