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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18460 on: 19/07/2013 02:14:12 »
I was planning on taking vitamin E to reduce prolactin but what is its effect on acetycholine levels, receptors and synthesis?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18461 on: 19/07/2013 09:13:26 »
Unfortunately i have this syndrome,i found out

http://rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseasesw/a/100304.htm
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18462 on: 19/07/2013 14:59:07 »
nathan123

how are you?

kima.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18463 on: 19/07/2013 20:06:29 »
Since the last 3-4 months I hve stopped consuming all milk products,I am feeling a lot better then previously.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18464 on: 20/07/2013 00:46:00 »
My diet has zero cholesterol, thanks to Crohn disease I can't eat meat, no cheese nor fried crap since the immune system attacks my intestinal walls when I eat it, I have experienced pain whit meat consuption, but I developed an egg allergy also. After a while of no eating eggs, I ate two whole eggs and had an asthma attack. Cholesterol is EXTREMELY important for hormone production but I have absolutely none on my diet. Any ideas where I can get my cholesterol?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18465 on: 20/07/2013 06:24:48 »
Even i am allergic to a lot of things like all milk products they make me go crazy like adhd kind of,then metals like in watches,spectacles,belt buckle they react with my skin so I use titanium or plastic spectacles,then ciggrette smoke if I smoke it gives me brain fog ,same goes wiith alcohol,nowadays I have figured a new one that is vaginal fluid after having sex if ii don't wash properly and go to sleep I get reaction on my penile skin my skin doctor diid not believe the last one he gave me an anti histamine and the moment I had iit all the ithcing and redness on the skin goes away.I was told to do the blood ige test and the result was a lot higher then the normal values.i wonder if this allergies have something to do with pois?I have a history of asthama and skin eczema too.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18466 on: 20/07/2013 07:48:55 »
Quote from: fornicationDENIED2 on 20/07/2013 00:46:00
My diet has zero cholesterol, thanks to Crohn disease I can't eat meat, no cheese nor fried crap since the immune system attacks my intestinal walls when I eat it, I have experienced pain whit meat consuption, but I developed an egg allergy also. After a while of no eating eggs, I ate two whole eggs and had an asthma attack. Cholesterol is EXTREMELY important for hormone production but I have absolutely none on my diet. Any ideas where I can get my cholesterol?

Saturated fats mainly boost cholesterol production by the liver, you don't need directly eat cholesterol. Your total cholesterol level should ideally be about 200.
Try to use clarified butter (ghee) which has the casein part removed (but maybe you can tolerate normal butter too). Try to use coconut oil, also for cooking. Use olive oil, but not so much for cooking. Try to see if you can tolerate raw egg yolks. Typically the allergen part is in the white, and cooking the yolks makes them hard to digest and the cholesterol will oxidize. Try using digestive enzymes, especially to help digesting proteins and fats. You can either use a pancreatin+bile mix (especially for digesting fats), or a protease+lipase+amylase+lactase+... mix, plus possibly containing DPP-IV if digesting casein and gluten is an issue.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18467 on: 20/07/2013 16:54:59 »
Hello to everyone.

I am doctor of Mr.Nathan and come to this forum on invitation by Nathan. For first few days, I observed the discussion on the forum and now I am posting my views. Nathan has explained me all the symtoms he has faced. I also seen the old posts where members have described their symtoms.

My view on this problem are as follows:

a) I read the Waldinger paper on this and I agree with the research submitted by him. As he stated, the main problem you are facing is allergic to orgasm. ( I not agree with allergic with semen). 

b) Once Nathan came to me, his AEC count was 1400. First, I provided the medicine to decrease the AEC count. After 10 days, the same came to around 270. But he had orgasm on the next day, suddenly AEC count increased to 1200 again. It confirmed me that, the problem faced by him not a psychological once and has a relation with orgasm.

c) I have seen the report of Nathan and observed that there was no abnormal in any area he was diagnosied except AEC. Hence, I came to a conclusion that so called disease has a link with the Immune system.

