[LAPOISSE2]

I got sick just after doing vaccine for Africa ; (yellow fever, B hepatitis) ; just found out they contain mercury.

[vik1379]

I'm not a doctor and I understand you have full trust in what your doctor told you...

I've been through hell, made my investigation and only thing I'm encouraging is to do the same. Think for yourself and think about all the symptoms you had in your life besides POIS. Even minor ones. You may be suprised with your findings. As was I....

If you're from Germany I recommend to watch on youtube: Detoxing Fundamentals - Klinghardt(1998)

I am from Russia.
What do you recomended to be free from mercury?

[LupeNL]

I got sick just after doing vaccine for Africa ; (yellow fever, B hepatitis) ; just found out they contain mercury.

That's a clear connection.

First person that directed me towards mercury was also poisoned by B hepatitis vaccine. He didn't connect the dots initialy cause nobody ever suspects the vaccine. Only after his wife took the same vaccine later, he realized what's going on. She became extremely emotional and started having some weird behavioral problems. They didn't have POIS but a lot of symptoms similar to mine and many more other problems.

Mercury poisoning is not what we usually think of when we say "poisoning". It's an element, so it disturbs elemental balance. Fundaments of our system. What we're made of on the lowest level. Hormones and neurotrasmitters are dependent on that balance. That's why mercury can create such mess in your body resulting in multiple symptoms which are hard to get rid of, unless you take care of a real cause.

[LupeNL]

I am from Russia.
What do you recomended to be free from mercury?

Most important factor in detoxing mercury is increasing intracelullar glutathione - antioxidant that binds mercury and take it out of body. Taking glutathione orally doesn't work cause it doesn't reach the tissues. That's why you need to take chelators that increase glutathione in the cells, bind mercury deep in tissues and bring it to kidneys and liver for excretion. There are two main protocols that people use:

1) Andy Cutler's frequent dose chelation protocol
Cutler recommends 3 chelators: DMPS, DMSA, ALA. First two clean blood extracellulary. ALA is the only one that crosses blood-brain barrier and takes mercury out of brain. ALA is supossed to be vital for getting healthy. DMSA and DMPS is not, but it's really important not to take ALA if your last exposure to mercury (vaccine, amalgam removal, eating poisoned fish) was later than 6 months ago. It can create terrible redistribution symptoms. It's also very important not to chelate while having amalgams in mouth. It has to be removed in safe way by mercury-aware dentist.
Basic protocol is ALA+DMSA low dose every 3 hours for 3 days (at night also) and then 3 days off with supplementing high dose minerals (zinc,magnesium,selenium etc.). If your last exposure was later than 6 months you can start taking only DMSA in the same way to clean mercury extracelullary.
Big part of this protocol is hair mineral analysis. Cutler created counting rules that determine probability of having mercury in tissues.
Very often mercury poisoned people (including me) have low selenium and high aluminum in hair.
If you already have high mercury in urine, that's good news cause you're already excreting it through kidneys. Based on what I've read you should also see it in your hair test

2) Dietrich Klinghardt's protocol
Based on natural chelators - cilantro and chlorella. Both are supposed to be very good in binding mercury but there are different views on whether they can reach the blood-brain barrier.

Personally I tried chlorella, DMSA and ALA. I had biggest progress with DMSA. I only introduced ALA recently so too early to tell. Hair tests were also essential in my progress. When getting rid of mercury you need to replace it with good minerals. Some people believe that you can get rid of mercury with mineral supplementation alone, but it probably takes longer. As I wrote before, even with chelators most success stories involve 1-3 years of chelation. During this time you can get worse before you get better and there are periods of no improvement. That's why many stop and think it's not mercury.

I'm convinced that mercury is the problem. I'm not convinced that in my case I can get rid of it totally, but I keep chelating and tolerate higher doses over time, so it gives me hope.

I recommend A LOT of reading on protocols and watching youtube videos on this topic. Cutler wrote a book called "Amalgam Illness". Frequent Dose Chelation group is also a big source of information .



 

[RD]

... amalgams in mouth. It has to be removed in safe way by mercury-aware dentist.

I'm convinced that mercury is the problem.

Most adults have amalgam fillings , if you are correct why aren't most adults ill ?

Hair tests were also essential in my progress.

