[guest39538]

Firstly, I feel it is important to not look at the attractive side of gravity, but to look at why things don't compress to a complete solid making everything dense.

I personally feel that charge stops total compression of matter because charge is opposed to charge. 


What do you think?

[nilak]

According to GR, it is spacetime curvature. Spacetime looks curved arround matter. From this perspective, I think that actually gravity shouldn't  literally compress matter. Matter looks compressed if viewed from a distance, but space itself should compress not matter. Another problem is what is matter? Compressing matter perhaps doesn't make sense. For example if we consider particles unidimensional, there is nothing to compress but space between particles.  Compressing atoms makes sense because we know the occupy a certain volume. Anyway I don't have a clear view on this.

If we consider spacetime flat, then gravity becomes a force that acts on anything that has energy or momentum.
We don't feel gravity because it acts evenly throughout our entire body, but we do feel the forces that oppose gravity which create pressure regions . I'm not sure if this is commonly accepted but I think it is correct. It is interesting that Einstein used the analogy to acceleration figure it out, because it doesn't necessarily need to be equivalent to acceleration, therefore there is a higher chance spacetime is flat. The fact that gravity can bend light is not a reason to believe spacetime is curved, although it is a nice concept. If you ask me, in fact I think everything is made of EM waves, and OAM light beams not only curve or redshift as they travel in an gravitational field but they can also stop for a moment and turn back towards the field generator, just like matter does.

From my point of view, gravity is either a flow of the medium that enables propagation of waves of matter and light, or possibly an effect of waves interferences.

Gravity can easily overwhelm forces generated by charges.
Charge forces don't keep electrons from falling into the nucleus. The wave behaviour of electrons explains what happens.

I think that atoms can compress if they loose energy. Basically they radiate constantly but if you prevent the incomming radiaton away from them, they cool down. If the temperature of a system is reduced below 10K, the atoms start to behave differently. This make atoms occupy a smaller volume. I think it may be a key to understanding how matter collapses forming BH. Perhaps atoms form a sort of BEC that becomes too dense and massive to be recovered.

[Alex Dullius Siqueira]

Would be wrong to assume that C of gravity does not compress matter, but that instead assume that "C of gravity spins energy". Gravity spins the energy on matter? Therefore matter is not related directly with gravity.
  Matter being a final product of spinning C state of energy in function of gravity, and once again, the final product being recycled from outside in the very system that has created it?

[nilak]

Would be wrong to assume that C of gravity does not compress matter, but that instead assume that "C of gravity spins energy". Gravity spins the energy that matter? Therefore matter is not related directly with gravity.
  Matter being a final product of spinning C state of energy in function of gravity, and once again, the final product being recycled from outside in the very system that has created it?

I suppose c of gravity is the velocity of gravitational waves, which is the same value c. This velocity spins energy?

[guest39538]

Ok guys when thinking about things it is wise basic practice to start at the beginning.  I will say if you are trying relate c to gravity you are wrong .  Gravity is nothing to do with light. Light heats things up, warm things expand , quite the opposite of what we are looking for.  We are looking for cold .

[McQueen]

The Box : I personally feel that charge stops total compression of matter because charge is opposed to charge. 
What do you think?

Very close to it, I think. The number of scientists who agree on the basic scenario that electromagnetism was involved in gravity are too many to even begin to list here.  In Particular those scientists including Poincare who were responsible for the eventual and unintentional revival of the aether theory in the form of relativity. Relativity was originally formulated as a means to to explain why the aether was undetectable.

[GoC]

The Box : I personally feel that charge stops total compression of matter because charge is opposed to charge. 
What do you think?

Very close to it, I think. The number of scientists who agree on the basic scenario that electromagnetism was involved in gravity are too many to even begin to list here.  In Particular those scientists including Poincare who were responsible for the eventual and unintentional revival of the aether theory in the form of relativity. Relativity was originally formulated as a means to to explain why the aether was undetectable.

