[johanstefansson]

no, your intelligence level recovers in abstinence mode

[fidalgo]

Can high dose of testosterone cause gynecomastia ?

MrVat7, dou you start your testosterone treatment??? Are you having some improves???

[A-Memo]

Hello guys , in one of the forum posts it is mentioned that a person got a brain stroke from the POIS , can too much pois cause stroke any what is the incidence of that ??

[A-Memo]

Any one is grain sensitive like me , am grain sensitive

[Defsync]

Hello guys , in one of the forum posts it is mentioned that a person got a brain stroke from the POIS , can too much pois cause stroke any what is the incidence of that ??

I could see regular POIS causing massive stress, especially at the workplace if cognitive loss is a symptom,  and therefor increase in blood pressure and tension. This might increase chance for a stroke in someone already susceptible?

[MrVat7]

Can high dose of testosterone cause gynecomastia ?

MrVat7, dou you start your testosterone treatment??? Are you having some improves???

Due to unavoidable circumstances i was unable to start high dose testosterone treatment..m really sorry for that...

[Kima]

Who knows when will medical research?

[demografx]

<former Moderator visiting periodically>

Who knows when will medical research?

Rutgers Univ. medical research is funded by poiscenter.com

They are prohibited from posting elsewhere. So that website is where you can find info you're looking for.

Regards,
Demo

[Nightingale]

poiscenter.com is down right now, I havn't been able to get to it for 3 days. Demo, server issues?

[Jatsa]

According to my experience, POIS seems to be caused by the change of breathing patterns induced during the period of arousal/orgasm. The thing is one may not even notice his breathing patterns change, it may be related to the physiology of the predisposed (vulnerable) individuals, with several other variables involved.

Sometimes, the orgasm itself interrupts these chronic hyperventilation states, therefore it represents both the cause and the "cure" of those symptoms.

Check the list of the symptoms + more info:

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http://www.patrickmckeown.net/chronic-hyperventilation-syndrome.php
•shortness of breath for no apparent reason
•frequent sighing or yawning
•chest pains not heart related
•chest tightness
•coughing
•wheezing
•breathlessness
•sneezing
•reduced loss of smell
•heart palpitations
•sweating
•syncope (fainting)
•dizziness
•trembling
•slurred speech
•cold, tingling, or numb lips or extremities
•nausea or irritable bowel syndrome
•aching muscles or joints, or tremors
•tiredness, unsteadiness, or diffuse weakness
•restless sleep, insomnia, or nightmares
•sexual problems
•anxiety or phobias
•fear that perhaps you're a hypochondriac
•bad breath, dry mouth, dental problems
•pressure in throat or difficulty swallowing
•bloating, belching, flatulence, or abdominal pain
•impaired memory or concentration
•confusion / disorientation
•tinnitus (ringing in ears)
•headaches
•brain fog
•pains in joints or bones
•repeated throat clearing
•blurred vision, tunnel vision, double vision, or flashing lights
•tachycardia (rapid pulse)
•depression
•erratic blood pressure
•loss of libido
•allergies
•feeling spaced out
•sweating
•varicose veins
•poor concentration
•frequent urination, children bed wetting
•headaches
•erratic blood sugar levels
•dry lips
•impotence
•short temper
•irritability
•loss of libido
•racing mind
•short temper
•hot or cold flushes

[demografx]

<former Moderator visiting periodically>

poiscenter.com is down right now, I havn't been able to get to it for 3 days. Demo, server issues?

Nightingale, all's well, several people have checked it fine. Who knows? Might have been a tiny disruption when you checked.

But all's up and running smoothly!  []

[Nightingale]

It seems like my IP is blocked or something. I tried to get it reassigned by unplugging my modem for a while and connecting it again. That didn't help. You are right, it is up because I can access it through my phone's 4G connection. I flushed my dns cache, I could assign another IP manually but that can cause issues.

You sure I havn't been filtered from the site? I know you try to keep the spammers away. I really would like to write up something!

[demografx]

<former Moderator visiting periodically>

It seems like my IP is blocked or something. I tried to get it reassigned by unplugging my modem for a while and connecting it again. That didn't help. You are right, it is up because I can access it through my phone's 4G connection. I flushed my dns cache, I could assign another IP manually but that can cause issues.

You sure I havn't been filtered from the site? I know you try to keep the spammers away. I really would like to write up something!

Hi, Nightingale !

I alerted daveman.

You can also contact him at:
daveman AT poiscenter.com

Hope it resolves quickly !

Best,
Demo

[desperate man]

I haven't posted anything here in months. This is just a vent so please excuse me.
Have tried all supplements from A-Z. Everything you can imagine from vitamins to minerals. I even gave up smoking. No alcohol, no coffee, rarely eat junk foods. Tried all kinds of diet.

