[MrVat7]

Update for SSBT | POIS.

POISers have uneasy episodes every time after an ejaculation because of the immune reaction triggered by spilled sperms. Now the question arises that why do not build up a tolerance to those spilled sperms ? Here's the answer.  There is tolerance builded up in POISers against spilled sperms and this is shown by presence Antisperm antibodies in POISers. I got tested and got 61U/ml. This means a Positive result. Sperms have strong antigens on there surface. If this were not so then Sperms would have died entering vaginal track which is acidic . It takes time to kill spilled sperms.

Our body only creates enough of antibodies that are required. To solve a spill of say 0.5 ml of sperms 61U/ml of antibodies are enough. Each globule of antibody gets attached to a single sperm. And that way all the antibodies are engaged to kill say a million sperms. Body does not feel that more of antibodies are required as the immunity is winning. Now due to presence of strong antigens on surface of sperms, it takes almost a week to kill those sperms. As the antibody has to first remove those antigens and then antibodies can finally harm sperm. Till the spilled sperms are killed and removed from bloodstream , vasoconstriction takes place. Due to vasoconstriction brain gets lesser of blood supply and gets oxygen depleted. The foggy thinking that a POISer feels are the symptoms of cerebral hypoxia, It is just brain getting less of blood.

MrVat7

[meteo74]

I think if we make a comparison between a sick person(pois man) and another healthy man (Laboratory testing) I think this will greatly benefit..

[gcrisp]

Mr Vat-7
You may be wrong about the male/female assumption, judging by the personal emails I have received since posting.
It seems women can have just as traumatic events (and virtually identical symptoms) following orgasm as men do, but are much shyer talking about it.
I don't even start to assume that my ideas are the solution to everyone's problems, but if my ideas help the few who are willing to try, well, job done.
You keep identifying triggers, not what is being triggered. The only complete solution is to treat what is being triggered, then the triggers will have no effect.
Then it will be like pulling the trigger on a gun with no bullets loaded!
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[Z_Two]

Hi guys,,,,

Also and following my first post; I would like to emphasize the importance of mitochondrial function or cellular energy.

It seems as we grow older & as stress accumulates our mitochodrial functions decrease gradualy to the point where failure of adaptation becomes the state of the body. Thus, under serious conditions, a refractory period would take a couple of days to resolve rather than an hour or two and due to poor functional reserves.  Coq10 would be the enzyme of choice to counter poor mitochondrias.

On the other hand, I am currently investigating regarding Relora which is no doubt a very interesting product with the fact that it boosts DHEA (the mother of all hormones) by almost 200% and considerably lowers cortisol ( high during stressful periods). 

I have no doubt in my mind that if we human beings lived in Utopias or paradisco islands then most of us woudn't even need to be on this forum,,,,Matter of truth is that our societies and lifestyles have become too much for the human body to handle on the long run,,,which is why in my opinion the natural recovery & resistance process & buffer of our bodies are failing miserably.

Thanks for reading.

[Z_Two]

Z_Two
great reading
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Thanks G,,,hope I was somehow insightful at least. Cheers.

[MrVat7]

GCrisp

Well to stop fire we have to pour water onto the source of fire and not on the fire, same way in solving POIS , on must find the root cause of POIS. There may be some fault occurring in mitochondria , but then mitochondria does not cause Pois . Mitochondria does not have anything to do with orgasm. Well there is fatigue in POISers, it is due to autoimmine response caused by an orgasm. and if there was some lack of cellular energy then simply Taking glucose would provide enough energy to solve POIS. Unfortunately that does not happen to cure POIS.  First cause is to be found and then the cure. I hope you understand what I am saying. POIS is essentially and autoimmune response caused by spilled sperms.

[Z_Two]

MrVat7,

No offense,,,but I beleive you're being not very judgmental here especialy using which I would call : " A somehow overconfident tone"  You say that POIS is an autoimmune ---> Well many POIS sufferers have tested negative to any kind of autoimmune disease thus POIS could be an autoimmune for some but not necessarly!!!!

