[stacyjones]

You appear to be determined to misunderstand and not listen to reason so good luck in your endeavors.

In a double slit experiment the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit because it always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both.

You appear to be determined to misunderstand and not listen to reason so good luck in your endeavors.

[evan_au]

Either we use waves in space of more than three dimensions…………..or we remain in three dimensional space, but give up the simple picture of the wave amplitude as an ordinary physical magnitude

I understand that electromagnetism has a particularly simple structure in 5 dimensions.
I understand that gravity has a particularly simple structure in 10 dimensions.

But my 5 & 10 dimensional maths is non-existent, so I will have to take the word of others for it.

Extra dimensions work well as a mathematical tool; what we lack is some experimental evidence for them (or some theoretical solution that can't be obtained in other ways).

[alancalverd]

The whole point is wave-particle duality can be explained classically.

Why bother, when quantum mechanics does the job without invoking aether, and unlike classical mechanics, allows the hydrogen atom to exist, black body radiation to have finite energy, photoelectricity to have a threshold work function, and the transistors in this computer to work.

[stacyjones]

The whole point is wave-particle duality can be explained classically.

Why bother, when quantum mechanics does the job without invoking aether, and unlike classical mechanics, allows the hydrogen atom to exist, black body radiation to have finite energy, photoelectricity to have a threshold work function, and the transistors in this computer to work.

Because it relates general relativity and quantum mechanics. Aether has mass and is displaced by matter. What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the aether. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether. Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

[alancalverd]

Aether has mass

What is the mass or density of aether?

[stacyjones]

Aether has mass

What is the mass or density of aether?

Do you need to know the mass density of the water in order to understand a boat has a bow wave?

[McQueen]

I understand that electromagnetism has a particularly simple structure in 5 dimensions.
I understand that gravity has a particularly simple structure in 10 dimensions.
But my 5 & 10 dimensional maths is non-existent, so I will have to take the word of others for it.
Extra dimensions work well as a mathematical tool; what we lack is some experimental evidence for them (or some theoretical solution that can't be obtained in other ways).

The problem with the  concept of 'understanding' is defined by your own definition;  it can sometimes be 'non-existent'.  IF an empirical solution is available why go into these esoteric solutions. Take wave-particle duality as a starting point, this is where extra dimensions and all the other eerie concepts came into physics. What if wave particle duality does not exist and other simpler alternative explanations do exist, how is it possible to go on believing in '5 dimensions and 10 dimensions' but also to try and convince others to believe in the same thing.  Not only do proponents of extra dimensions try to convince others about these highly improbable scenarios  but they are rabid in their efforts to do so and also unfortunately are in the majority. A Swift like situation that is so improbable as to be amusing.

Now that you have come to accept the existence of extra dimensions in Quantum Mechanics, it is time to remind you that Schrodinger's wave function equation implies the existence of 276 extra dimensions. What a crazy beginning for a crazy theory!

[McQueen]

What is the mass or density of aether?

Although I do not prescribe to stacy jones assertion that the aether and matter waves are the same or to several of his other ideas, I do believe in the concept of an aether and can also give some idea of its mass. According to the Gestalt Aether Theory, a 'virtual photon' of the 'virtual photon aether' has an energy of about 10 ^-50 J. If one considers mass energy equivalence it is possible to see that the aether must have mass, further if the energy of a single 'virtual photon' is multiplied by the volume of the Universe, it will even be possible to calculate the effect that this mass has on the Universe.  The 'dimensions' of these virtual photons can be taken as  (10^-6m)². 

[stacyjones]

What is the mass or density of aether?

Although I do not prescribe to stacy jones assertion that the aether and matter waves are the same or to several of his other ideas, I do believe in the concept of an aether and can also give some idea of its mass. According to the Gestalt Aether Theory, a 'virtual photon' of the 'virtual photon aether' has an energy of about 10 ^-50 J. If one considers mass energy equivalence it is possible to see that the aether must have mass, further if the energy of a single 'virtual photon' is multiplied by the volume of the Universe, it will even be possible to calculate the effect that this mass has on the Universe.  The 'dimensions' of these virtual photons can be taken as  (10^-6m)².

No need for 'virtual' photons. You can consider the aether.to be a sea of photons which are displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

[alancalverd]

Do you need to know the mass density of the water in order to understand a boat has a bow wave?

If I want to calculate the bow wave, yes. And if I assert that something has mass, I expect my customers to ask me how much.

As you are putting forward the notion of an aether wave being predictive of electron diffraction (which I can measure precisely) and gravitation (which I can measure precisely) you must have a very precise idea of the density and compressive modulus of aether. Please tell us.

And whilst you are at it, perhaps you can explain the  difference betweenthe bow wave of a boat, which is determined by the speed and direction of the boat, and the pilot wave of your particles: how does the wave know how fast to travel? What happens to the wave when a particle annihilates?

If the pilot wave precedes the particle, it must anticipate the position of a photon. Relativity says you can't anticipate the position of a photon. So you can't use the aether theory to marry relativity with quantum mechanics. This is a pity as relativity gives us some very useful and precisely predictive insights into gravitation, nuclear physics, and navigation. Unlike aether theory whcih gives us nothing. 

[stacyjones]

Do you need to know the mass density of the water in order to understand a boat has a bow wave?

If I want to calculate the bow wave, yes. And if I assert that something has mass, I expect my customers to ask me how much.

