[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

It sort of defeats the objective to be honest, defining the beginning can only have one first action, although multiple BB's could of followed.

I think I understand your post; let me restate part of it in my words:
Paraphrasing fjoosk …
If the premise is that there was a first action, i.e., a beginning of the universe, then there would be only one such first action, by definition. Never-the-less, given a single first action at the beginning of the universe, and acknowledging the possibility of many subsequent multiple big bangs, each producing a big bang arena much like our observable universe (as descried in the ISU model), it could be said that each big bang event was a first action relative to each new expanding big bang arena.

If that is what you are saying, I would first point out that in the ISU model there was no first action; the universe has always existed.

Do you want to offer any clarification of the intent of your post?

[Lance Canham]

How about an infinite big bang over and infinite period of time over an infinite universe.  Each using the last as the fuel for the next. Fuel may or may not be the word.  a given bb evolves to a state similar to what we have now and then the large scale structure does it all over again.  So a whole infinite universe goes through the BB phase over and over again where by each ones product of large scale structures controlled by gravity and all its space expand and form a new wave of particles which the forces slowly begin to take hold.  Lather rinse repeat.  Did it infinite times and will do it infinite times.  Gives dark matter - Dark energy a- AND increasing rate of expansion.

You only need a galaxy more worth of matter for every VUS (visible universe size) over a large area compared to another large area that does not have that extra mass per VUS to make it all happen again if the universe is infinite.

[guest39538]

God and the Universe are One and the Same

You know we agree that the Universe has always existed , we differ in the way we look at matters existence , I believe matter has not always existed where  if I remember correctly  you think matter always existed too .

Within me
Around me
The transparency of God
The greatness of divide
The distance between our minds ..

Logically and physically I consider God and space itself are one and the same , the existence of matter being a 100% miracle .   
The properties of space itself describe God , ''immortal'', everywhere ,  etc . 

Anyway we both know science would never just accept a miracle lol and we know religion would not accept that Gods only purpose was to ''perform''  a single miracle then let what will be , be . 

Anyway I wish you luck and hope you publish one day , it's a good theory . I'm back to the giving up 









 

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

How about an infinite big bang over and infinite period of time over an infinite universe.  Each using the last as the fuel for the next. Fuel may or may not be the word.  a given bb evolves to a state similar to what we have now and then the large scale structure does it all over again.  So a whole infinite universe goes through the BB phase over and over again where by each ones product of large scale structures controlled by gravity and all its space expand and form a new wave of particles which the forces slowly begin to take hold.  Lather rinse repeat.  Did it infinite times and will do it infinite times.  Gives dark matter - Dark energy a- AND increasing rate of expansion.

You only need a galaxy more worth of matter for every VUS (visible universe size) over a large area compared to another large area that does not have that extra mass per VUS to make it all happen again if the universe is infinite.

I’ve encountered similar thinking over the years, and it never seemed convincing. There are many who debunk it out there, and a search for “problems with the cyclical models”, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=problems+with+the+cyclical+models&t=osx&ia=about
 is a good place to start. Enjoy.

My Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) model reflects a layman’s work in process attempt at a more complete view, and axiomatically invokes the three infinites: Space, time, and energy (go to opening post, lol.)

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

God and the Universe are One and the Same

You know we agree that the Universe has always existed , we differ in the way we look at matters existence , I believe matter has not always existed where  if I remember correctly  you think matter always existed too .

I do equate matter with gravitational wave energy density convergences in space, so yes, in the ISU model, the universe is composed of space, time, and wave energy.

Within me
Around me
The transparency of God
The greatness of divide
The distance between our minds ..

Logically and physically I consider God and space itself are one and the same , the existence of matter being a 100% miracle .   
The properties of space itself describe God , ''immortal'', everywhere ,  etc .

Anyway we both know science would never just accept a miracle lol and we know religion would not accept that Gods only purpose was to ''perform''  a single miracle then let what will be , be . 

Human’s have a spiritual side, and each of us has an individual way of thinking and expressing it.

Anyway I wish you luck and hope you publish one day , it's a good theory . I'm back to the giving up 

I won’t be publishing in the technical sense, but my threads are archived in various places on the Internet.

If you give up, that is one tiny permission towards others giving up, and I don’t know why you would want to unless you are feeling down. So cheer up, we still have the Internet that loves us, lol.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Just a point of interest to me, my wife was in London today, on an excursion from a Princess Cruise she is taking with ten of her BFFs, and said she loves it. If I had made the trip I would have made it a point to visit Cambridge too.

It does look like you have given up, but I encourage you to reconsider.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The experience of conducting a thread in the New Theories sub-forum at TNS is a personal adventure into one man’s speculative views of the universe. Feel free to argue, since a personal speculation carries the weight of one man’s logic, and to propose a different view is as simple as using different logic.

However, within the precepts of my personal view of the cosmology of the universe, The Infinite Spongy Universe Model, is the idea that humans, in fact any established intelligent life form, will evolve “sound” logic that goes hand in hand with its getting established as an independent life form over increasing time and space.

The premise that goes along with the power of the idea of sound logic is that two logical individuals may very will agree on a particular speculation. As logical minded thinkers weigh the evidence, science consensus quickly builds,

The three Infinities (considered axiomatic), space, time and energy, are at the heart of the ISU model, so if you have comments, thoughts or any objections/ideas to add, feel free to say.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_27_01_18_2_29_16.jpeg


Space is boundless, time is eternal, and energy fills all space.

What is energy? It is waves traversing space over time. Wave fronts carry energy through space. In the ISU model, all wave energy is conserved, meaning that as two wave fronts converge, a third wave front is produced. The third wave emerges from the point of intersection of two parent waves, and as the converging parent wave fronts proceed to form an overlap space, the overlap space trends to expand spherically and increase in volume. That growing volume represents the new expanding third wave front, carrying the combined energy of the parent wave fronts.

It is a perpetual process.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

When two or more “wave fronts” converge, what exactly is converging?

In the ISU model, wave front convergences occur at many orders of magnitude, but the foundational wave action of the universe consists of gravitational waves as predicted by Einstein, and discovered by LIGO.

LIGO detected examples of some of nature’s most energetic waves; those produced by the in-swirling “death” spiral of two black holes. Einstein’s prediction of gravitational waves is consistent with the premise that the source of gravitational waves is relative motion between objects with mass.

Just as relative motion applies to the in-swirling blackholes, it also applies to the apple falling from the tree, and the relative motion of tiny quanta that make up all mass. It is easy to conclude that gravitational waves fill all space.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The myriad of gravitational waves filling all space gives each point in space a specific, but always fluctuating amount of energy, so space can be characterized as a fluctuating point by point gravitational wave energy density.

The closer you are to the most massive object in your vicinity of space, the higher the local gravitational wave energy density.

According to the ISU model, the massive objects are emitting gravitational waves proportional to their mass, and to maintain their relative mass, they absorb gravitational wave energy to replace the energy emitted.

It is this emitted gravitational wave energy that fills in the space between massive objects.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The ISU model is based on the reasoning that the entire universe is composed of gravitational wave energy; space is filled with it, and everything with mass in the universe is composed of it.

The mechanism includes the idea that hints of mass form at the intersection points where expanding gravitational waves converge, and gravitational waves are continually converging everywhere. The directional inflow at the points of convergence of gravitational wave energy means that the hints of mass have directionally inflowing components, and the resulting “third waves” that form at the points of the convergence produce the spherical out flowing component of gravitational wave energy. All mass has both inflowing and out flowing gravitational wave energy components.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Wave-particles are thus composed of multiple internal wave energy convergences creating what are called standing wave patterns, where the inflowing and out flowing gravitational waves that make up the wave-particles establish a pattern of wave intersections that are continually refreshed by the on-going directionally converging wave action.

Photons are wave-particles that absorb all of their inflowing gravitational wave energy from the direction of motion, which accounts for the fact that they travel at the local speed of light in the direction of motion. The photon wave-particles emit gravitational wave energy spherically as they traverse space, converting the continual inflow of directional gravitational wave energy to a continual spherical third wave action of out flowing gravitational wave energy.

Key concept: The outflowing gravitational wave energy component from the photon wave-particle is light energy in the ISU model.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply 472

On the premise that in the ISU Model of Cosmology, God and the Universe are one and the same, anything that seems Supernatural has natural causes that we don’t yet understand.