I have been depressed most of my life because of this. I have PSSD (Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction) which left me with Soft Glans Syndrome. I also have Red Glans Syndrome as well as a mild case of Peyronie's disease that is getting worse.

I was introduced to masturbation at a very young age of 10 thru my classmates. I have brought home magazines of Sports Illustrated and locked myself in the toilet each day lying to my parents that I need to use the toilet. I used to put my penis on the toilet seat and the magazine behind it and rub it against it. There were numerous times when my frenulum started bleeding but it didn't stop me from fulfilling my desires.

They've introduced me to porn at around 12 and saw how much of a sucker I was and sold the magazines to me. I didn't realize I was severly addicted to masturbation and porn until I was around 17-18. The POIS symptoms appeared a year after that and has caused lots of depression for me.

This depression has been lifted when I got married. Nowadays, things are not looking bright.
POIS has caused horrible insecurities in me.

My symptoms are always the same. After I orgasm it doesn't take 2 minutes and I feel like my IQ has been dropped by 50%. I forget words and cannot think/focus, I start stuttering when talking to my wife and the conversation feels like an adult woman talking to an 7 year old boy.
My muscles become weak and if I try to stand my legs start shaking and trembling.

It takes me about a week to relieve POIS symptoms. Everyone starts commenting how intelligent, creative and bright I am as well as funny. I have energy and motivation to do things and don't stutter during conversations. These compliments still can't uplift my mood knowing that 'Satan' is always lurking in my body waiting for me to ejaculate.

Now that my wife started to work out and getting in shape I didn't wanted to be the couch potato husband so I joined a gym. I am skinny-fat. During POIS I have no motivation to get out of the bed, not to mention going to work or the gym. I don't want to be left behind knowing how problematic and good for nothing I can be. Everyone is labelling me "lazy", telling me I'm a good for nothing. It just only make matters worse...

When I first told my wife I have POIS it made her burst out laughing. I will not lie to you guys, it made me cry like a baby. Seeing this she has acknowledged the seriousness of it and has been supporting me, but she joined the otherside and said I cannot blame everything on this syndrome.

Sorry, I didn't know that having cracking joints, not being able to get out of bed, not being able to think, not being able to hold a plate in my hand because I would drop it from shaky, weak muscles and feeling like a sick, unhealthy elderly person is normal for a guy in his twenties.

We had great sex before and always left her satisfied. Not being able to do much housework, destroyed self-confidence, weakness and feeling like a beta male has put a stamp on me over time and I'm losing my wife. We haven't had sex in months. When I confronted her about this she told me she didn't wanted to induce POIS. I don't know the truth behind that because we have been arguing a lot, but I had to accept my fate.

Nowadays divorce has been brought up several times. I know if I go a week or two without POIS I am the brighest, most positive person in the world. I do housework, I give 100% in my deskjob, I take her out to places, I make everybody laugh around me all the time.
With POIS, I am one of the most negative, depressing person to be around so I understand that at this point divorce is inevitable because who needs a person like that. I have suicidal thinking because I really love this person more than life itself. At least niacin would work for me, but it doesn't. Even 25 mg will give me a bad flush and not ease my symptoms. I would have to be hospitalized by the doses people take here.

Since I suffer from hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) on a daily basis I know that it interferes with the severity of my POIS. So for a long time we had the theory of low dopamine.
No motivation, muscle weakness/cordination issues, stuttering etc.
So now I was thinking of something that might be closer to reality.

We all know that one can have insulin resistance. The body cannot use insulin properly.
So what about this: Could we have resistance to DOPAMINE? Dopamine resistance?

Look. I know I exhibit symptoms and would be able to find huge relief with things like Ritalin or Adderall, but I tried to look into alternatives that could elevate DA.
I tried to eat foods rich of dopamine. Results?

I felt like sh1t! It does the opposite if what one hopes for and because of this, I thought (in my case) that dopamine resistance could be the answer for all this madness?

Forgot to mention that I even quit porn a long time ago. Doesn't help. You cannot go on Google, youtube or any social pages without seeing hot girls in sexy dresses or swimsuits.
Our society is fucked but this just tells me that our brain is wired the wrong way because not every has an addictive personality like some here.

Sorry for the vent guys. I just had to let this all out and hoping to find relief before my marriage ends.

Best of luck to you all!

[B_Daniel]

Desperate man, you are true to your name.  Very sorry to hear things are difficult at the moment for you.    -Daniel

[FinalPanic]

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.