As you are putting forward the notion of an aether wave being predictive of electron diffraction (which I can measure precisely) and gravitation (which I can measure precisely) you must have a very precise idea of the density and compressive modulus of aether. Please tell us.

And whilst you are at it, perhaps you can explain the  difference betweenthe bow wave of a boat, which is determined by the speed and direction of the boat, and the pilot wave of your particles: how does the wave know how fast to travel? What happens to the wave when a particle annihilates?

If the pilot wave precedes the particle, it must anticipate the position of a photon. Relativity says you can't anticipate the position of a photon. So you can't use the aether theory to marry relativity with quantum mechanics. This is a pity as relativity gives us some very useful and precisely predictive insights into gravitation, nuclear physics, and navigation. Unlike aether theory whcih gives us nothing.

Aether displaced by matter gives you what relates general relativity and quantum mechanics. What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the aether. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether. Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

[alancalverd]

Then please show us the numbers.

[stacyjones]

Then please show us the numbers.

'From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900

"This medium, called also the aether, has mass and is populated by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it" ...

... and displace it.

'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612

"Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)."

[puppypower]

If you look at our universe there is a net conversion of matter to energy. Energy to matter may have been the case in the beginning of the universe. However, with the introduction of the forces of nature, after that, the opposite is true. Since energy moves at the speed of light and matter can't move at the speed of light, a net conversion of matter to energy, also implies a movement from inertial reference to the speed of light reference, with the speed of light, at lower potential. This is not tradition, but it follows from  relativity and observation.

The aether has a connection to the ground state; speed of light. Both camps of thought are correct. The aether is not a thing, per se, to be measured. Rather is it connected to the impact of the speed of light ground state on inertial reference. 

As an analogy, on earth we have the sea level, which is the place where all the atmospheric and land water goes. This is a place of lowest potential. The movement of all the surface and atmospheric water, whether it starts in the clouds, mountains, forest streams, rivers and lakes, moves in response to the potential with sea level. If this analogy, the different wavelengths of photon are analogous to the where the water begins; cloud = gamma. The sea level is not a medium, per se, but rather a destination for the lowering of the potential. The potential with sea level will allow some water to seep, tunnel, split and meander.

If you look at photons, they have two legs. Photons travel at the speed of light, while also showing finite expressions we call wavelength and frequency. The paradox this creates is, at the speed of light, the universe will appear contracted to a point-instant. The question is, how can photons generate finite wavelengths, if these will appear as a fraction of a point in its speed of light reference? A fraction of a point is not mathematically possible. Also how can we have a variety of wavelengths; EM spectrum, if the speed of light can only see one   reference; infinite wavelength? We know photons do this, but how?

It comes back to the speed of light ground state and the higher potential of inertial reference. Photons exist in both references. One leg is planted in the ground state, while the other is in the higher potential inertial references. Another analogy is a spring attached at one point, which is always the place of lowest potential. Inertial references will stretch the spring to define different wavelengths and potential with the ground state. Since C is the ground state, photons will lower potential; travel at C, while also being pulled to higher potential; wave.

In terms of a medium analogy, say we have a boat traveling on the water. The boat is like the particle and its wake is the wave. Since the medium will cause some drag on the boat, to maintain the wake we need to constantly add energy via engine. If we cut the engine, the particle; boat, will remain, but there is no wake. The engine of the photon boat is the connected to the constant potential between inertial and the speed of light ground state, with both persisting.

This medium analogy suggests that the neutrino is a just photon with the inertial engine turned off. It has lost most of its connection to matter and inertial reference. It is a particle boat stopped at C, with very few inertial interactions; wake. They are essentially one legged photons.

[McQueen]

If you look at photons, they have two legs. Photons travel at the speed of light, while also showing finite expressions we call wavelength and frequency. The paradox this creates is, at the speed of light, the universe will appear contracted to a point-instant. The question is, how can photons generate finite wavelengths, if these will appear as a fraction of a point in its speed of light reference? A fraction of a point is not mathematically possible. Also how can we have a variety of wavelengths; EM spectrum, if the speed of light can only see one   reference; infinite wavelength? We know photons do this, but how?

To think of a 'particle' as having wave length and frequency is not such an insurmountable problem as you seem to  surmise. In lithotripsy for instance, where sound waves are used to create shock waves or vibrations that can shatter kidney stones, the sound waves have a frequency of between 100 KHz and 1 MHz. and a wave length of between 0.003 m and 0.0003 m. respectively. The conundrum here is that a wave (i.e., sound) can behave like a solid object and be used to shatter a stone, surely light must also exist in a similar form from all the evidence available. 

[jeffreyH]

Sound waves require a medium. Photons do not. In space no one can hear you scream.

[stacyjones]

Aether has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and its associated wave in the aether.

There is evidence of the aether every time a double slit experiment is performed, it's what waves.

[jeffreyH]

Simply repeating something parrot fashion over and over again doesn't prove it to be a fact. Aether is a trendy fad that lots of people seem to be taking up like crusaders of physics. Crusaders tend to destroy rather than save. It will be something else next year.

[stacyjones]

Or, you could correctly understand what occurs physically in nature. 'Empty' space has mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters. What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the mass which fills 'empty' space. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the mass which fills 'empty' space. The mass which fills 'empty' space displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

[evan_au]

The problem with wave-particle duality is that some people believe in it!

It's apparently official government policy in Canada....

See Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau explain: