[Gbolduev]

Nathan has   high estradiol on his blood test, and  took zinc for 25 days, after which he claims he had  high blood pressure  from B6, ok that is possible.  But  zinc   decreased  your estradiol  100% / and    then he met  Kumar.  you guys are funny.    Zinc decreased your  estradiol  my friend.  Then you drank  vitamin C  to  increase your sodum level  and you were fine,

[Gbolduev]

Nathan, 

I go by  the science that was   founded by dr Eck, who was  world class biochemist and who cured  huge number of people from all kind of deseases including cancer and diabetes and  alzheimers  and parkinsons. I dont make this stuff up.  And  I  go by blood and  hair tests, which  show me exactly what is  going on.  That is why it is hard for me to  accept some  theories that are based on  nothing.   I have  over hundreds of tests from people and many many hairtests. I see where the problem is exactly.

[RD]

I go by  the science that was   founded by dr Eck, who was  world class biochemist and who cured  huge number of people from all kind of deseases including cancer and diabetes and  alzheimers  and parkinsons ...

Is that the same "Dr. Paul C. Eck " who founded " Analytical Research Laboratories Inc " in  Arizona ? ...

In 1986, Analytical Research Laboratories (ARL) of Phoenix, Arizona signed a consent agreement with the New York State Attorney General to stop "soliciting and accepting hair specimens for laboratory examination where the purpose is to determine possible excesses of deficiencies in nutrient mineral levels or toxic metal levels in the body."

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

... dr Eck, who was  world class biochemist and who cured  huge number of people from all kind of deseases including cancer and diabetes and  alzheimers  and parkinsons ...

The idea that any person has or can be cured of Alzheimer's is absurd : the disease causes irreversible damage to their brain ...

A cure for AD [ Alzheimer's Disease] appears unlikely when significant cognitive loss has occurred because the neuronal networks that controlled the perturbed cognitive abilities are either dead or irreversibly damaged and replacing them, even if it were technically possible, would not reconstruct the intellectual identity of the host.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20182017

A therapy which allegedly cures a wide range of unrelated illnesses, i.e. a panacea, usually cures nothing except fat-wallet syndrome.

[Gbolduev]

RD,

it is not a pancea, it wont work  on alzheimers on  every case,  although I  saw people  who got rid of  so called uncurable desease.
I know people who got rid of cancer  this year.  I cured myself of  POIS and dystonia, some people on russian forum came out and  claimed  POIS free,  you can check that also.  And I had  diabetes and ichemia  people cured

So please., give facts  not some   bs articles.

[Gbolduev]

RD,

QUACK watch  is for someone who does not know how to read that stuff.  I  compared  a lot of work comparing blood and  hair and urine at the same time. And it all  matched,   we even  compared blood  and hair with some people on this forum ,   and  those people got much better by  balancing what we found. 

It is funny  how can biochemistry   be quack?     Hair at ARL perfectly matches    blood,    I mean    pefectly.   I am not sure  about other labs, I dont even try them.  PLus I can balance a person  from  blood tests also.   

[Gbolduev]

I dont work for ARL and I  make no money  helping people, I  change ARL programs when I think they are wrong.  But   ARLs hairtest is the best in the industry. Their corrective programs have  many  questions

[RD]

... it wont work  on alzheimers on  every case,  although I  saw people  who got rid of  so called uncurable desease ...
... So please., give facts  not some   bs articles.

It's a fact that Alzheimers causes irreversible brain damage : so is not curable, not in any case ...

Alzheimer’s disease is an irreversible, progressive brain disease that slowly destroys memory and thinking skills, and eventually even the ability to carry out the simplest tasks.

http://www.nia.nih.gov/alzheimers/publication/alzheimers-disease-fact-sheet

I dont work for ARL and I  make no money  helping people ...

I never said you did, you doth protest too much.

[Gbolduev]

RD,  they dont know what alzheimers is,  all those articles and studies  are being done now, they are 20 years past what dr ECk did in the  80s,  this is really pathetic....Studies coming out not , proving what the  guy did in the 80s and 90s.

Same as Phfiefer...

Humanity is getting  "stupider" I guess.    It is like in that movie  "Idiocracy""    BALLS will be soon a  show  that we all watch...

[fornicationDENIED2]

I forgot that I had a corticosteroid injection for back pain which explains the symptoms I described last post, clumsy me. I also had a test some time ago after of estrogen before the injection and when pois reduced.Estrogen was very low on the low range of spectrum, but the results got lost . Back pain was reduced greatly, but I feel weak, low testosterone, poor concentration etc. Modern medicine sucks, I need a terminal illness and so that I can visit like 20 specialists to get any test done and then waste money on drugs that ruin my life .

[gondal4]

hermna,can you tell me what thing cures werner syndrome and save my life becuase there is not treamnet yet found,only vitamin c and i dont know how much.?

