[Gbolduev]

B-JIM

POIS is not about manganese. It is about balance.  I feed certain  ratios at certain times.  Lets say     you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person  will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.  The results will be completely  different,  It is the exact ratio what matters, not  feeding the mineral.

[Prancer]

Interesting about the olive leaf extract herman mentioned a few posts back. GoingCrazy has had some really great results with taking OLE. He talks about it in the other forum.

[fornicationDENIED2]

many zinc supplements are chelated, mine are Zinc Gluconate, does this have any disadvantage?

[acronym]

Plus I  prefer to   do a step method  that I developed , this way  I dont get the conflicts between minerals as I saw happen on standard ARL programs.
Herman  - can you give me an example of the above ^.
             - The tests that Gringo had in his spreadsheet, do you know if this is from hair or saliva or blood serum?
Love reading a success story like Gringo's.

you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.
So that guys do not have to inundate you and can maybe take the initiative themselves... can you say what determines the difference here between these 2 cases. Is it simply the case that person A had lower levels of zinc in his hair/saliva/blood to begin with?

[acronym]

Interesting about the olive leaf extract herman mentioned a few posts back. GoingCrazy has had some really great results with taking OLE. He talks about it in the other forum.

OLE gets raved about, but I found it useless. I noticed more benefit from black seed oil, which I took for a little while. If it was on the store shelves instead of OLE, then I'd see it and be inclined to give it a run again. I had to order it online.

[Prancer]

It's definitely very exciting to read Gringo's success story! Thank you for sharing Gringo's story with us victor.kons. When Daniel is cured I'll be very confident and comfortable trying this out for myself. He has constant POIS like me and has tried almost everything, so if it works for him then it might work for me and a lot of other sufferers.

This month is my 10-year anniversary for getting POIS, and I can't think of a better place to be as far as progress toward a cure.

[B_Daniel]

Plus I  prefer to   do a step method  that I developed , this way  I dont get the conflicts between minerals as I saw happen on standard ARL programs.
Herman  - can you give me an example of the above ^.
             - The tests that Gringo had in his spreadsheet, do you know if this is from hair or saliva or blood serum?
Love reading a success story like Gringo's.

you give one preson 15 mg manganese and 30 zinc and the other person will get 15 mg and 15 zinc.
So that guys do not have to inundate you and can maybe take the initiative themselves... can you say what determines the difference here between these 2 cases. Is it simply the case that person A had lower levels of zinc in his hair/saliva/blood to begin with?

Gringo's tests are blood tests.  (If you got a hair test done you'd see that the hair test looks completely different).  Hair tests can only be done every 3 months or so but if you really want to be precise you can do blood tests every month and balance yourself based off that.  That's what Gringo did.  This hasn't been possible for me because of how expensive blood tests are n America.  (In my opinion, for the average person here, the hair test is easy to get and is easier to interpret and is a good starting point.  If blood tests are easier to get though then get those.  Many people like Andrea like to do both and compare the results).

In regards to the 15mg zinc/ 15 mg manganese vs 30mg zinc / 15mg manganese, Herman sent me a study a while back (can't find anymore) which Carl Pfeiffer did and showed that if you give someone 30mg or more of zinc, then manganese won't be absorbed.  Also, zinc alone causes a decrease in manganese so eventually you want to also take manganese if you're taking zinc... hence a balance.  http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml

[B_Daniel]

When Daniel is cured I'll be very confident and comfortable trying this out for myself. He has constant POIS like me and has tried almost everything, so if it works for him then it might work for me and a lot of other sufferers.

This month is my 10-year anniversary for getting POIS, and I can't think of a better place to be as far as progress toward a cure.

Although I have maintained my pois was never that bad (as compared with many people here who sleep most the day and can't even almost hold down a job), the truth is I was pretty badly off.  My anxiety was sky high and i wanted to avoid people almost all the time.  Even if I had a week off of work, I'd become burned out within 3 days back.  My energy levels were significantly worse than the 64 yr old I am friendly with that officed down the hall from me, and worse than the 73 year old who once came to visit me in San Fran.  (He wanted to go to a museum after walking around in the morning and I was too tired). My levels as indicated by my hair test confirm how bad I was when I started too.  It has me wondering whether Constant Pois is just a worse version of regular Pois.
 
Anyway, I think this is why it's taking me so long to improve via nutritional balancing.  I've had a long way to go.  But fortunately my body has responded very well to the treatment.  Everything I've taken has caused my levels to improve.  Yesterday I hiked all over Barcelona all day and didn't crash.  That said, it was 7 days after my last O.  I still couldn't do that 2 days after an O.  But 6 months ago I couldn't do that ever.  So it's a definite improvement.

Over the last 2.5 years of researching my pois, I've tried a lot of things.  I'd venture to say I've spent as much money on it over the last 2.5 years as anyone here.  And due to trying so many things, within 2 days of trying some things and feeling 10% better, I'd be convinced there was a 95% chance I was on my way to being cured.  This happened over and over again and I've never felt more false hope or despair in my life.  This is why I tried to institute the 2-week rule on the forum and it's why I've been so cautious in recommending Herman's protocol.  Honestly, I'm not going to admit to myself that I'm on my way to being cured until I have over a month straight of feeling really good.  And I'm still a long way away from that happening.

But if you're sitting on the sidelines waiting for more examples of people being cured, just realize that the balancing takes a long time.  And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.       

[Gbolduev]

Daniel,

It would be wise to mention that  balancing in reality  should be done monthly since I prefer to  feed in steps. And in your case we completed step 1  in half a year,  since we did not get tested before  that. It could be partially my fault since you were one of the first people I  started to balance and my evaluation system was  weak and got stronger  when time passed.  As we started  phase 2 with you  recently   you have   experienced this bump up and now   we will start phase 3 after you finish your tests in Barcelona and I think within  couple  of weeks you could report your  condition again.   After what I saw on your hairtest,   the recovery from  phase 3 would be  much faster, same as it happened in Gringos  case.  Recovery is really  slow in the begining, since I am not  trying  to make you feel bad,  and feeding  couple of ratios at a time , instead of all together.
USA medical setup sucks,  most people can be tested whenever they want  and as oftern they want, but in the states you have to  go thru doctors and pay fees to those  A...Holes.

[B_Daniel]

Herman tell us how you really feel about doctors, hahaha

[Kima]

Herman tell us how you really feel about doctors, hahaha

Doctors are killers!) ахахх

[Gbolduev]

Daniel, 

You have 3 rows  of letters on  your keyboard,   the first letters  of each row on your left side of the keyboard are   Q , A  and Z  and on the right side are P, L, M .   There are 10 lettters in the first row which we call  row A,  so letter Q will be A1 and letter P would be A10.  Second row has  9 letters,  so  second row we call B and letter A in the second row will be B1 and letter L in the second row will be B9.   Third row  we will call row C, and  first letter in that row will be Z which in my language  will be  C1,  and the last letter in that row will be M which will be C7.    So now   I have my own language and  I can express  everything in  a child friendly manner according to the rules of this forum.

So this  is what  I call doctors:

C7 A9 A5 B6 A3  A4 B4 A7 C3 B8 A3 A4 B2


I hope you get it)))

[B_Daniel]

Thanks for clearing that up for us! 

[Prancer]

And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.     

Great advice! My concern was that the hair test results would not be valid if I waited too long, so I was thinking that the results should be as current as possible. But do things over time or pretty much stay the same even several months or a year in the future? Also, is it required to abstain during the nutritional balancing? Thanks!

[LAPOISSE2]

What about lyme disease ? I noticed there is several person's here claimed having been diagnosed for Lyme...

Coincidence ?

[Maciej]

victor.kons

Thank's for sharing this good news with us.
I have almost the same blood results as you before treatment. Can you present what dosages of which supplements did you take every month. I will try the same protocol.

[B_Daniel]

And in the meantime, you may as well get a hair test done just to have it on hand so that IF more people do come out with positive results, you're not delayed an extra 4 weeks.  Those are my 2 cents are the issue.     

Great advice! My concern was that the hair test results would not be valid if I waited too long, so I was thinking that the results should be as current as possible. But do things over time or pretty much stay the same even several months or a year in the future? Also, is it required to abstain during the nutritional balancing? Thanks!

Currently, your body is pulled in a certain direction.  The hair test, which shows your body over a month-long period of time, will show the general direction your body.  So if they're a few months old to begin with I don't think that's a big deal.  You still have the correct general information to start the program.  Upon retests you want current hair tests so you know more precisely where your body is so you can make more subtle changes at that point.  Note, the supplements you take the day of the test with a hair test don't matter.  Blood tests represent your body on a specific day, so are the most susceptible to changes.  Those tests need to be as current as possible for an accurate reading.  Plus, the supplements you've taken that day will influence the results. 

You also asked about the need to abstain during the balancing.  I think you'd get better more quickly if you abstained.  Each time you O you push your body further in the wrong direction.  However as long as you're not masturbating too frequently, the supplements will outweigh the orgasms and you'll improve.  I certainly have not abstained for the last 8 months.

[forbidden6]

Hi,

do you think I can make a hair test after a liver flush or it will affect the result of the test?

[Prancer]

Great, TY!

[RD]

C7 A9 A5 B6 A3  A4 B4 A7 C3 B8 A3 A4 B2

You sank my battleship !

[ if you had your own forum / blog elsewhere you wouldn't need to censor yourself ]