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the problem is that both clocks, A and B, are "still existing", regardless of the dilatation, everything is submited to time, regardless of the dilatation, so there is 2 different constants of the same V, cause V=time, it was never the car that was accelerating, only seems to be like that to us... There is no cuch thing as "I'm walking", or "I'm driving", or "the car is moving at V", everything there is seems to be occuring inside time, and time can occur at different velocity but it's always proportional to the dilatation, no matter where interaction it is happening, not even the dilatation.... For as long your two clocks are the same clocks, they on itself would be readapted to the new dilatation, the only way to provide proof is to math and logic, but as for scientific proof, not likely, the two clock would have to remain the same clocks even when existing on different dilatations of space-time, and this is simple not possible, matter is in correlation with space-time, one cannot simple set two clocks apart of the dilatation to measure... Maybe if you keep the A clock at A dilatation but measuring the events of B, and the clock at B measuring the events on A, this with a considerable distance and dilatation bettween A and B, and certainly not over a planet like earth that is not a good place to test, cause it has a moon, it is translating, and has a silight eliptical orbit around the sun, and most improtant it is indeed very irregular without the water, so there would be many openign to miss interpretations... I believe that conduc such experments on the moon would be a much more easy task instead of using cars and roads... If the two clocks end up measuring the same time on different frames, witch is possible would confirm that time is constant, despise the dilatation, the only thing that would change would be speeds of things, in thsi case the car and the very clocks temselves, even if they are atomic clocks, it would be irrelevant, atomic is precise but is also submited to existence, since the clock is "made" it exists, cannot violate the general law and exist apart from the dilatation where it is occuring...
Yes, and most probably, but seems to be not that simple, two factors remain, a practica understandment of what does create time as a general constant
unless light, more especificaly "photon" were not wrong, only missinterpreteded...
I can't desagree on your question, I agree that time is contant to the dilatation, the same way light is, constant accelerating and dessacelerating speeds only when we are "framing" time on examples, when indeed, equal objects with equal acceleration, always, independently of where they exist inspace, are always moving at the same speed... About l'm not 100% convinced that light has it's speed cause it moves, as for now I agree with the speed of ligth provinient from the speed of the traveling massless photons, but not to confident on the "photon" concept...
If I understood you, space is static on your point of view, but when mass is presented, such as planets, suns, their interaction (with space), starts to set the static onto motion, in my point of view producing our local time( within the heliosphere) or you consider space to be static everywhere at any given instant?
One last consideration, when you check that time is constant despise the dilatation, reaching back, des it leads you to a universe that was composed for only energy, that become matter, that start a singularity and the acceleration of such object, started to decompose matter into energy leaving behind "this empty space blackground we see)? As if matter and planets are now only spearated fragments of once were a unique single think, and the ony reason empty space is now outhere is becose the singularities, have gradually deactivated all that energy/,atter, into all this dark matter? I ask cause most think on the reverse of this...
I could explain beter, but in resume, a big bang, not one that happened over nothing, but one singularity that happened at the very center of the already existing energy(that was already there), the singularity produced the very first empty space on the dimmension, and from that point forward, all the energy that was there was and still sppining in function of the singularity, as it was growng large the center was expanding in area, gradually loosing the acceleration on the center, in a short version all those galaxies existing inside the the center of the singularity, and all those spherical objects outhere, copies of the original dimmension, suns, planet, moons, even atoms, dispise the composition, being only ordinary atempts (local) of the original universe... Time as being result of the general acceleration of the whole universe...
In the twin paradox, the two twins begin on earth. One twin is placed in a rocket and is given relativistic velocity. The moving twin eventually returns to the earth, where he is now younger, compared to the twin, who had remained stationary on earth.
That being the case, I often wondered whether the universal Doppler shift assumption is correct. The reason is, distances will reverse in the twin paradox, but only time will show a permanent change. The question is, is the red shift based on the time shift; frequency shift? The wavelength is the dependent variable; reversible, and not the active variable. It follows the lingering time shift so the product of frequency and wavelength has to equal the speed of light.
When space time is more dilated
Quote from: GoC on 07/10/2016 14:42:54 When space time is more dilated 0 can't dilate, any measurement after 0 becomes instant memory, no matter how fast or slow the rate of measurement or the length of measurement.