Note:

The Meaning of Life in the Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) philosophy

According the ISU, the meaning of life can be derived from the philosophy of Eternal Intent as it is described herein above, which individually says that life is what we find it to be as we live it.

The greater meaning of life is in the perpetual existence of life and life forms across the infinity of space and time, governed by natural laws that predict it to be generated and evolved from natural circumstances.

In a universe that is infinite and eternal; life has and always will exist.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Reply #473

In the ISU model of the cosmology of the universe, matter and wave-particles are one and the same. Wave-particles can interact with each other from either of two perspectives.

One perspective is associated with their particle nature, where the gravitational wave intersections within the standing wave patterns that make up the wave-particles are the discrete quanta referred to as hints of mass. Adjacent wave-particles fuel each other by exchanging gravitational wave energy emissions. The out flowing gravitational wave energy from one wave-particle provides the inflowing gravitational wave energy for surrounding wave particles, and the intersections of those gravitational waves form the hints of mass within the standing wave patterns.

The other perspective is associated with the on-going gravitational wave action that takes place in the space between wave intersections and which is the immediate source of subsequent wave intersections that form the quanta that make up the contained energy of the standing wave patterns that establish the presence of wave-particles.

Convergences of gravitational waves have mass, and the tiny quanta are hints of mass that interact with each other via the third wave that forms subsequent to the formation of each quanta and leads to the formation of new quanta, to maintain the standing wave pattern and the presence of mass.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Warning: 3/11/2020 getting ready to post again after 9 months of inactivity ...

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

I wouldn't blame anyone if they jumped in and took exception to my reply #473, or to any of the many speculations that this thread contains.

For example,
"Convergences of gravitational waves have mass, and the tiny quanta are hints of mass that interact with each other via the third wave that forms subsequent to the formation of each quanta and leads to the formation of new quanta, to maintain the standing wave pattern and the presence of mass."

This is the time to feel free to comment on any of these speculations, because an on-topic response would be a chance to respond before I begin to go further into the depths of the "as yet unknown" from my perspective of the "third wave" concept.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Is there anyone who understands the "third wave" concept? You have to think of everything in space {the infinite space that makes up the infinite and eternal universe) in terms of energy, and energy in space takes the form of waves that travel through space from a point of origin. Points of origin are points where pre-existing energy waves converge. Wave convergences produce the third waves, and every wave is continually in the process of convergences. Can you make any sense out of that idea?

[puppypower]

Is there anyone who understands the "third wave" concept? You have to think of everything in space {the infinite space that makes up the infinite and eternal universe) in terms of energy, and energy in space takes the form of waves that travel through space from a point of origin. Points of origin are points where pre-existing energy waves converge. Wave convergences produce the third waves, and every wave is continually in the process of convergences. Can you make any sense out of that idea?

MY guess is this has to do with wave addition. If we have two waves they will add as a third wave. Wave 1 plus Wave 2 equals Wave A.



As implied by the second scenario; wave B, if the early universe was initially composed of equal and opposite waves, where all the wave pairs cancel, although there would be a lot of energy present, it would not be visible; hidden energy.

One would need to add a partition in the stillness, to make the hidden energy reappear. A partition, such as matter, will disrupt the wave addition causing crests and troughs to appear, one on each side of the partition. The crest on one side and the trough on the other  will create a potential across the partition, The partition will move from high to lower energy wave pressure. As its moves the crest and trough reverse; vibration.

Conceptually we could generate endless energy by simply creating a suitable partition within zero point energy. The wavelength of this energy will determine the opacity needs of the partition or else the wave addition will pass right through

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Thanks Puppypower for that analysis. I used to spend a lot of time thinking about wave energy and wave convergences, and came to some conclusions that went beyond where mainstream science and evidence based experimental results seem to go. I thought through my own speculations and concluded that there are many "as yet" unknowns that provide food for thought. I check back now and then, and sometimes get a new idea or two, especially when people like you offer their thoughts. Thanks again.

[xersanozgen]

According to big bang theory we (Solar system/Milky Way/ local cluster...) must be on a spherical surface. In this case, if the universe has singularity we would not see any thing outside of this sphere. Whereas celestial objects are isotropic. That is, they are present on every directions.

This detection indicates that the universe is like multi- cellular foam; so multiverse instead of universe.

This opinion had been explaned in my study (Light kinematics to analyze space time)