d) I would like to highlight here that in my career of 20 years, I have handled around 20 to 30 patients like this where because of no reason, they suffered from Brain fog like in POIS.  But my patients don't know that this is link with orgasm. They just told me that, they are suffering from symtoms you have which is variable every day. I cured all of them. (That treatment I will discuss later).


e) As per my experience and discussion with Nathan, I came to view that after orgasm, immune system of the body would over reach and produce excess histamine. Due to abnormal increase in histamine levels, other hormones and chemicals in the body would vary. Because of this, you would face, physical symptoms and mental symptoms.

f) To Nathan, for first two months, I have prescribed tablets. From this, I initially know that that will provide temprovery relief to him. As expected, he found a temprovery cure.  But to increase his confidence, I told him to he fully covered and symtoms never come again.  But, at that time, I was aware that the main cause of POIS is still in the body and it can come at any time.

g) Accordingly, I suggested the main treatment to Nathan where I told him that it is only to decrease weight and for refreshment (actually it was for removing the cause of POIS from the body). He undergone the treatment in the third month of my consultation i.e. in May and due to that treatment, his prime cause of POIS was removed / balanced from the body and now he is perfectly alright.

h) Before telling the treatment, I want to know some of the things from your side. Please do the following.
   (i) Have AEC count test on the second day of the orgasm (for most of the patients - this will be two times of normal limit).
   (ii) Don't have orgasm for 8 days.
   (iii) From second day to 8th day, please drink 20 to 30 ml of bitter gourd juice daily two times (morning and night - after food).
   (iii) On the 9th day, please have AEC Test.
   (iv) You will notice - your AEC level is in normal.   But I experienced from Nathan, even though the AEC symtoms came to normal, but still there is no relief from cognitive symtoms.  For this I don't have any answer and still not able to find the reason.
 
If the result of the above test as I explained, as per my view the main reason for the POIS is Accumulation of Toxins / Accumulation of Chemicals in body tissues / accumulation of any other waste.  Due to this, your minerals level in the body would be abnormal. Further, the immune system starts to over react for certain situation. As I explained, my earlier patients were having the trigger of this symtoms for different situations.  But in POIS, the immune system is over reacting after Orgasm which results in excess release of histamine resulting in abnormal levels of other chemicals and hormones and finally physical and mental symtoms.

Cure for this:
As explained, the main reason for POIS is accumulation of toxins in body and tissues, which is result of bad life style or may be because of food habits. Hence, the first step in the cure is removal of those accumulation from the body. This will not happen in the ordinary course of life as the accumulation would be in tissues and these will not remove in daily routine.

Hence, for this I suggest to undergone Panchakarma Treatment.  In this treatment, there are three steps which are as follows.

a) First Stage: Objective is to loosen the accumulation of toxins in the body tissues.
Snehana: Application of herbal oils on the body.
Swedana: Applying Steam herbal bath on the body, to move loosen toxins to stomach side.

b) Elimination Stage: In Panchakarma, we have five types of elimination stage, normally one elimination program will be selected depending upon the disease.  For POIS problem, one needs to undergone, Virechana i.e. induced loose motion. Due to this, all the toxins which came to stomach side will be removed from the body.

c) Post Panchakarma Stage: Strict following of diet for 7 to 8 days.

In the above steps, I explained only brief summary of the treatment. Further, in each treatment, there will be many more procedures and use of herbal medicines to achieve the objective and not so simple as explained above.

After, this, body would be free from all the accumulation and all the chemicals and hormones would be normal. From next orgasm, this symtoms will not occur and you will find a cure.  For above treatment, patient requires to admits to Panchakarma centre and it will take approximately 12 to 14 days.

I will visit after 10 days, meanwhile please post the result of the test as I mentioned above. Further, one of the member i.e Gaurav has approached last week and as per suggestion he is starting his Panchakarma treatment from tomorrow.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18468 on: 20/07/2013 17:18:04 »
Same as I  said  many months ago.

