[Colin2B]

Hi there PM
We allow a very wide range of alternative views in this section of the forum, but we do ask that everyone adheres to the forum rules and keep the tone friendly. Easy to be misunderstood and come across badly.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #421

The point is that the Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) model accommodates elements of both the Big Bang cosmological model, and Quantum Field Theory.

Let’s look at the opening of the Lambda CMD Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model

The ΛCDM (Lambda cold dark matter) or Lambda-CDM model is a parametrization of the Big Bang cosmological model in which the universe contains a cosmological constant, denoted by Lambda (Greek Λ)…

Note it starts with reference and a link to the Cosmological constant Wiki.

Notice the comparison between that and the opening statement in the false vacuum Wiki, described in Quantum Field Theory, which starts with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum

In quantum field theory, a false vacuum is a hypothetical vacuum that is somewhat, but not entirely, stable. It may last for a very long time in that state, and might eventually move to a more stable state. The most common suggestion of how such a change might happen is called bubble nucleation - if a small region of the universe by chance reached a more stable vacuum, this 'bubble' would spread.
A false vacuum may only exist at a local minimum of energy and is therefore not stable, in contrast to a true vacuum, which exists at a global minimum and is stable. A false vacuum may be very long-lived, or metastable.
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The cosmological constant is to the declining energy density of space in Big Bang Theory, what vacuum energy density in both false and true vacuums is to the various levels of vacuum mentioned in Quantum Field Theory, with theory specific differences of course.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

To : Colin
 Sounds reasonable . I be laughin' , not hatin' .  Sometimes my humor escapes it's target though , maybe Gerber's humor ?   
 Truthfully , any contest of smarts generates hypersensitivity in some individuals .  It is unavoidable in a large sample .  The most insecure will scream the loudest, the sure-footed will laugh their basses off ! 
 I will try to reduce the biting humor , just remember , most of your audience  ( readers ) would like a little entertainment with their activities .  Better to please them , than a few who smart from a lost debate .
 Anyhoo , enuff sickology .
    Hi-ho Silver !  Away !     P.M.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #423

Hi there PM
We allow a very wide range of alternative views in this section of the forum, but we do ask that everyone adheres to the forum rules and keep the tone friendly. Easy to be misunderstood and come across badly.

I would say that Colin2B was diligent in reviewing the activity in this section and on this thread, and concluded that the tone of recent contributions could be mistaken as unfriendly, and could be misunderstood. I appreciate his reminder that even though there is a wide range of views permitted in this section, there are also standards of conduct that should be adhered to. I choose not to respond to members who carelessly come across badly or as unfriendly, and personally withhold judgement as to how I perceive such posts.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

Good man !  Tolerance & under-standing be FUNdamental to a human society , I have , however , dialed back the biting humor .
 No more Rodney !     P.M.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

Mr. Kryptid ,
 It would need to be done according to my magic formula .  It's really a tightrope system .  Don't worry though , it won't be too long , blowing people up just to irradiate them will grow old quick .           P.M.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #426

Good man !  Tolerance & under-standing be FUNdamental to a human society , I have , however , dialed back the biting humor .
No more Rodney !     P.M.

Good form; welcome to TNS

[Kryptid]

Mr. Kryptid ,
 It would need to be done according to my magic formula .  It's really a tightrope system .  Don't worry though , it won't be too long , blowing people up just to irradiate them will grow old quick .           P.M.

Why are you bringing up my name in this thread? I don't have any previous posts here.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

Sooorry , my bad !
          Ghostbuster

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #429

Back home to the ISU

Though drawn to wander from the light,
And Caused to waver from the verse,
One can never really leave
the Infinite Spongy Universe

The cosmological constant is to the declining energy density of space in Big Bang Theory, what vacuum energy density in both false and true vacuums is to the various levels of vacuum mentioned in Quantum Field Theory, with theory specific differences of course.

What I’m trying to say is that in the ISU, the observable galaxies and galaxy groups in our Hubble view make up only a portion of one big bang arena in the ISU’s infinite and eternal multiple big bang arena landscape. It is generally acknowledged that the energy density in that observable arena is in decline as the observed galaxies and galaxy groups display apparent expansion.