Second, you say mitochondria has nothing to do with POIS! Really? Well how come Chronic fatigue Syndrome, Cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer and many others are all related to mitocondri dysfunction???!! Aren't we talking about fatigue symtoms regarding the same human body??!!

Again no offense but with such kind of reasoning I beleive you are not puring water on fire as you say but rather puring fuel on fire with added super octane gazoline!!!! Spilling sperm is not the core of problem here otherwise all people that had vasectomies would have been cured,,,,but they're not!!!

So please if you wanna say something with such a confident tone at least share us some scientific proof to back it up. Otherwise anyone could come up with any kind of claim like sugar has nothing to do with cancer!!!! Where sugar is the food of cancer cells!!!!!!

Please be realstic & like G said keep your gun unloaded,,,beacuse I say: Watch out not to shoot yourself in the foot!!!!

Enjoy while having a smoothie,,,Smokn'

[MrVat7]

Z_two
Please prove theory about mitochondria dysfunction. I am not being overconfident, I am just confident about my theory.
Till your theory is concerned , can you please tell why does a poiser feels Periodic fatigue ? by periodic I mean everytime after an ejaculation ? And all the syndromes you listed you listed have fatigue/mitochondria dysfunction for relatively longer time .  How mitochondria  does gets disturbed after a ejaculation ?

[gcrisp]

MrVat7
I really don't think it is up to Z_Two to prove anything.
One has to listen, in order to hear.
As I said earlier, this is not a problem just for males. Please stop assuming it is, because that really changes the whole ball game.

I no longer have POIS, whereas prior to taking action to improve my mitochondrial metabolism I could do nothing other than total abstinence. I have now been totally free for 3 months. Prior to that I suffered for endless years.

SO, I no longer suffer from POIS.  Now, Please tell me if it is the same for you. Have you found a long term solution? I think not.
Your condition may be different than mine, I am not saying one way or the other, but I see so many similarities.

When I was younger my condition was diagnosed as a classical migraine attack, but then of course, I was jerking off regularly. A classical migraine attack can easily last a week. I posted the information from the migraine site earlier. (post 19908). Classic migraine attacks can be so severe and debilitating, that you would swear you are having a stroke. It is an absolute known and proven fact that there are many triggers for a migraine attack.
But migraine is just one of many similar types of scenarios.

A young teenage lass walks into a new disco she has never been in before. She suffers from mild epilepsy. Her life is generally good.
Next thing she is writhing on the floor.
It was the orange lights flashing at a certain rate that was the trigger.
Shall we turn the orange lights off? NO shout the rest of the guys and gals present, no way.
So one has to live with our personal triggers, and try and manage the root cause of the problem. With Epilepsy, that is a tall ask.

With migraine and similar vascular constrictive events, there are solutions.
I have found a way of moving back from the cliff, so the normal triggers (especially orgasm) are ignored. Have you?

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[Z_Two]

For those of you who have some time please read through those two very interesting links which could very much expand our current insights & pool of knowledge, they talk about CFS not POIS ; CFS is the general globaly know condition that would encompass any kind of chronic fatigue and before the term POIS even existed. But as you'll notice throughout the readings that the theories that they highlight are pretty interesting & worth sheding the ligth on!

Enjoy :

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Central_Cause:_Mitochondrial_Failure [nofollow]
http://www.drrobertamorgan.com/chronic-fatigue-syndromefibromyalgia-cfsf.htm [nofollow]

[gcrisp]

fabulous links Z_two:
Pace - do not use up energy faster than your mitos can supply it.
Feed the mitochondria - supply the raw material necessary for the mitochondria to heal themselves and work efficiently. This means feeding the mitos correctly so they can heal and repair.
Address the underlying causes as to why mitochondria have been damaged. This must also be put in place to prevent ongoing damage to mitos. In order of importance this involves:
Pacing activities to avoid undue stress to mitos
Getting excellent sleep so mitos can repair
Excellent nutrition with respect to:
taking a good range of micronutrient supplements
stabilising blood sugar levels
identifying allergies to foods
Detoxifying to unload heavy metals, pesticides, drugs, social poisons (alcohol,tobacco etc) and volatile organic compounds, all of which which poison mitos.
Addressing the common problem of hyperventilation
Address the secondary damage caused by mitochondrial failure such as immune disturbances resulting in allergies and autoimmunity, poor digestive function, hormone gland failure, slow liver detoxification.
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[MrVat7]