  Electro-magnetic is a difference in potential. Charge is a difference in potential. Gravity is a difference in potential. c spectrum is the potential.

[LB7]

Gravity is an attraction followed by a repulsion, the net sum is generally not 0. If objects are not to far from each others (with 2 objects for example), the net sum is an attraction, what we called "gravity". Each part of matter is an electromagnetic rotor with N poles, and the rotor turns: not the matter but the waves. Each pole comes from each particle. The frequency (attraction/repulsion) is very high maybe 1e30 Hz or more. The force of attraction (or repulsion) at the maximal value is very high, it is the sum of all small rotor inside each "basic-rotor-particle".

[guest39538]

The Box : I personally feel that charge stops total compression of matter because charge is opposed to charge. 
What do you think?

Very close to it, I think. The number of scientists who agree on the basic scenario that electromagnetism was involved in gravity are too many to even begin to list here.  In Particular those scientists including Poincare who were responsible for the eventual and unintentional revival of the aether theory in the form of relativity. Relativity was originally formulated as a means to to explain why the aether was undetectable.

Ok, so we know that like wise charges repel each other.   What other things can we think of that repel each other?

Could we consider that to a degree an electromagnetic field repels light and light repels an electromagnetic field?

Light sails and the crooks experiment showing light exerts a force/pressure.

added - To extend on this slightly, light doe's not push the sail, light pushes the fields of the sail?

[guest39538]

Gravity is an attraction followed by a repulsion,

According to theory, there is no repulsion and the reason orbits remain is because the orbiting body is trying to travel a straight line.  However I do not entirely agree with that although it is logical accuracy. 
I think on a more local scale is the answer to gravity, rather than looking at orbits.

[guest39538]

According to GR, it is spacetime curvature. Spacetime looks curved arround matter. From this perspective, I think that actually gravity shouldn't  literally compress matter. Matter looks compressed if viewed from a distance, but space itself should compress not matter. Another problem is what is matter? Compressing matter perhaps doesn't make sense. For example if we consider particles unidimensional, there is nothing to compress but space between particles.  Compressing atoms makes sense because we know the occupy a certain volume. Anyway I don't have a clear view on this.

If we consider spacetime flat, then gravity becomes a force that acts on anything that has energy or momentum.
We don't feel gravity because it acts evenly throughout our entire body, but we do feel the forces that oppose gravity which create pressure regions . I'm not sure if this is commonly accepted but I think it is correct. It is interesting that Einstein used the analogy to acceleration figure it out, because it doesn't necessarily need to be equivalent to acceleration, therefore there is a higher chance spacetime is flat. The fact that gravity can bend light is not a reason to believe spacetime is curved, although it is a nice concept. If you ask me, in fact I think everything is made of EM waves, and OAM light beams not only curve or redshift as they travel in an gravitational field but they can also stop for a moment and turn back towards the field generator, just like matter does.

From my point of view, gravity is either a flow of the medium that enables propagation of waves of matter and light, or possibly an effect of waves interferences.

Gravity can easily overwhelm forces generated by charges.
Charge forces don't keep electrons from falling into the nucleus. The wave behaviour of electrons explains what happens.

I think that atoms can compress if they loose energy. Basically they radiate constantly but if you prevent the incomming radiaton away from them, they cool down. If the temperature of a system is reduced below 10K, the atoms start to behave differently. This make atoms occupy a smaller volume. I think it may be a key to understanding how matter collapses forming BH. Perhaps atoms form a sort of BEC that becomes too dense and massive to be recovered.

Understands that opposing fields stop all the Quarks being a whole. The answer we seek in my opinion is why a Quark is attracted to a Quark. Seemingly there is strong nuclear force holding them together as a Proton. So what is the strong nuclear force? I think if we can answer that, we can answer what gravity is.