Re: hair-analysis see ... http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html

[LupeNL]

Most adults have amalgam fillings , if you are correct why aren't most adults ill ?

Ok. Let me try to explain. Once again, it comes down to the unique characteristics of mercury, which are proven scientifically by the way. It's an element. It's NOT like a substance, alcohol or whatever. It goes inside your body and it almost never leaves. It accumulates through generations as it is passed through placenta to a baby.

If you put amalgam in a mouth of the person, whose family didn't have much exposure to mercury, he can have no visible symptoms all life. His children may be harmed though. It also depends on other factors - how well amalgam was placed, what other exposures person may had not only to mercury but less toxic metals like aluminum. Aluminum by itself is easily detoxed, but mercury likes to bind to it and inhibits its excretion causing horrible combination.

Another important thing: mercury has strong affinity with the brain. Before amalgams were placed on a regular basis and vaccines injected (beginning of the century) there weren't so many brain diseases. There were other problems, but not like these you see today. When mercury goes to brain, the most often result are changes in the behaviour (watch on youtube and read on Wikipedia: "Mad Hatter Disease"). These changes are usually accepted in society as part of your character or upbringing. At best you're directed to the psychiatrist. Nobody will consider that you're physically ill.

My mother is a great example. She had amalgams all her life and suffers from unexplained depression. She didn't have any trauma or family problems. She thinks: "It's just the way I am". She also has a flu every two months, but it's accepted nowadays as nothing unusual. So outisde everyone consider her a healthy person but in reality she's far from it.

And then there's me. Due to my mother's amalgams I was born prematurely and underweight. I had some minor problems all my life but I went through school, did sports, had friends, got a job and everyone thinks I'm perfectly healthy. Now I can't eat most of the things, have problems with sleep, POIS and many other things. There were signs of it in my childhood, but I was considered healthy so no worries, right?

Still today, people look at me like I'm healthy and hypochondriac. Read the mercury forums - all very similar stories. People on this forum should recognize this yourself. Most of you are probably considered healthy, though you suffer from terrible condition of POIS. I'm pretty sure you will recognize other similarities when you read the stories of sufferers.

Look around, most people have some weird health problems nowadays. It may sound like a conspiracy theory but when you go deep you will see the connections. That's why I strongly encourage your own investigation. And remember, I was also coming across this theory like you do right now and disregarded it immediately.

Recommend to watch on youtube:
Mad Hatter's Disease
How Mercury Destroys the Brain - University of Calgary
FDA Hearings on Mercury Dental Amalgam Safety
FDA Townhall California 2011 David Kennedy and Stacy Case Testimony
David Geier There is no safe level of mercury
From Acrodynia to Autism: Mercury Across Generations

Re: hair-analysis see ... http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html [nofollow]

As for this one, I had doubts also. It clearly shows progress based on minerals I'm taking. My friend who's a smoker showed high cadmium in hair. Maybe a coincidence, but I don't think so. Boyd Haley, David Geier, Andy Cutler - all people who make sense to me say it's relevant.

[A-Memo]

guys i found out that i have grain intolerance about two years ago and i just found it now ,it seems it has something to do with asensitivity reaction toward grains, still i didnt detoxfy from grains i fell it gonna be significant finding in POIS

[RD]

Boyd Haley, David Geier, Andy Cutler - all people who make sense to me ...

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/737-boyd-haley.html

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/141-david-mark-geier.html

[MrVat7]

I am in college and i had pois since 9th grade.. I remember , in 9th grade i was having a bottle containing 20grams of mercury and i used to play with it..Then that mercury got spilled in my schoolbag and i didnt took much care.. i used the same bag spilled with mercury daily..That maybe when i got chronic exposure to mercury... i felt symptoms 4-6 months from that exposure.. this can be possible cause of pois. 

[LupeNL]

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/737-boyd-haley.html [nofollow]

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/141-david-mark-geier.html [nofollow]

Anyone who says anything bad about vaccines is considered a lunatic. The funny thing is those guys are not even against vaccines, but against mercury in vaccines. Listen to them and make your own judgement instead of following the common road, which hasn't been helping anyone.

And I guess LAPOISSE2 vaccine, MrVat7 messing with mercury and vik1379 having high mercury in urine, is just a coincidence... Maybe it is, but I don't think so

This is a second most toxic element in the world! Read about it. Yet we use it in amalgams and vaccines as it's not a big deal.
The most toxic one is plutonium. You don't put it in your teeth or inject it in your veins, don't you?

