[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

mRNA vaccines are unnatural. Does it mean that they are bad, as they can prevent some deaths?

Vaccines are generally a good thing as they provide a path to a natural end.

You seem to contradict yourself.

Would you prefer to live shorter? or live longer instead?
Will you do anything to live longer or shorter (according to your own preference)?
Or you won't do anything of such efforts, and
Is killed by contagious diseases natural enough for you? what about venomous snake, or being struck by lightning?

leave it to nature?

leave it to nature?

Is the best way.

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You seem to contradict yourself.

Not really as I believe utopia is at the end but we have a choice as to whether we try and extend our lives or let go. I personally would try to extend my life if need be as I do not want to leave my family but whatever happens we must all face the last day when it comes and see if that really is utopia. When I say leave it to nature I mean the nature of the individual in question as to the steps that they take at a critical time.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

When I say leave it to nature I mean the nature of the individual in question as to the steps that they take at a critical time.

If someone needs a heart surgery, or chemotherapy to stay alive, should they take it?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

PHILOSOPHY - The Development of Mindreading

In this Wireless Philosophy video, Jennifer Nagel gives an overview of the development of mindreading abilities, starting with infant sensitivity to the direction of gaze, and covering the major milestones up to the hidden emotion task, passed at roughly six years of age.

This again shows that consciousness is not a binary measure.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The Epistemic Regress Problem - Epistemology

"But why?". In this Wireless Philosophy video, Kevin McCain (University of Alabama at Birmingham) explains the Epistemic Regress Problem. The epistemic regress problem arises from the need to give a reason for your belief, a reason for that reason, and so on. After explaining the problem, he explains how the problem has been used to argue in favor of skepticism, and discusses three possible solutions to the problem.

I'm in favor of foundationalism, where the reason stops at the most fundamental truth a conscious being can ever have, which is its own existence, as per cogito ergo sum.

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If someone needs a heart surgery, or chemotherapy to stay alive, should they take it?

Thanks for the videos I found them very interesting. The question of should someone have therapy to stay alive is a responsibility and decision of the individual if one has a need or desire to live then have the therapy or if one feels that their time has come they can let go. What is truly natural is the inner self and we all differ. Variations are the complexities of life and the inner self is as complex as all the universe so there is no easy answer to this complicated question other than personal choice. Universal utopia suggests that there is a perfect solution for contentment and in my mind I can only see this in death and we will all find out in the end which may well be the true beginning of utopia.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What is truly natural is the inner self and we all differ.

We can't be sure about that. Someone else might be tinkering with our mind. It can be done through persuasions, indoctrination, chemicals injection, or some more modern electromagnetic devices such as Neuralink or some non-invasive alternatives. Some forms of mind reading are already available. It's expected that mind writing will also be available in not so distant future.
Many suicide bombers are known and documented to do their actions wilfully.
Some serial killers and even cannibals occurred naturally. It's  not a reason to say that they are acceptable.

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We can't be sure about that. Someone else might be tinkering with our mind. It can be done through persuasions, indoctrination, chemicals injection, or some more modern electromagnetic devices such as Neuralink or some non-invasive alternatives.

That would be bad luck if that happened to someone but there is no much that can be done about that some people have a disposition that makes them more susceptible to influence by others.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

That would be bad luck if that happened to someone but there is no much that can be done about that some people have a disposition that makes them more susceptible to influence by others.

What do you think about persuasion to stop smoking or drinking alcohol?
If we can change someone's will to be a suicide bomber, should we do it? Or should we just kill them?

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If we can change someone's will to be a suicide bomber, should we do it? Or should we just kill them?

How can we identify a person that has this intention in order to change their will?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

If we can change someone's will to be a suicide bomber, should we do it? Or should we just kill them?

How can we identify a person that has this intention in order to change their will?

Currently, their social media contents, their diaries, personal communication devices, or results of intelligence activities.
In the future, mind reading.

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Currently, their social media contents, their diaries, personal communication devices, or results of intelligence activities.
In the future, mind reading.

If all or even some of the things can stop bad events then that will be a good thing and if this makes a utopia on earth I'm all for it.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

If all or even some of the things can stop bad events then that will be a good thing and if this makes a utopia on earth I'm all for it.

How do you determine if something is good or bad?
Their naturalness don't seem to fit the job since natural things can either be good or bad.

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How do you determine if something is good or bad?

Like you said before we must cheek their diaries phones hidden bugs and best of all the mind reading technique.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

How do you determine if something is good or bad?

Like you said before we must cheek their diaries phones hidden bugs and best of all the mind reading technique.

I meant about more general cases. I assume that we agree that suicide bombers are generally bad. How about other things, like theft, charity, lying, honesty, rebellion, war, killing, obedience, faith, etc? When do you say that they are good or bad? Are there any exceptions to general cases? What's the justification for the exceptions?

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I meant about more general cases. I assume that we agree that suicide bombers are generally bad. How about other things, like theft, charity, lying, honesty, rebellion, war, killing, obedience, faith, etc? When do you say that they are good or bad? Are there any exceptions to general cases? What's the justification for the exceptions?

I don't think it is possible to rid society of all bad intentions especially the minor ones. Utopia is a place of perfection and that will only be available to those that are already a part of the eternal family a time yet to come. I think many people place themselves in danger by the lifestyle that they live a safe course of being is one that is not a leader and not a follower. When we see a demonstration in the streets and all chaos breaks out what we are seeing is a congregation of people that are largely made up of psychopathic minds that feed of each other they use a demonstration or a rally to act out their intentions. I personally avoid race tracks air shows large sporting events demonstrations places that are dangerous. we can not avoid all tragedy in our lives but we can improve our own chances as all of our thoughts and interactions are our responsibility.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I don't think it is possible to rid society of all bad intentions especially the minor ones.

It means that we must make priority of things.
What's your reference or standard to determine that something is better than the others?

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It means that we must make priority of things.
What's your reference or standard to determine that something is better than the others?

This is the problem as everyone has their own interpretation and that leads to disagreement utopia is made to measure and will only suit the ones that it fits. The world tries to accommodate the individual utopia is pacific and therefore discriminating and will only accept the willing and wanting to fit occupants. Utopia is for the meek and mild a place of trust no need for police or army. So my conclusion is there will never be a utopia on earth at this time it is a place in the future we all make our own beds the question for all to ask is utopia made for you.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

It means that we must make priority of things.
What's your reference or standard to determine that something is better than the others?

This is the problem as everyone has their own interpretation and that leads to disagreement utopia is made to measure and will only suit the ones that it fits. The world tries to accommodate the individual utopia is pacific and therefore discriminating and will only accept the willing and wanting to fit occupants. Utopia is for the meek and mild a place of trust no need for police or army. So my conclusion is there will never be a utopia on earth at this time it is a place in the future we all make our own beds the question for all to ask is utopia made for you.

Here is the description of utopia

A utopia is an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or nearly perfect qualities for its citizens. The term was coined by Sir Thomas More for his 1516 book Utopia, describing a fictional island society in the south Atlantic Ocean off the coast of South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia

In any society that still exist, they must have prioritized their existence above any other things that they have encountered. Otherwise, that other thing that they thought to have higher priority than their own existence must have made them go extinct. Some individuals may survive when their society collapses, but they are not its members anymore.

If a society has no defense against invading outsiders or cancerous members or freeloaders, they won't survive for long.

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If a society has no defense against invading outsiders or cancerous members or freeloaders, they won't survive for long.

I would have thought that universal utopia meant all so no invaders as all are in utopia universal.