I think few here are getting confused between POIS and CFS

[gcrisp]

So, for us confused plebes
what is your definition of POIS?

mine is major trauma after orgasm, lasting up to a week
what is your definition?

g

[Z_Two]

fabulous links Z_two:
Pace - do not use up energy faster than your mitos can supply it.
Feed the mitochondria - supply the raw material necessary for the mitochondria to heal themselves and work efficiently. This means feeding the mitos correctly so they can heal and repair.
Address the underlying causes as to why mitochondria have been damaged. This must also be put in place to prevent ongoing damage to mitos. In order of importance this involves:
Pacing activities to avoid undue stress to mitos
Getting excellent sleep so mitos can repair
Excellent nutrition with respect to:
taking a good range of micronutrient supplements
stabilising blood sugar levels
identifying allergies to foods
Detoxifying to unload heavy metals, pesticides, drugs, social poisons (alcohol,tobacco etc) and volatile organic compounds, all of which which poison mitos.
Addressing the common problem of hyperventilation
Address the secondary damage caused by mitochondrial failure such as immune disturbances resulting in allergies and autoimmunity, poor digestive function, hormone gland failure, slow liver detoxification.
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Thank you for summarizing this nicely G. I am a stong beleiver that every human disease or illness has mitochodrial failure as a root cause,,,but that's just my opinion without claiming that's right or wrong as not to sound biased & over confident!

[Z_Two]

I think few here are getting confused between POIS and CFS

Dear, No one is getting confused! We're just exploring common grounds regarding common symptoms & regarding a common human body! Those links were posted to emphasize the Mitochondrial failure theory,,,If you want something related to both MF & sexual symtoms just google both key words combined and see how interesting it gets! But I am not going to spend my day doing secondary research & keep on posting links to try convincing you on anything. We're just brainstorming here,,,,None of us are savants or epic geniuses otherwise we'd be already cured long time ago!We're all sufferers and trying to help each other,,,So no need to question every proposition in a defensive attitude,,,Try to understand posters perspective first before judging them as being confused and which is quite offending by the way especialy to long time POIS sufferes who probably already have done tons of reading before posting what passes through their minds as possible key in unsolving the POIS damn puzzle!

Thank U.

[MrVat7]

So, for us confused plebes
what is your definition of POIS?

mine is major trauma after orgasm, lasting up to a week
what is your definition?

g

Refer this wikipedia article >

Symptoms usually appear within half an hour of orgasm and resolve after a few days.[3][4] The sufferer experiences mental symptoms, physical symptoms, or both. Common mental symptoms include cognitive dysfunction, intense discomfort, irritability, anxiety, craving for relief, susceptibility to nervous system stresses (e.g. common cold), depressed mood, and difficulty communicating, remembering words, reading and retaining information, concentrating, and socialising.[1][3][4][5] Physical symptoms include severe fatigue, mild to severe headache, and flu-like and allergy-like symptoms, such as sneezing, itchy eyes, nasal irritation, and muscle pain.[3][4] Affected individuals may also experience intense warmth or cold.[1][2]

There are as many symptoms that occur after an orgasm in POISers , not trauma. Many individuals get confused between POIS and some other syndrome / disorder. If you suffer from all the symptoms described above^ then you have POIS orelse something else. You may be suffering from few of the symptoms but that does not mean you have POIS. 'Almost' all the symptoms should match in order to suffer from POIS. For example POIS symptoms nearly match with that of MDD. POISer feels the symptoms after an ejaculation and recover within a week and MDD patient suffers for longer time ,say like 5-6 months .

There are many reasons for fatigue ( chronic ) to occur, not just mitochondria dysfunction . Getting severely vasoconstricted also causes fatigue , sleep too causes fatigue, exercise causes fatigue , low blood oxygen level causes fatigue .. and there are many more. Reason why I am focusing on triggers is that by that one can distinguish the reason behind occurrence a symptom .

