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Re: What is God?
« Reply #20 on: 08/06/2017 09:32:20 »
Quote from: jacknana on 08/06/2017 08:50:37
As I read on Google...

I should have known Google is the true messenger of humanity... Where was Google when Jesus had been murdered??
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #21 on: 08/06/2017 12:03:42 »
Say you could separate the fabric of space-time, into separated threads of space and separate thread of time. This unique situation would allow one to move in time, without the restrictions of space and/or move is space without the restrictions of time.



A movement in space without the restrictions of time would allow one to be anywhere and everywhere at the same time. This is called omnipresence. If you could more in time without the restrictions of space, you could know the history of any point in the universe. This is called omniscience. These are two historical attributes of God.

This logical extrapolation of space-time, suggests that God is not inertial, since inertial is governed by space-time. God is more related to what Physics calls other dimensions and alternate universes. Until we can investigate alternate universes and other dimensions you may not be able to find God. Not finding a Polar Bear at the equator does not prove polar bear do not exist. It only proves one does not have a clue, where to find polar bears.

The forces of nature are also accelerations, with the units of feet/sec/sec. Based on simple dimensional analysis, acceleration is two parts time and one part distance. Or acceleration is space-time plus some extra time threads embroidered into the fabric of space-time.

Force and acceleration gets us closer to the realm of separated space and separated time. In the case of gravity, the extras time threads will pucker the fabric of space-time via relativity. The extra time threads also allows us to know and anticipate reality; omniscience, through the logic of forces which are the same everywhere.


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Re: What is God?
« Reply #22 on: 08/06/2017 12:26:20 »
Quote from: puppypower on 08/06/2017 12:03:42
A movement in space without the restrictions of time would allow one to be anywhere and everywhere at the same time. This is called omnipresence. If you could more in time without the restrictions of space, you could know the history of any point in the universe. This is called omniscience. These are two historical attributes of God.

Theses are highly subjective theological arguments.
One could never prove that "God" is either a physical or purely imaginary thing.
For me there's no God particle neither unless quantum mechanics can solve the problems of consciousness and the origin of the universe.
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #23 on: 09/06/2017 22:06:00 »
I'd like to comment on few things quoted by the OP:

Re - The truth is that I'm not one the spoon fed by religion, ...

Comment based on the flawed assumption that whomever believes in God does so because they've been spoon fed. I've never met a religious person who believes in God because they were  spoon fed. Who has?

Re - ..I asked questions which makes more sense when intelligence is applied to bridge gaps than to assume the universe is based on chaos and disorder.

Another flawed assumption. Everyone bases what they believe by what they experience. Everyone asks questions which make sense to them. Debate arises because people disagree on which assumptions are true. In fact all logical deductions are based on postulates. Science bases their arguments on laws. Such assumptions are called axioms and regard beliefs on what is observed in nature.

Re - God exists before time and makes His preexistence illogical for He's the source of all energy, time,space and matter.

Total nonsense. It appears that this person doesn't have a solid grasp of the meaning of the term "time." Time is defined as that which separates states of existence, i.e. if something changes then that's what time is all about. In fact "before" and "after" applies to the creation of the universe. If there is a God who created the universe then He chose to do so and there was a before he created the universe and an after he created it. There is nothing in any religious cannon which states otherwise. Its quite possible, even with current science, to actually create a universe by a being in an advanced civilization in another universe, a universe in which time exists. Our universe would then be a "child universe" as the term is called. There is even a theory called the "Pre Big-Bang Scenario".

Re - Tell me, are your thoughts products of randomness or consciousness? this consciousness is it a product of disorder?

Its possible to create order of disorder. In fact its quite simple. That's how some crystals are made. Very simply physics/chemistry.

Re - Because religion cannot base its argument on physical evidence ...

This person doesn't understand how the term evidence is defined. Evidence is information/data etc which is consistent with the predictions of a theory. The existence of magnetism is evidence of the theory of magnetism even though that theory was created to explain magnetism. Likewise people try to explain the existence of life and then events recorded in the Bible by postulating the existence of God.

Re - They think God is a finite entity that dwells in the Sky, ...

Only extremely ignorant believers think that. Intelligent ones don't believe that. They don't believe that God resides in the Sky or in space of any place else. To them its akin to believing that God is in a totally separate dimension.

Re - All scientific facts still change to meet up with God's word.

Nonsense. A scientific fact is defined as any observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and accepted as true. If those observations change then all that means is that we didn't have a full understanding of the universe and that's constantly changing in science. Scientific fact was changed after Einstein created relativity and experiments were created to test them.

I'll end it here since I could go on and on about this persons ignorance. But my hands are getting tired typing. :)
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #24 on: 10/06/2017 19:29:43 »
Quote from: PmbPhy on 09/06/2017 22:06:00
Comment based on the flawed assumption that whomever believes in God does so because they've been spoon fed. I've never met a religious person who believes in God because they were  spoon fed. Who has?

Surely that applies to most of them as they simply inherit their religion from their parents as a result of being brought up in that faith.
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #25 on: 19/07/2017 16:08:09 »
Religion is likely the most destructive force on earth...It divides groups of people who think their god is the only or better god. It teaches humans that they are superior to every other species on earth, and that those species are merely gifts to humans intended for their use or consumption...This idea leads to many societal ills and materialism. 
 
God where? Obviously busy deciding who makes a home run, touch down, catches a pass, counting hairs on heads and sparrows that fall ....to be concerned with Allepo, Sexual Predators becoming Presidents, or with millions of starving men, women and children while being thanked from the privileged few who believe that He (?) provides THEM selectively with bountiful Feasts!

Humans need to view religion more objectively. Truth is....NO Human Being actually knows anything about the Who, What or If about any God(s). Those concepts are conceived by humans because they don't understand that there is absolutely NO Credible evidence that when the physical Brain dies, the "soul"(emotions, thinking, awareness) continues... As with all us mammals....it's "Dust to Dust" ...no "supernatural" nonsense. 

Religion is a brainwashing that starts practically from the moment of birth... Humans are nothing more than another evolved, biological species like a blade of grass.
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #26 on: 19/07/2017 18:17:48 »
I agree and I think that is why people need to really think about the logic and stuff the religious says using their knowledge. But still a lot of people are superstitious and believe in whatever a religious says...Some of them have limited knowledge and don't think logically... Anyhow, when people have been through a lot in their lives and at a point they want to look for answers that they cannot seek, they will always look for an answer through religious. Well thats not a bad thing if they choose to believe in what they want but at least don't do anything harmful to one another and hate someone just because of their different belief...
Anyways, here is a link that answers the question i googled.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/god/who-is-god/what-is-god/ [nofollow]
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Re: What is God?
« Reply #27 on: 03/08/2017 08:31:50 »
I think God is the believe in yourself.
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