[ragnarlind]

Hello ... I have not posted here for ages and as far as I can tell there is nothing very new going on for our syndrome ...
There are some perhaps relevant thoughts about how "stress" debilitates many body functions on a cellular level ... see Sapolsky's great documentary about "self esteem stress" impacting weight gain (around the belly), artery sclerosis , depression, dopamin function etc.

For me it is clearly a dopamine collapse happening around 6 hours after an O and then symptoms lasts for about a week. Headache (frontal lobe), severe grumpiness (poor my lovely wife).  I was first introduced to this hang-over syndrome newbielink:http://www.reuniting.info [nonactive] by Marnia Robinson who still has the best explanation for how nature has genetically programed us for gene diversity, by finding fault with our mates after orgasm and looking for a NEW mate (see the Coolidge Effect -- newbielink:http://www.reuniting.info/science/coolidge_effect [nonactive] ). 
My feeling is that many more people experience some variety of this than us POISers but that they don't connect the dots. If the symptoms are delayed it is not easy to say that there is a connection unless you have been alerted to the possibility of it !  Others, like me, have enough head aches so that it does not stand out (unless you look for it). The grumpiness, the brain fog, the cold symptoms, back aches etc. can be the same lack of connection so it is disappearing in our general up and down character...
So dopamine (the desire hormone) ... it falls sharply after orgasm but for some it disappears from the scale and keeps going down in waves ... total dopamine loss which affects the brain in many negative ways -- depression, memory loss and loss of other functions. Marnia's alarm started me looking and got me to the POIS page and for me the connection is obvious -- not so for everybody. There are many who want to find an answer that can be handled by antibiotics or some other pill. Perhaps there is some such solution for some I have not found one. I have never found Dr. Waldingers allergy autoimmune theory convincing, that we should be allergic to our sperm or semen ...
There was hope in Marnia's recommendation to skip frequent orgasms and practice Karrezza but for me that lead to another very disappointing discovery: that even getting "horny" triggered the hang-over respons but in a milder form. Still headaches but perhaps less intense. So how to deal with massive dopamine loss ? One that works but is dangerous is aspirin+codeine ... the morphine takes care of the dopamine loss but if you take it for more than 3 days you are hooked ! So you have to be aware and stop looking for relief at the 3d day onward. Oh well ... this is where I am now :-(

[desperate man]

Yes, the dopamine theory is still the most convincing for me. I have came across a study few days ago which mentions the reward circuit and food connection. It was saying something about junk food, high sugar downregulating dopamine production.

Basically if you have insufficient dopamine/or faulty receptor activity then you will crave junk food. Catch22. Dopamine plays a huge role in hunger and weight loss, weight gain.

I occasionally get POIS-like symptoms from very sugary foods. Other times it lifts my mood and gives me energy. It's very difficult to pin-point things but it could to be tied together to a combination of:

- adrenal hormone (cortisol) regulation throughout the day and your time of ejaculation in 24 hours period
- hunger and the foods you consume (are you starving yourself? it will screw up your adrenals)
- actual dopamine activity

I know that my symptoms are a result of losing a parent early in life (PTSD), previous SSRI use and the endless cycle from POIS causing fear and depression.

After further reading about the subject I truly feel that Cognitive Behavior Therapy could be an option in rewiring the brain and letting past traumas go in cases like mine, in which supplements do nothing but harm.

[desperate man]

Is there a way to boost dopamine or dopamine receptor activity without triggering panic attacks? Feeling intelligent is such a good quality to have, at least there would be a compensation for the rest of the POIS symptoms.
I'm trying skullcap caps in order to boost GABA receptors to counteract delusional thinking and paranoia. I don't know if it will help with the low dopamine and 0 motivation though, but it will definetly lower norepinephrine, which if high will make you stupid...

[John21 (OP)]

DM, it is possible to eliminate all sources of lust, but it takes commitment. I am a devout Catholic and adhere to it's instruction that avoiding all situations that lead to temptation will block temptation. I am living proof that a person can live (most of the time) without lust entering his mind, something unthinkable years ago. I don't watch many tv shows, very few movies (make sure they have no passion in them, and if they do I turn off the volume and avert my eyes) Sound crazy? It aint, it works! Online I am able to resist a search in the wrong direction that would spell certain disaster. I believe that worshiping God (obedience to His rules) gives me the ability to walk without falling. The only POIS that now afflicts me is very occasionally when I have an NE, otherwise I am a chase single person. I just wanted to let you know that there is hope from the maelstrom that of POIS.

As far as increasing dopamine, you can try consuming fava beans. I buy them dry and boil them, and include some with other beans for my evening protein most nights. Protein in general is very valuable to anyone with mental instability. I recommend a protein shake in the morning with breakfast, they contain lots of the amino acids used to build neurochemicals.