[MrVat7]

Mercury amalgum has different propertis than elemental mercury..and they are safe to use amd are approved by govt. Elemental mercury is toxic and one requires a professional to clean mercury spill..i didnt knew this in 9th grade..and that may have altered my tissue functioning..which caused me pois..possible.

[LupeNL]

Mercury amalgum has different propertis than elemental mercury..and they are safe to use amd are approved by govt

It's actually banned in many reasonable countries in Northern Europe. In some of them you have to take out amalgam fillings from dead body before you bury it, so you don't contaminate environment.

Once again, pls watch on youtube (copy and paste exact title):
FDA Hearings on dental amalgam safety
Smoking Teeth = Poison Gas
FDA Townhall California 2011 David Kennedy and Stacy Case Testimony
You Put What In My Mouth ?
Amalgam Danger by Dr.  Benjamin Zander
Mercury Dental Fillings Are a Biochemical Train Wreck

The greatest defense we have against mercury is in our gut. So the least harmful effect would be from eating fish (although there are still many stories of suffering from that).
By injecting a vaccine, you go around your gut protection system. The same goes for mercury vapor from amalgam fillings that is absorbed by lungs.

And once again, this is a second most toxic element in the world! Biochemical studies show that's it's toxic in parts per billion, in most elemental state. You don't want it anywhere in your body and especially near your brain.

It often happens that it's the removal of amalgam that is the culprit. When it's drilled out, parts of mercury goes inside your body and that's when people get very sick. Before it happens people may seem healthy but they're not. They may be oversensitive, depressed, fatigued, emotional at times. But we think - it's just the way they are.

[Kima]

Dear friends,   I am posting it from Herman.  POIS is not only about mercury.  POIS Is in 90% is about copper.  Mercury causes copper imbalance so does cadmium , virus or any chronic stress.   Gurav  got rid of  POIS  by simply  taking out Wisdom tooth which had no mercury  filling in it.  Anything that caused cortisol to  pump causes POIS.   IT could be mercury ,  cadmium,   Virus,  wisdom tooth,  prostatitis.  I Live in Cyprus and I  have  hairtests of people  with  very very high mercury  since they  eat fish and  sorry but none of them  have POIS.   Mercury binds with copper in the intestines and causes copper deficiency  first and later it causes copper toxicity that is when POIS establishes. Cadmium  does  the same.
 DMSA chelates copper and mercury so does DMPS.   Chelation is very  dangerous, that is why  I  recommended ARL who actually deal with any toxicity but it takes  years, same as with frank chelation.   ACTUAL POIS is caused by copper imbalance and not mercury ,  but Mercury  could co exist with copper.  Mercury toxicity  is in every single body  these days,   100% of people.
 Be careful if you use chelators. DMSA causes 55 times copper removal which is you are low in   your neutrophils will crash  and that could be very   dangerous.
 Good luck , Herman

[LupeNL]

I  have  hairtests of people  with  very very high mercury  since they  eat fish and  sorry but none of them  have POIS

When it comes to mercury, it's not how much you excrete, but how much you retain. People suffering the most are those who cannot excrete it. People with high mercury in hair or urine have usually much less symptoms and easier recovery.

Recommend to watch on youtube (copy and paste exact title):
Boyd Haley PhD Discusses Mercury Retention and Excretion
Dr Boyd Haley: Autism, Mercury, & Thimerosal (2005)*

Also, if you look at confirmed cases of mercury toxicity (mad hatters, minamata, acrodynia) and other cases clearly directing to mercury (dental amalgams), you will see how multiple different symptoms it can create. People are slowly getting rid of them all with the same protocol. POIS is a rare symptom in comparison to most common behavioral problems, fatigue, digestion, liver and kidneys.

There have to be other factors involved but it seems like mercury is the main culprit.

[johanstefansson]

We have done the mercury copper discussion before..

and it led to saying its not plausible. simply because we get sick by ejaculation, not all the time..

we then said it might be poisoning of testicles, but no one knows.