Apparent expansion in the ISU refers to the separation momentum that is observed among the galaxies and galaxy groups. That separation momentum is determined by the redshift data accumulated by observing relative motion of galaxies and galaxy groups across the Hubble view. It is based on a shift in the position of spectral lines toward the red end in the electromagnetic spectrum of the light from distant galaxies.

Note that separation momentum action in the ISU is interpreted to be the result of the relative motion between the galaxies and galaxy groups, causing the distance between them to increase. That differs from the explanation of inflation in Big Bang Theory however, where the redshift data is attributed to new space being added between galaxies.

Also note that if you are following along with my thread in the Naked Scientists Cosmology sub-forum, “What are they saying about Quantum Gravity?”, in this post (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74634.msg553084#msg553084) you would see I mention that even Inflation theory is now under reconsideration.

Thus, in the ISU, space does not expand, but instead, galaxies separate from each other in pre-existing space.

Remember though that in the ISU model, there is a greater universe, occupying infinite space, and that space contains a potentially infinite number of similar big bang arenas, expanding and converging in an eternal display of the perpetual process of arena action.

Arena action entails the events where and when two or more expanding arenas converge and overlap somewhere in that landscape. When that occurs, their galactic material is forced to give up its local separation momentum by the force of gravity playing on the converging galaxies in the overlap space. The local separation of the affected big bang arenas ends as the galactic contents of the two converging parent arenas swirl and accumulate into a new local big crunch at the center of gravity of the overlap space.

The ISU “predicts” that there is an “arena quantum” of energy that will be accumulated in each new big crunch by the accretion of galactic material from the convergence of parent arenas. The arena quantum is a constant value of the amount of gravitational wave energy that can be accumulated in a single big crunch before the crunch fails under the compression of gravity. That value is the equivalent amount of energy contained in all of the matter making up the particles and objects, and all of the wave energy in the space between particles and objects in an entire big bang arena. Big Bang arenas are quantized in the ISU.

When the “critical capacity” of such a crunch is reached, the individual wave-particles in the crunch are gravitationally forced to give up their individual spaces, and they collapse to a relatively tiny shared space environment at the core of the overlap space. That collapse/bang is nature’s most energetic event, marked by the in-falling matter and energy of the crunch until it has reached the maximum limit of wave energy density allowed by the invariant laws of nature.

When that maximum density is reached, the infall is interrupted as if like hitting a brick wall, and there is a physical bounce of wave energy. The “bounce” is a conversion from inflowing wave energy toward the core of the overlap space, to an out flow of gravitational wave energy away from the impenetrable space containing nature’s density limit. That out flow is rapid, at nature’s maximum velocity of wave energy expansion, and marks the initial expansion of the new big bang arena that has just been “born” out of the convergence of the “parent” arenas.

By the time the initial expansion of the new arena commences, the crunch is gone; it has been converted into a ball of hot dense-state wave energy. The energy ball is expanding back out into space that has been left relatively vacant by the sequence of events.

Rapid energy density equalization ensues. Nature’s highest energy density environment (the hot dense ball) begins to equalize with nature’s lowest energy density environment (the newly vacated local space). Energy density equalization, a force in its own right in the ISU model, causes the energy density of the local expanding arena to rapidly decline in the new arena.

That decline in density corresponds to the decay of the hot dense arena ball of energy (sometimes referred to in the ISU as the arena particle). The decay process results in a series of exotic particles, eventually reaching a stable set of particles when arena density declines sufficiently to where the known stable sub-atomic particles have formed across the entire new arena. Atoms and molecules then form, and radiation within the arena begins.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #430

If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?

On this thread we are looking at a simple layman level cosmological model based on science, logic, and speculation. Everything about it is open for discussion, comments, and opposing arguments. It is a work in progress since 2001 or so on the Internet, and has evolved over the years. There were early discussions on the Yahoo discussion boards, and then on to various science forums that permitted discussion of layman  alternative ideas, including Bad Astronomy and the Universe Today (BAUT)/CosmoQuest, TOEQuest, ATS (Above Top Secret), The Science Forum, SciForums, as well establishing a presence on Twitter under the Bogie_smiles handle, where I tweet about cosmology and quantum gravity.