[guest39538]

Idea - Could we place a low  mass magnet on a sheet of ice and move the magnet by using light?

[nilak]

Idea - Could we place a low  mass magnet on a sheet of ice and move the magnet by using light?

The magnet is made of matter, therefore light will give it a little kick. A demagmetised magnet would probably be pushed with the same force.
Even atoms act like little magnets, therefore your low mass magnet can be a single atom.

[nilak]

Here are some thoughts about gravity:
https://dwgtheory.quora.com/A-hypothesis-on-how-gravity-works

https://dwgtheory.quora.com/Gravity-could-be-a-consequence-of-electromagnetic-field-interference

[guest39538]

Idea - Could we place a low  mass magnet on a sheet of ice and move the magnet by using light?

The magnet is made of matter, therefore light will give it a little kick. A demagmetised magnet would probably be pushed with the same force.
Even atoms act like little magnets, therefore your low mass magnet can be a single atom.

So how easy would it be for light to push a planet if the planet was not under any inertia?

[nilak]

Idea - Could we place a low  mass magnet on a sheet of ice and move the magnet by using light?

The magnet is made of matter, therefore light will give it a little kick. A demagmetised magnet would probably be pushed with the same force.
Even atoms act like little magnets, therefore your low mass magnet can be a single atom.

So how easy would it be for light to push a planet if the planet was not under any inertia?

Yes, but it wouldn't be a planet anymore, with no inertial mass. But, what is the point?

[guest39538]

Here are some thoughts about gravity:
https://dwgtheory.quora.com/A-hypothesis-on-how-gravity-works

https://dwgtheory.quora.com/Gravity-could-be-a-consequence-of-electromagnetic-field-interference

Thank you for the links which I have browsed over, I can not ''see'' how or why light would have anything to do with gravity, processes involving light are sort of the opposite to gravity.  Light makes things expand, light is sort of ''anti-matter''.  If it were not for the bonding/gravity , particles would stay separated because hf/S making that particle ''warm''.  ''Warm'' breaks ''bonds''.   
So ty for your links but I feel that is the wrong path to take by involving light.

[guest39538]

Idea - Could we place a low  mass magnet on a sheet of ice and move the magnet by using light?

The magnet is made of matter, therefore light will give it a little kick. A demagmetised magnet would probably be pushed with the same force.
Even atoms act like little magnets, therefore your low mass magnet can be a single atom.

So how easy would it be for light to push a planet if the planet was not under any inertia?

Yes, but it wouldn't be a planet anymore, with no inertial mass. But, what is the point?

My point would be that we could broaden that and look at the affects of galaxies pushing galaxies .  Things within a galaxy have inertia, but does the galaxy have inertia?  It could be a case that the light/heat of galaxies push other galaxies, thus explaining spacial expansion.   
This then takes me back to looking at charge , likewise charges of one galaxy having push affect on another likewise charge galaxy. There is evidence of gravity within an isolated system , i.e a galaxy and the entropy of the system, but there is no evidence that beyond the event horizon of a galaxy that there is any inertia?

[guest39538]

I will just leave this here for a while so I don't lose this thought. 


added note to remember:  All the matter wants to go to a central point of the centripetal force of the spacial Maelstrom  but the fields opposed to fields prevents this.

added note - so how do I get dark energy , a negative energy or constant that is undetectable, to rotate?

added note - hmmm, maybe it was not the field that spun first, maybe a process between particles caused initial spin of particles and the kinetic energy evolved the spin of the dark energy.

Sorry just speaking aloud lol.


If two particles were attracted to each other on a linear path and collided, the F of collision would cause spin, hmmmm, but then where do I get the particle from to begin with?  Maybe somehow it was dark energy ''dust''.



But then I am back with the original problem, how do the particles attract each other to begin with?

[GoC]

There are two fractal systems at work. Both have there own fractal density. Energy and mass. The next fractal size up is BH's where our mass is its energy. What moves the electron?