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What is a jet fuel surrogate?

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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #20 on: 16/10/2016 21:57:22 »
Evidence is not wishful thinking..
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #21 on: 17/10/2016 06:38:42 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 16/10/2016 21:57:22
Evidence is not wishful thinking..
Correct.
And all you have is wishful thinking.
You have no evidence that any clouds you see are anything but water.

You just want to believe that you are one of the few who knows about Some Big Important Thing.
But wishing that does not make it real.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #22 on: 17/10/2016 10:34:32 »
Believing that chemtrails is an assault on human health is definitely Some Big Important Thing.

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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #23 on: 17/10/2016 20:51:28 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 17/10/2016 10:34:32
Believing that chemtrails is an assault on human health is definitely Some Big Important Thing.
Not if it is only a figment of your imagination.
Once again, I remind you that you have no actual evidence that it is happening.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #24 on: 01/12/2016 10:32:07 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/10/2016 20:51:28
Once again, I remind you that you have no actual evidence that it is happening.

Climate change is perhaps the most obvious evidence that clandestine geoengineering activity is altering the weather and Earth biota.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #25 on: 01/12/2016 13:22:04 »
At least you acknowledge that climate change is happening even if you have a bizarre idea as to its cause instead of the more wildly accepted explanation that it is due to the large quantity of carbon dioxide introduced into the atmosphere due to human activity. 
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #26 on: 01/12/2016 20:22:27 »
Climate change is a ideology and clandestine geoengineering activity is a real phenomenon. The evidences for geoengineering modification of the climate is through observation. 
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #27 on: 01/12/2016 20:48:51 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 01/12/2016 20:22:27
Climate change is a ideology and clandestine geoengineering activity is a real phenomenon. The evidences for geoengineering modification of the climate is through observation.

Climate change is a documented fact - you just have to look at the weather records.
There is absolutely nothing "clandestine" about it. We burn a lot of fossil fuel.

You have yet to provide any evidence of any observation that shows that geoengineering is real. Though you have cited some total nonsense, and even some things that outrightly lie about it.



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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #28 on: 02/12/2016 10:48:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/12/2016 20:48:51
Climate change is a documented fact - you just have to look at the weather records.
There is absolutely nothing "clandestine" about it. We burn a lot of fossil fuel.

You have yet to provide any evidence of any observation that shows that geoengineering is real. Though you have cited some total nonsense, and even some things that outrightly lie about it.

Nice try. Climate change is a experimental theory. Clandestine geoengineering activity is observable. There's no point in lying and attempting to distribute disinformation. Observability of scientific phenomenon is necessary to assert its validity.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #29 on: 02/12/2016 18:54:25 »
No, the facts make it clear that the  world is warming
Climate change is a fact.
Just saying "Clandestine geoengineering activity is observable. " doesn't make it true. Show some evidence or drop the subject.

On the other hand, you may remember posting a video saying that it showed some bloke from the CIA "admitting" that geoengineering was real.
It did not say that.
He did not say that
You lied.

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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #30 on: 03/12/2016 19:54:38 »
That video is a first-step toward the CIA accountability of strastospheric aerosol injection.

"Observability of scientific phenomenon is necessary to assert its validity."

   
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #31 on: 03/12/2016 20:35:28 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 03/12/2016 19:54:38
That video is a first-step toward the CIA accountability of strastospheric aerosol injection.
No it is not.
Stop trying to mislead people about it

And, more importantly, it does not say what you claimed it did.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #32 on: 04/12/2016 00:29:24 »
I might be reiterating what has already been written in this long running discussion but the simplest way to inject more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere would be to ease the regulations against burning high sulfur diesel fuel by ships, to do it by modifying aircraft fuel would be vastly expensive whereas the latter would cost nothing.   
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #33 on: 04/12/2016 10:20:59 »
Quote from: syhprum on 04/12/2016 00:29:24
I might be reiterating what has already been written in this long running discussion but the simplest way to inject more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere would be to ease the regulations against burning high sulfur diesel fuel by ships, to do it by modifying aircraft fuel would be vastly expensive whereas the latter would cost nothing.

Although the exact function of solar geoengineering is poorly understood, the injection of engineering nanoparticles in the stratosphere is considered the prefered method to "fix" climate change.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #34 on: 04/12/2016 10:25:28 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2016 20:35:28
Quote from: tkadm30 on 03/12/2016 19:54:38
That video is a first-step toward the CIA accountability of strastospheric aerosol injection.
No it is not.
Stop trying to mislead people about it

And, more importantly, it does not say what you claimed it did.

You are an expert in disinformation. I don't have your skills to manipulate and deceive readers with such dishonest intentions.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #35 on: 04/12/2016 10:55:04 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 04/12/2016 10:25:28
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2016 20:35:28
Quote from: tkadm30 on 03/12/2016 19:54:38
That video is a first-step toward the CIA accountability of strastospheric aerosol injection.
No it is not.
Stop trying to mislead people about it

And, more importantly, it does not say what you claimed it did.

You are an expert in disinformation. I don't have your skills to manipulate and deceive readers with such dishonest intentions.

It's true that you have not got the skills to get away with lying.
Why did you try?
Why did you claim that the video showed the CIA man said we were geoengineering when it was clear to anyone who watched that it did not say that?
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #36 on: 04/12/2016 11:15:32 »
Admitting plans of solar geoengineering when anyone can observe the effects on the environment is lying. There's no way pretending the CIA isn't implicated by denying a simple video.

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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #37 on: 04/12/2016 13:37:56 »
The video, and the claims you made about it, show that you do not reliably tell the truth.
Why should anyone trust anything  you post?


Also you seem to have muddled up global warming which is real, with geoengineering which is, at best, experimental.

Yes we have changed the environment, but that's not geoengineering.
Do you think that a baby who pees in their pants is geoengineering them?
Do you say "Oh dear! the dog has geoengineered the carpet again"?

We have messed up the environment by adding CO2- accidentally. It's not any sort of engineering- geo or otherwise.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #38 on: 05/12/2016 11:21:45 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/12/2016 13:37:56
The video, and the claims you made about it, show that you do not reliably tell the truth.
Why should anyone trust anything  you post?

Your evidences are weak. It is clear to me that this video was not dishonest in publishing
the CIA views on solar geoengineering.

May I recommend you educate yourself on geoengineering: Climate engineering is now considered
a mainstream theory.

"We have messed up the environment by adding CO2- accidentally."

Yes, and the point is that climate hacking is another way to mess up the environment beyond repairs.
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Re: What is a jet fuel surrogate?
« Reply #39 on: 05/12/2016 19:42:17 »
Your evidence is non-existent; in spite of me asking many times.
The CIA view is "maybe it could be possible" but you dishonestly portrayed is as "it's happening now".

Since you delibertely tried to mislead people over that, why should we trust you about anything else?

Climate engineering is a mainstream idea.
Do you understand that isn't the same as saying it's actually happening?

"Yes, and the point is that climate hacking is another way to mess up the environment beyond repairs."
That might be why we are not doing it.
At  the very least, you have provided no evidence that we are doing it.
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