[Kima]

DMSA  chelates copper 55 times more than  mercury.  If you are low copper  that is the most dangerous thing you can do. YOu can get cancer from it.
 I have people with high and low mercury in hair both having POIS.  You  need to know how to read hair to see the mineral transport  for mercury  toxicity.
 How is  removing  wisdom tooth  got rid of  POIS for Gurav? LMAO. Question is , did you get rid of POIS using Mercury chelation for 6 months.  My answer is probably not.  So why would advice people  on it.   And it is not distrubutions that you feel during DMSA feeling like POIS, it is copper deficiency that you feel from DMSA. Everyone seems to find their own problem for POIS and  claim that it is  the culpit.  POIS is caused by the not normal stress response and  that abnormal  stress response could be caused by 100 thing.  But  one thing is  in common ,   COPPER metabolism.   It does not matter where  you got it fom MERCURY, or super stress, or pyroluria  or WIlsons desease.   Mercury is just one of the cases in the huge problme of COPPER metabolism.

[LupeNL]

I truly believe that most of the problems are indeed due to impaired copper metabolism. You were the first to point that out. Copper plays extremely important role in fighting off any disease in the body. I just don't believe that there are 100 things that can cause this imbalance. I'm not saying that mercury is the only one but I believe it's the most common one. It's also very strange coincidence that suddenly poeple here discover they had a mercury exposure just before getting sick.

Viruses and bad bacteria only thrive in bad environment. That's why not everyone who's exposed to virus, gets a flu. Not everyone who's exposed to tick, gets lyme disease. If you read about autistic children, many times they have candida, rubella and parasites all together. Many people get rid of candida when they remove amalgam fillings safely. Candida hold on to mercury to protect you from absorbing it. Body is smart in that way.

Pyroluria and Wilson's are symptoms, not diseases. Just as hypo/hyperthyroidism, chronic fatigue or POIS. This is how imbalance manifests. Super stress is most ridiculous argument for me. There are people who go through massive trauma during their childhood, and they still live a normal, healthy life later. That's because their biochemical environment was correct from the beginning. Then there are people who had a nice, loving childhood but they react to every little thing like it's a big trauma. Later they start to react to food, chemicals, anything. Body cannot handle anymore, cause the enviroment inside is more and more polluted. Now combine traumatic experiences with incorrect environment (mercury exposure) and you have the worst case.

I have people with high and low mercury in hair both having POIS.  You  need to know how to read hair to see the mineral transport  for mercury  toxicity.

That's why I said in previous post that hair test is not a measure of exposure to mercury. Only a measure of excretion. Measure of exposure are ratios of essential minerals, symptoms you have and story of exposure.

Question is , did you get rid of POIS using Mercury chelation for 6 months.  My answer is probably not.  So why would advice people on it

Let me get this straight, maybe I was misunderstood. I DIDN'T GET RID OF POIS. I DON'T RECOMMEND CHELATORS. I wanted to point to mercury. Even excluding POIS it seems ridiculous that we are putting such potent toxin in our teeth and veins. We had this problem for millenia. Read about use of calomel (mercury chloride) in medicine in 1800-1900's. It's the difficulty in recognizing mercury in tests and its unique characteristics that caused terrible ignorance. When you take that into consideration, then the connection is obvious. Cadmium and aluminum are also toxic, but not even close to mercury. I trust the biochemical studies, the stories I've read, the investigation I made. If I add the story of my life on top, it all comes together.

It was my own decision to go with Cutler's protocol and I'm doing it extremely carefully checking my blood, hair minerals, kidneys and liver regulary. But most importantly observing carefuly how I feel. Until now, I can say it's only been helping. If it's not going to work I'll be here first to admit it.

Let me also stress that it's not only about chelators. In Cutler's protocol replenishing minerals is equally important. Someone asked what do I recommend, so I made a summary of all the protocols that people use. One of them is based only on mineral balancing and I believe that it's probably possible to get healthy using only this method.

The only thing I encourage to do your own investigation and do what makes sense to you.

 

[Jonas STHLM]

I think than POIS is a psychosomatic reaction linked to trauma/PTSD that overwhelms the nervous system.

[Over it]

I think than POIS is a psychosomatic reaction linked to trauma/PTSD that overwhelms the nervous system.

I concur.

[A-Memo]

Guys does POIS reduce the intellegince by time even if you are in abstinence mode , so any body feel his IQ got lower or his emotional part became blunt ?