[gondal4]

And secondle how to do relaible gene test online as in pakistan gene test not availble.i have all the symptoms wrn gene mutation that is werner sydrome but not tested yet

[Gbolduev]

Gonda,

Why do you think you  have werner syndrom.. Premature  aging  could be from  many imbalances.  Collagen loss,  wrinkly skin  and so  forth .. These are  symptoms of copper deficiency.. Same as POIS,    copper could be deficient or  toxic  in POIS,    in both cases you would get low ceruloplasmin and high histamines.

[victor.kons]

Hi All,

Lets discuss the following, bit by bit:

From the tests that I recieved  recently,  almost every single  person   has low ceruloplasmin   in their blood.   

What do you mean by saying low?
From the blood tests of POIS-sufferers I see on the Russian Forum for Ceruloplasmin all results are within the reference range 15-60 mg/dL
Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_ranges_for_blood_tests
Blood Test Results for POIS sufferers:
http://zdoroforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1229

Ceruloplasmin  is  copper based protein that  binds copper and carries it all over  including  into  the bile to detox. 
Bear with me,    you  have copper  in your serum and 95% of that copper should be bound to ceruloplasmin.

This is incorrect or outdated. The correct at the moment is: "Ceruloplasmin carries about 70% of the total copper in human plasma while albumin carries about 15%". Proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceruloplasmin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19076073

To test it  people  have  serum copper test and  ceruloplasmin tests,  from  which  you get  free copper  content.   

Okay, this way you are trying to estimate non-ceruloplasmin bound copper or "free copper", but as discussed below, this estimation is unreliable, e.g. one cannot reliably determine free copper based on ceruloplasmin blood test and serum copper test:
http://www.clinchem.org/content/51/8/1558.full

Free copper  equals free estrogens  which  affect your inflammatory  systems.

I can't find any proof of this in medical literature. Could you provide anything that supports this claim?

I'm going to continue with the rest of this post later.

Thanks,
Victor

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

NCC  sometimes gives you negative  values,  not because calculation is not reliable  , but because   serum  copper is not  adjusted for age or sex and ceruloplasmin  correctly.
If you dont trust  these  calculations which I  do the correct way ,  you can always do  direct free copper test.

There are  formulas  that  calculate  free levels using albumin   multiple also , same as for calcium.

You can  test  free estradiol and compare  it with  your free copper levels,  which will correlate/
You cant find this stuff on the internet.)))

I dont  look at studies , I am far past that  crap, only  my own  tests from now on.
Since 90% of all the studies  are  bogus , And  I can always find  you  2 or 3 contradicting  studies . 

Values that I  present  completely  match  hairtests with 100% accuracy , if you know how to read the  hairtest correctly
Most of the time  I ask for both blood and hair .

Ceruloplasmin  value

[Gbolduev]

Ceruloplasmin  values usually range  from 20 to 60,   


Same as for  thyroid hormone  FT3,    range can be from 1 to 5 lets say ....you think  having FT3 =1 is normal?     you will be already  very much hypothyroid.( you will have panic attacks at  FT3=1)    but to you  it is  in the normal range..  Same is for  the ranges for almost every mineral... It is not the outside of the  range  that I look at  but I look at  relationship with other  minerals.   I thought you knew that. 
 

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

Your wikepidia   article  states on ranges..
Since you read this article  I dont understand your questions. 
 
The answers are right there.



Usual or optimal
Reference ranges are usually given as what are the usual (or normal) values found in the population, more specifically the prediction interval that 95% of the population fall into. This may also be called standard range. In contrast, optimal (health) range or therapeutic target is a reference range or limit that is based on concentrations or levels that are associated with optimal health or minimal risk of related complications and diseases. For most substances presented, the optimal levels are the ones normally found in the population as well. More specifically, optimal levels are generally close to a central tendency of the values found in the population. However, usual and optimal levels may differ substantially, most notably among vitamins and blood lipids, so these tables give limits on both standard and optimal (or target) ranges.

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

The example  for NCC and adjusted copper.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16644878

 I thought about everything , believe me.

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

I guess it is your way   to make me do  your research for you..)))   
You know how busy I am .....

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

Copper deficiency or coppper toxicity will both lead to  low ceruloplasmin .  Also  most of the people will have  Low  NA/K 
ratio.  Since  good estrogen  increases  aldosterone production  which retains  sodium  into the cell, the lack of it  will   impact sodium levels and   manganese levels...since good estrogen  retains manganese /  Manganese   usually  inhibits  acetylcholinestarase    raising  acetylcholine levels . 
When  ratio dopamine acetlylcholine or    serotonin acetylcholine gets  impaired  you  get problems.

Also  your thyroid  can be  suppresed my mercury,   in that case   adrenals will compensate by  secreting  extra  cortisol  to support Potassium in the  cell.    But that would lead to  a  so called adrenals fatigue, since  aldosterone  and sodium levels  suffer because of that, and also  your immune system  suffers.


Cheers,
Herman

[Gbolduev]

Victor,

I think this  one is better explaning   copper adjustment if you still interested in  calculations...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1860450/

If not  do the free copper, the problem is that  it is rarely  could be obtained in Russia, as you probably know.