But  chelation  therapy even with  herbs  is not good.  And  even after  removing  those toxins from Nathans body ,  POIS will come back, since  accumulation of the metal will proceed,  nothing  changed.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18469 on: 20/07/2013 17:24:18 »
PLus   some of  people here got  POIS at 15 years old.   It has nothing  to do with the life style really, but with  copper imbalance, which is inherited/   Others  might have gotten toxic  over  the years.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18470 on: 20/07/2013 17:27:34 »
The best program  to remove toxins  safely is nutritional balancing,   in which  you  would not chelate  good  minerals  also.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18471 on: 20/07/2013 19:01:47 »
Quote from: kumardtr on 20/07/2013 16:54:59
Hello to everyone.   I am doctor of Mr.Nathan and come to this forum on invitation by Nathan.....
 
Thanks for taking the time to share this information with us.  In the 6 years this forum has been around, we've had very few cases of people finding cures, so the prospect is exciting for us.  With regards to your question about our AEC count, I had mine tested earlier this year.  The lab work was performed one day post orgasm.  My Eosinophil % was 4% out of a 0-5% range, and my Absolute Eosinophil was 0.2 on a 0.0-0.5 K/uL range. 

That said, I certainly don't represent everyone on the forum and I'm interested to see the lab reading of others.  Even more so, I'm interested to hear about Gaurav's results with the panchakarma treatment.  Panchakarma is offered where I live in san francisco, but the cost is prohibitively expensive to try ($200 a day for 12 days).  I'm relying upon those of you in India to try this out and determine whether Nathan's results are repeatable. 

Thanks again.
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« Reply #18472 on: 20/07/2013 19:06:28 »
Virechana: Purgation Therapy
When excess bile, Pitta, is secreted and accumulated in the gall bladder, liver and small intestine, it tends to result in rashes, skin inflammation, acne, chronic attacks of fever, vomiting, nausea and jaundice. Ayurvedic literature suggests in these conditions the administration of therapeutic purgation or a therapeutic laxative.

Copper is released with bile/

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18473 on: 20/07/2013 19:08:38 »
My AEC count was also  normal after orgasm.   Since POIS was infection based and not  inflammation based.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18474 on: 20/07/2013 19:09:43 »
Daniel ,

you  are not  online?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18475 on: 20/07/2013 19:47:12 »
I'm back...
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18476 on: 21/07/2013 14:51:04 »
POIS is basically  cancer.  And the cure for  POIS is the same as for cancer.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18477 on: 22/07/2013 10:33:07 »
Nathan's doctor - thank you very much for taking the time to read the posts on this forum and to make a post outlining your theory & treatment.
I have a couple of questions for you. How much difference is there between a AEC test and an Immunoglobulin E blood test?
I have not had AEC before but had my IgE levels checked. I don't have the reading but I remember my doctor telling me I was in top 0.2% of the population, so it must have been pretty high. I have numerous food intolerances and chemical sensitivities. Is a very high IgE as good as a high eosinophil count?

You said you wanted Nathan to lose weight.  I assume to help release toxins stored in body fat. Was he overweight?
What about if the person is underweight and has body fat levels under 5%. (this is me). I have actually had reduced POIS when I have managed to put on weight or have been on anabolics. When I was younger I did colonics and they helped my allergies and helped somewhat with my POIS. I did them again a few years ago and no difference. I have been living a pretty healthy lifestyle though. I would be interested in Panchakarma if I could do some of the procedure at home and some at clinic. Like someone else posted above, the resort clinics were I live offer it as part of a stay there package and it is not cheap.
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« Reply #18478 on: 22/07/2013 19:09:14 »
Nathan's doctor - thank you very much for taking the time to read the posts on this forum and to make a post outlining your theory & treatment.

helps coffee enemas?

thank you.
« Last Edit: 22/07/2013 19:14:30 by Kima »
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #18479 on: 23/07/2013 05:40:10 »
I am a new patient


How can contact Nathan doctor? (phone or mobile or email )

plzzzzzzzzzzzz
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