The Naked Scientists Forum, http://nakedscientists.com, is the present home site for the continuing development of the model, where I am the originating poster [OP], Bogie_smiles, and where I have been a member since May 2017. During that period I have been updating the layman level model by utilizing the forum’s Simple Machines software feature that permits modifying previous posts on the thread.

Together, the above paragraphs, and the following content in this post, is an example of how I am utilizing that feature. The content of this post has been moved to, and included in the opening post,  and early posts that are affected will be modified in due course, to keep this thread updated as an evolving version of the ISU model.

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Introducing The Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU)

The model is called the Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) model of the cosmology of the universe. That name will begin to make sense as you become familiar with the particulars of the model, and tackling the meaning of “sponginess” is a good place to start.

Why Spongy?

Spongy, or sponginess has to do with quantized energy density changes that take place on both a grand scale across the landscape of the greater universe, and on the tiny scale of the quantum action that takes place at the micro level of order. Each level has its respective action process, with the Big Bang Arena Action process governing action at the macro level, and the Quantum Action process governing the action at the micro level of order.

To state that in other words, we have changes in wave energy density that are occurring continually at both the micro and macro levels, and at each level, the action is governed by a similar action process that causes changes in the local wave energy density to occur. The difference between levels is that at the macro level, the wave action involves multiple big bangs and big bang arena waves that play out over billions and perhaps trillions of years, as they expand and converge freely across the landscape of the greater universe, while at the micro level, the wave action involves the formation of tiny high energy density “spots” and tiny sub-quantum waves that expand and converge momentarily in the oscillating wave energy background of space.

The mention of quantization of the action processes refers to the concept that big crunches and the resulting arena waves they produce are macro level quanta, while high energy density spots and the tiny quantum waves that they produce are micro level quanta.

The discussion of the mechanics of the action taking place at both levels involves the details of quantization at each level, and how the two major quantum increments, the big crunches at the macro level and the high energy density spots at the micro level, are orchestrated by their respective action processes, into a perpetual, steady state, multiple big bang arena universe.

That points to a key feature of the model; the sameness of the action taking place at both ends of the size scale. The process of Quantum Action is the micro level counterpart to Arena Action at the macro level of order, and so there is a theme of “sameness” throughout the model.

Highlighting that theme, there is an infinite Big Bang arena landscape at the macro level that fills all space, and an infinitesimal oscillating wave energy background at the micro level that also fills all space; a duality of action occurring at opposite ends of a spatial size scale as time passes.

Looking deeper into the mechanics at the macro level, the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe is composed of multiple big bang arenas that expand, converge, and overlap, with convergences resulting in big crunches. Big crunches in turn collapse/bang into new expanding big bang arena waves, continually appearing here and there across the landscape. Big crunches themselves are referred to as dense-state wave energy cores that accumulate at the center of gravity of the overlap spaces, that then collapse/bang into the expanding big bang arena waves. Arena waves are nature's quantized macro level equivalent to the quantum increments of wave energy that are the internal components of wave-particles and objects at the micro level.

To continue the description of the mechanics, the collapse/bangs produce arena waves that expand, mature, fill with wave-particles, that clump, forming stars, and stars internally produce heavy nuclei, as well as form into galactic structure, only to then be caught up in a new arena wave convergence with one or more adjacent expanding big bang arena waves in the local surrounding landscape.

The convergence of two or more expanding Big Bang arena waves will continue the process by producing a big crunch in the overlap space of each convergence, and those crunches will accrete galactic matter and energy from the parent arenas, growing in matter/energy content until they reach nature's “critical capacity” and collapse/bang, and on goes the sameness, perpetuating the Arena Action process.

Looking deeper into the mechanics at the micro level, the infinitesimal oscillating wave energy background is composed of multiple microwave level energy increments that expand, converge, and overlap, with the convergences resulting in high energy density spots. High energy density spots in turn generate new energy waves that expand out of the points of convergence to perpetuate the oscillations across the background. High energy density spots themselves are referred to as dense-state wave energy peaks that form at the points of convergence of two or more oscillating waves, that then emerge into the surrounding space as a new waves in the oscillating background.

Oscillating waves assist the advance of more meaningful gravitational and light energy waves that are natures quantized micro level equivalent to the quantum increments of wave energy that are the big crunches and big bang arena waves that are the components of the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe.

