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What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?

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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #140 on: 11/04/2017 21:28:09 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 11/04/2017 16:17:47
Abstract

The large burden of sulfate aerosols injected into the stratosphere by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991 cooled Earth and enhanced the destruction of polar ozone in the subsequent few years. The continuous injection of sulfur into the stratosphere has been suggested as a “geoengineering” scheme to counteract global warming. We use an empirical relationship between ozone depletion and chlorine activation to estimate how this approach might influence polar ozone. An injection of sulfur large enough to compensate for surface warming caused by the doubling of atmospheric CO2 would strongly increase the extent of Arctic ozone depletion during the present century for cold winters and would cause a considerable delay, between 30 and 70 years, in the expected recovery of the Antarctic ozone hole.

Here I am, still waiting for any environmental phenomena to be definitively linked to chemtrails. Doesn't look like I'm going to ever get it...
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #141 on: 12/04/2017 11:05:36 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/04/2017 21:28:09
Here I am, still waiting for any environmental phenomena to be definitively linked to chemtrails. Doesn't look like I'm going to ever get it...

Don't get blinded by the suggestions made in this study. Solar geoengineering is clandestine research disguised as a philanthropy. It is illegal strictly in the political sense because our governments declines its existence. Clandestine research is pseudoscience to me.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #142 on: 12/04/2017 16:30:54 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 12/04/2017 11:05:36
Don't get blinded by the suggestions made in this study. Solar geoengineering is clandestine research disguised as a philanthropy. It is illegal strictly in the political sense because our governments declines its existence. Clandestine research is pseudoscience to me.

You're making claims again but not providing definitive evidence.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #143 on: 13/04/2017 00:03:15 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 12/04/2017 11:05:36
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/04/2017 21:28:09
Here I am, still waiting for any environmental phenomena to be definitively linked to chemtrails. Doesn't look like I'm going to ever get it...

Don't get blinded by the suggestions made in this study. Solar geoengineering is clandestine research disguised as a philanthropy. It is illegal strictly in the political sense because our governments declines its existence. Clandestine research is pseudoscience to me.

Still no evidence then.
Why do you bother?
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #144 on: 13/04/2017 11:43:47 »
I bother to educate the mass about the obfuscation of clandestine geoengineering research.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #145 on: 13/04/2017 18:33:24 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 13/04/2017 11:43:47
I bother to educate the mass about the obfuscation of clandestine geoengineering research.
So far, your education has consisted of making claims but being unable to provide any evidence.
Why do you keep on restating the claims, rather than producing evidence?
Is it because you have no evidence?
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #146 on: 20/04/2017 20:14:02 »
Chemtrails are not dumped when the wind is blowing. It reduces the albedo the day after they sprayed their stuff, by producing a haze. If this is not evidence of the deliberate injections of aerosols in the troposphere, I don't know what is a evidence.

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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #147 on: 20/04/2017 21:02:18 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/04/2017 20:14:02
Chemtrails are not dumped when the wind is blowing.

Another claim in need of support.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #148 on: 20/04/2017 21:32:15 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/04/2017 20:14:02
Chemtrails are not dumped when the wind is blowing. It reduces the albedo the day after they sprayed their stuff, by producing a haze. If this is not evidence of the deliberate injections of aerosols in the troposphere, I don't know what is a evidence.


So far, your education has consisted of making claims but being unable to provide any evidence.
Why do you keep on restating the claims, rather than producing evidence?
Is it because you have no evidence?
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #149 on: 20/04/2017 21:46:28 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/04/2017 21:02:18
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/04/2017 20:14:02
Chemtrails are not dumped when the wind is blowing.

Another claim in need of support.

It's called a observational evidence.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #150 on: 20/04/2017 22:43:16 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/04/2017 21:46:28
It's called a observational evidence.

If a study has indeed been done that correlates the occurrence (or non-occurrence) of chemtrails with local wind speed, please provide us with a link to the study.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #151 on: 20/04/2017 23:01:28 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/04/2017 22:43:16
If a study has indeed been done that correlates the occurrence (or non-occurrence) of chemtrails with local wind speed, please provide us with a link to the study.

What is the point in linking a study if you fail to observe the basics of geoengineering? I suggest you take the time needed to observe the phenomenon in situ.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #152 on: 20/04/2017 23:12:43 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/04/2017 23:01:28
What is the point in linking a study

Because it would actually help your position, maybe? If it actually showed what you claimed it to show, that is. I doubt you even have such a link to share in the first place, which makes your claim of a chemtrail-wind speed correlation hollow.

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if you fail to observe the basics of geoengineering?

You have yet to establish that geoengineering of the type you are talking about even exists.

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I suggest you take the time needed to observe the phenomenon in situ.

How, exactly? I can't look up in the sky and say "this contrail over here is a chemtrail while that contrail over there is not". Do you have some kind of special super-vision that allows you to analyse the chemical composition of substances? If not, then you can't tell the difference either.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #153 on: 19/09/2017 20:06:47 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/04/2017 23:12:43
You have yet to establish that geoengineering of the type you are talking about even exists.

Ah! The irony! Unless you want to ignore the plethora of scientific articles discussing the role of solar geoengineering in mitigating  climate change, the burden of proof is on you my friend...
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #154 on: 19/09/2017 20:13:17 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 19/09/2017 20:06:47
Ah! The irony! Unless you want to ignore the plethora of scientific articles discussing the role of solar geoengineering in mitigating  climate change,
The discussions are theoretical at best,
So, they don't count as evidence that it's happening do they?
We have explained this to you before; please try to understand it.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #155 on: 19/09/2017 20:25:54 »
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We have explained this to you before; please try to understand it.

You're clearly forgetting that most "scientific" studies on solar geoengineering are being experimentally tested in situ. I don't believe the nonsense that theses "experiments" are being done only in laboratory conditions.
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #156 on: 19/09/2017 21:06:03 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 19/09/2017 20:25:54
I don't believe the nonsense that theses "experiments" are being done only in laboratory conditions
Nor do I. They are documented as being done in the sky.
But the scale is tiny.
Reversing climate change being talked about, but not actually done.
So you have no actual evidence of anything meaningful.

As I said, We have told you this before. Why can't you understand it?
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Re: What is Trump's opinion about chemtrails?
« Reply #157 on: 20/09/2017 06:02:18 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 19/09/2017 20:06:47
Ah! The irony! Unless you want to ignore the plethora of scientific articles discussing the role of solar geoengineering in mitigating climate change

If they exist, then show me. I have no reason to assume it.

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the burden of proof is on you my friend...

You can't prove a negative: it is not on us to show that chemtrails don't exist, it is on you to show that they do. Go ahead and post those scientific articles you mentioned.
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