POIS is not caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. Because If it was mitochondria dysfunction then it would take almost a month to recover for POISer and mitochondria enhancing drugs like ATP would help . Unfortunately these class of medicines do not help POISers . POIS-Fatigue is caused by Vasoconstriction. Vasodilating drugs like niacin helps to relieve fatigue and maintain proper bloodflow to organs.

MrVat7

[Z_Two]

So, for us confused plebes
what is your definition of POIS?

mine is major trauma after orgasm, lasting up to a week
what is your definition?

g

Refer this wikipedia article >

Symptoms usually appear within half an hour of orgasm and resolve after a few days.[3][4] The sufferer experiences mental symptoms, physical symptoms, or both. Common mental symptoms include cognitive dysfunction, intense discomfort, irritability, anxiety, craving for relief, susceptibility to nervous system stresses (e.g. common cold), depressed mood, and difficulty communicating, remembering words, reading and retaining information, concentrating, and socialising.[1][3][4][5] Physical symptoms include severe fatigue, mild to severe headache, and flu-like and allergy-like symptoms, such as sneezing, itchy eyes, nasal irritation, and muscle pain.[3][4] Affected individuals may also experience intense warmth or cold.[1][2]

There are as many symptoms that occur after an orgasm in POISers , not trauma. Many individuals get confused between POIS and some other syndrome / disorder. If you suffer from all the symptoms described above^ then you have POIS orelse something else. You may be suffering from few of the symptoms but that does not mean you have POIS. 'Almost' all the symptoms should match in order to suffer from POIS. For example POIS symptoms nearly match with that of MDD. POISer feels the symptoms after an ejaculation and recover within a week and MDD patient suffers for longer time ,say like 5-6 months .

There are many reasons for fatigue ( chronic ) to occur, not just mitochondria dysfunction . Getting severely vasoconstricted also causes fatigue , sleep too causes fatigue, exercise causes fatigue , low blood oxygen level causes fatigue .. and there are many more. Reason why I am focusing on triggers is that by that one can distinguish the reason behind occurrence a symptom .

POIS is not caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. Because If it was mitochondria dysfunction then it would take almost a month to recover for POISer and mitochondria enhancing drugs like ATP would help . Unfortunately these class of medicines do not help POISers . POIS-Fatigue is caused by Vasoconstriction. Vasodilating drugs like niacin helps to relieve fatigue and maintain proper bloodflow to organs.

MrVat7

MrVat7 how would you know that it would take almost a month to recover? There is no precise time to recover dear,,,it depends on everyone 's body predispoition & own lifestyle as well as utilized means to recover.

Vasconstriction is a symptom not a cause . Yes Niacin does help some but not everyone & especialy those who are not deficient in Niacin !

All recent researches in the last decade are pointing out to the role mitonchondrial failure as the root cause of almost every illness know to humans. Add to that, that I was diagnosed myself with MF & took me yearz to improve & still not back to normal.

So simply & respectfuly allow me to tell you that I do not converge with any of your claims. Take care.

[MrVat7]

Z_Two
Taking your example , you are suffering from MF since years, but POISers recover within a week , Then it cannot be mitochondria failure like you are suffering . You are not suffering from POIS , Please do not diagnose yourself wrong.

[Z_Two]

Z_Two
Taking your example , you are suffering from MF since years, but POISers recover within a week , Then it cannot be mitochondria failure like you are suffering . You are not suffering from POIS , Please do not diagnose yourself wrong.

MrVat you seem very knowledgable and apparently you possess of a very hig IQ combined with very rich wanking experience and maybe a Cristal ball in hand . So we will leave the POIS case with your highness,,,but we'll be of course expecting you to provide us with a cure,,,,thousands of POIS sufferers around the globe as well as the whole world of science awaits for your conclusions & advices. Chill I am so excited about this,,,,good luck & we'll sure be watching you 

[gcrisp]

Hey Z_Two
Perhaps we are all on the wrong thread here. Maybe our friend is the only one who really has POIS?
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