Not exactly, it could be possible if we change the conception of where we exist on the universe, could be hat it is indeed 0 and can't dilatate (to minus), but if everything that is is occuring inside the center of a singularity (that is spining), it would change the grid from static, as result time wouldn't be slowing down when near massive objects, what occurs is that at the center of each masive object time would be null, more than this, (no time at all, at the center),
acceleration and electromagnetism, yes, but times seems to require direct interaction with space energy, witch wouldn't be happening at the center... For time t exist, someplace needs empty space, a considerable layer of dese atomic structure with almost no space within the atoms, would virtualy split the universe in two, the outher one could energy and the inner one (tiny fraction that was split), the opossit, hot and expanding, the problem and reason why planets do not explode, seems to be that electromagnetism and charger, provinient form the exitement of this very expansion (sppining), is bounding everything toguether... Only woundering, the inner core expands constantly, as muchas it does the sppining is absorbed by the outhercore, the absorbsion produces electromagnetsm that bound and prevent the planet from expanding too fast, and as long as this cycle keeps happening outher space will remain in constant interaction with the object, compressing itself by being atracted to this... The point is, outer space would be the resting one (+), dilatation would start to occur in function and towards the massive object, becoming (minus-), zero dilatation is possible(when the mass is proportional), but not possible to happen from outside in the body, space has no barriers on the exterior, it simple can't reach even 0 dilatation only on the exterior of the body on normal conditions, to achieve 0 it would requeire a physical barrier of density (mater) to be happening isolated from the whole...For more incomplete and ilogical that it sounds, raises the question, "energy ony became mater becose of time?"and if so..."when matter gets too near to a black hole(considering it, the surrownding of a black hole, as a point of -0 dilatation, where time basicaly does not exist, is all that mater not desapearing on a dimmensional magical hole, but simple, being deactivated from its condition of mater,(before it could even reach the neutron star) and so converted back into space energy?" Could this be the reason why we imagine that mater is falling inside (being stored), when instead it is simple being converted into space energy (before reaching the neutron star)? One consideration, a question, "only for an instant assuming" black holes (neutron stars) as to be acting as ordinary innercores, but one that due it's composition can sustain itself (acceleration) even when in direct interaction with space(without the necessity of a crost), could be the case that the sppining of the neutron star is so fast that the acceleration of space surpases the speed of ligh (density of the medium), in other words, creating a "split" on a point of (minus -0 dilatation) AND since such dilatation should not be possible to exist, by convinience the neutron star able to still existing "isolated" from the whole? Something like, the neutron star, followed by a "spherical barrier of -1 dilatation"(witch means no space existing on that area, true emptiness), followed by the outherspace that we all know and see (enveloping it)? The question is, something that surpasses the speed of light, would not leave this unverse, but simple coexist with it, but being completly apart of it, surrounded by it, but not submited to it and its energy, including time? -0 dilatation could exist cause it could be represented by a "split" separating this universe we see into two pieces(external and internal, the whole exterior universe, and the interior beyond anything that reached and broke that very limit (speed of light)... Like a bubble of gas inside another bubble of the same gas, separated only by the acceleration happening inside of the secund bubble, so fast that it is compressing tge exteror towards it, and expanding anything on the interior "due acceleration' reaching 0(null), a little bit more energy, and it will unbalance between expansion and compression, but for all effects, -0 dilatation of space, is one correct into assume -0 dilation is represented by a rupture betwenn the exterior universe and the object that is accelerating?
First you have to define time before you can describe time affects. The reason you do not understand Alex is because you are not using the same definition of time. Alex has a deeper understanding of time than just <it is>. You may be at the limit of your depth of understanding. As apparently I am also. We are each fixed in our unshakable opinion. I believe both Alex and I feel time is condition caused by space separate from macro mass. There is observation and subjective reasoning for observations it is in the form of theories. Relativity being the best theory because it has passed every test so far. This is a theory based on postulates and not mechanics. When mechanics are removed it opens the door to magical causes. The Copenhagen interpretation opened that door very wide. Multi verse, time travel, worm holes and even the big bang is the result. They are all something from nothing magic. Those that are smarter than I came up with it so it must be true. In the past the so called smartest men of their time voted on the big bang. There were 13 men and the vote was 12 to 1 in favor so it passed for the cause of the creation of mass. I might also remind you that it was a Catholic Priest who named it the Big Bang. He probably wanted to tell science it took 7 days to complete. Some one could have come up with a stat that would have confirmed it but then again the concept of a day would have to have been pre-defined. I grew up with religion from my mother and science with my father. Obviously my father won my mind. Back to proofs. There are no proofs period without a mechanical basis. Mathematicians believe math is mechanical. And yes it is mechanical. A theory has to follow math to be possible but impossible theories can also follow mathematics. Like Einstein I have faith in Relativity. Main stream fails the Relativity postulates. Main streams mechanical structure is non existent so it opens the door to not following the postulates. Lets take light going down a gravity well. Main stream will suggest light increases momentum to be blue shifted. Of course by their interpretation that is the only way the observation could be interpreted by their understanding of their standard model. They violated the constant speed of light postulate in order to maintain their model. That observation should have destroyed there standard model in favor of a model that included red shift without a SR velocity increase of light. This red shift in GR is described in the gamma term for dilation. Space is being expanded by this gamma term (dilation). Than we have to ask what is being dilated? What ever is being dilated is directly affecting light propagation and electron cycle time in what is considered a frame. Mass is dilated to fill a larger volume of space so your measuring stick becomes larger. A larger measuring stick will measure a meter longer than a smaller measuring stick. Your measure of time by either light distance or electron cycle ticks slower to match the measuring stick in your frame. The measured speed of light in every frame in a vacuum is measured to be the same. That the distance measured is not the same is what allows Euclidean mathematics to remain valid. Main stream suggests the magic of contraction of the universe and use the muon as proof. The muon has to slow down in order to react with its new environment of the mass on Earth rather than the energy of space. Space energy has to control the distance and propagation of light and cycle of the electron to measure the speed of light in a vacuum the same in every frame. Or you can maintain a belief in coincidence of magic.When you move a standardized spectrum detector cell down a gravity well the standardization changes its size to the newly dilated frame. Light used for the standardization higher in less dilated space will appear blue shifted to the more dilated position of the detector. The reverse will be a red shifted detection. The speed of light remains the same because the spin of energy particles remain the same. Space energy is an organized pattern while mass is a disorganized pattern causing friction with fundamental energy. That friction is what we describe as energy. Our mass energy is just a conduit for space time energy, zero point energy or Dark mass energy. Name it anything you like other than main streams model of energy from magic.Do I know why the spin energy for the motion of time exists? Absolutely not. That depth of understanding has to be relegated back to the God of the unknown.
Then there would be two votes against instead of one. You have not demonstrated a deep understanding of relativity and appear to be a denier of relativity. As such the lack of understanding the observations that agree with the postulates and none that do not agree would suggest your opinion on relativity is invalid.You assign fact without enough observations to prove your point has validity.