So the “sponginess” of the model refers to the expansion and collapse of energy density environments at both the macro and micro levels. Arena action perpetually defeats entropy across the landscape of the greater universe, and quantum action is the causative factor in the micro level decay of macro level arena particles from which the low entropy, hot, dense-state balls of energy emerge from big crunches as they collapse/bang.

To be continued …

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

… Continued from previous post

Reply #431

The ISU is a “From-the-Bottom-Up”, step-by-step Model

The model can be said to start with a specifying definition of nothingness:
Nothingness is no space, no time, no energy, and no potential for any space, time, or energy.

Using that definition as the “bottom”, the first step is to derive a conclusion from the definition of nothingness, and that conclusion is that it is impossible for something to come from nothing. From that conclusion, we derive the concept that there was no beginning, i.e., the main premise of the model is that the universe as always existed.

If you object to the definition of nothingness, or have an opposing argument to the conclusion I derive from the given definition, you are encouraged to reply.

[guest39538]

… Continued from previous post

Reply #431
This content will soon be edited into the previous post and into the OP/early posts as part of the on-going update process of the ISU model.

The ISU is a “From-the-Bottom-Up”, step-by-step Model

The model can be said to start with a specifying definition of nothingness:
Nothingness is no space, no time, no energy, and no potential for any space, time, or energy.

Using that definition as the “bottom”, the first step is to derive a conclusion from the definition of nothingness, and that conclusion is that it is impossible for something to come from nothing. From that conclusion, we derive the concept that there was no beginning, i.e., the main premise of the model is that the universe as always existed.

If you object to the definition of nothingness, or have an opposing argument to the conclusion I derive from the given definition, you are encouraged to reply.

Good day Mr Smiles 

My only real argument with your notion, what are we considering when you say Universe?  I assume you mean matter included in which I disagree.  I consider an infinite space of nothingness that contains no thing, however the space can be seen as some thing, it is space.  How do you derive that matter always existed ? 

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #433

Good day Mr Smiles

My only real argument with your notion, what are we considering when you say Universe?  I assume you mean matter included in which I disagree.  I consider an infinite space of nothingness that contains no thing, however the space can be seen as some thing, it is space.  How do you derive that matter always existed ? 

I do include matter in the conclusion that the universe has always existed. You are not alone in considering empty space as nothingness, but if you look closely at the consensus theories, space is not presented as nothing, it is said to have properties. Those properties make space subject to stretching, bending and curving, not to mention that space is said to have emerged from an initial event, the Big Bang in General Relativity/Big Bang Theory. Theories evolve, and my layman level view of cosmology evolves too, so your thoughts are a part of that evolution.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

        Gentlephilosopherstones :
Someone said " layman " so I must go him one better .This uninformed    layman sees a universe full of
"matter" ( frozen energy ) , which used to be energy contained within space ( light , gravity waves , etc.) , which used to be empty space ( an unexplained energy matrix NOT containing any waves ) , which unfolded from "nothing" , after extra-universal physics applied the energy to create " Space ". 
Beyond this I leave it to you cosmic gymnasts & contortionists to origami your brains into headaches .  Me, I know my limitations when I'm staring at them ! 
Adios , Headache Muchachos ! P.M

[Professor Mega-Mind]

 Exercise , exercise , come on every body now let's exercise !  Whew , I'm out of breath already ! 
D'ever wonder whyy...wolves howl at the moon ? 
Seriously , though , if ya ever want to know what a living superscope sees , ask ol' Perfessor what it is .
.............P.M.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Maybe I can add some content to this thread by referencing:


What are they saying about quantum gravity?
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74634.msg559816



... and by referencing the discussion in the Chat sub-forum that evolved out of Thebox's thread, The Dogma of Science:
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75389.msg561246#msg561246

[guest39538]

For the record, I have used the word “spherical” about 75 times in this thread (so far), lol.

It is hard to represent spherical  oscillations  in a diagram or  animation .  Our  ideas  are  very similar .


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

For the record, I have used the word “spherical” about 75 times in this thread (so far), lol.

It is hard to represent spherical  oscillations  in a diagram or  animation .  Our  ideas  are  very similar .


 

Great minds think alike ... What is our excuse, lol.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

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