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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #220 on: 05/03/2021 22:32:01 »
This article tells us what we know about consciousness.

http://m.nautil.us/issue/98/mind/consciousness-is-just-a-feeling

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You write about a seminal moment in your childhood when your older brother suffered a serious brain injury. Can you describe what happened?

I was 4 and he was 6. My parents were yachting and I was down at the water’s edge, but he, with some friends, clambered onto the roof of the clubhouse. Then he tripped and fell three stories onto the pavement below and fractured his skull. He lost consciousness on impact and sustained an intracerebral hemorrhage. We were living in a small village, so he had to be flown to a hospital in Cape Town, and he was very lucky to survive the accident. What was so disturbing and really difficult to comprehend for me was the fact that he looked the same, but was utterly changed. He lost his developmental milestones. For example, he became incontinent and his personality was very changed. He was much more emotional, irascible and difficult, but also intellectually, he was changed.

You say this had a profound impact on you.

It did. We underestimate little children. You start thinking, How can it be that the brain is this thing in his head that’s been damaged and now he looks the same but isn’t the same? Where is he? How can this person, my brother, be an organ? I quickly extrapolated that to my own case and thought, “Hmmm, am I my brain and how can that be? If my brain were to be damaged, would I be a different person? Where would the original version of me go?” And it was a tragedy for my parents. They felt terribly guilty.

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« Reply #221 on: 05/03/2021 22:35:24 »
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The major point of contention is whether consciousness can be reduced to the laws of physics or biology. The philosopher David Chalmers has speculated that consciousness is a fundamental property of nature that’s not reducible to any laws of nature.

I accept that, except for the word “fundamental.” I argue that consciousness is a property of nature, but it’s not a fundamental property. It’s quite easy to argue that there was a big bang very long ago and long after that, there was an emergence of life. If Chalmers’ view is that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe, it must have preceded even the emergence of life. I know there are people who believe that. But as a scientist, when you look at the weight of the evidence, it’s just so much less plausible that there was already some sort of elementary form of consciousness even at the moment of the Big Bang. That’s basically the same as the idea of God. It’s not really grappling with the problem.
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« Reply #222 on: 05/03/2021 22:37:31 »
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Where are those feelings rooted in the brain?

Feeling arises in a very ancient part of the brain, in the upper brainstem in structures we share with all vertebrates. This part of the brain is over 500 million years old. The very telling fact is that damage to those structures—tiny lesions as small as the size of a match head in parts of the reticular activating system—obliterates all consciousness. That fact alone demonstrates that more complex cognitive consciousness is dependent upon the basic affective form of consciousness that’s generated in the upper brainstem.

So we place too much emphasis on the cortex, which we celebrate because it’s what makes humans smart.

Exactly. Our evolutionary pride and joy is the huge cortical expanse that only mammals have, and we humans have even more of it. That was the biggest mistake we’ve made in the history of the neuroscience of consciousness. The evidence for the cortex being the seat of consciousness is really weak. If you de-corticate a neonatal mammal—say, a rat or a mouse—it doesn’t lose consciousness. Not only does it wake up in the morning and go to sleep at night, it runs and hangs from bars, swims, eats, copulates, plays, raises its pups to maturity. All of this emotional behavior remains without any cortex.

And the same applies to human beings. Children born with no cortex, a condition called hydranencephaly—not to be confused with hydrocephaly—are exactly the same as what I’ve just described in these experimental animals. They wake up in the morning, go to sleep at night, smile when they’re happy and fuss when they’re frustrated. Of course, you can’t speak to them, because they’ve got no cortex. They can’t tell you that they’re conscious, but they show consciousness and feeling in just the same way as our pets do.
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« Reply #223 on: 05/03/2021 22:45:44 »
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You say we really have two brains—the brainstem and the cortex.

Yes, but the cortex is incapable of generating consciousness by itself. The cortex borrows, as it were, its consciousness from the brainstem. Moreover, consciousness is not intrinsic to what the cortex does. The cortex can perform high level, uniquely human cognitive operations as reading with comprehension, without consciousness being necessary at all. So why does it ever become conscious? The answer is that we have to feel our way into cognition because this is where the values come from. Is this going well or badly? All choices, any decision-making, has to be grounded in a value system where one thing is better than another thing.
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« Reply #224 on: 05/03/2021 23:06:34 »
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The only point of learning from past events is to better predict future events. That’s the whole point of memory. It’s not just a library where we file away everything that’s happened to us. And the reason why we need to keep a record of what’s happened in the past is so that we can use it as a basis for predicting the future. And yes, the hippocampus is every bit as much for imagining the future as remembering the past. You might say it’s remembering the future.
The point I took is that intelligence is a tool to help preserve consciousness. A powerful and universal tool. Building a superintelligent system would be a universal goal of any naturally occurring conscious beings, whenever they've passed some threshold level of consciousness.
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« Reply #225 on: 10/03/2021 06:45:15 »
The Future of Medicine from Cambridge University's Youtube channel.


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Nanobots that patrol our bodies, killer immune cells hunting and destroying cancer cells, biological scissors that cut out defective genes: these are just some of the technologies that Cambridge University researchers are developing and which are set to revolutionise medicine in the future. To tie-in with the recent launch of the Cambridge Academy of Therapeutic Sciences, researchers discuss some of the most exciting developments in medical research and set out their vision for the next 50 years.

Any conscious being capable of identifying a problem will try to overcome it. If the process is successfully repeated, sooner or later they will converge into achieving the universal utopia.
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« Reply #226 on: 10/03/2021 06:55:20 »
How to Protect Our Future (When AI Gets Too Smart)
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As technology continues to rapidly advance, the future of AI looks promising, but it doesn’t come without risks. How we choose to govern artificial intelligence could play an integral role in protecting the human race.

Experts believe the real risk of AI is its usage to threaten the legitimacy of political, financial, and social institutions. In the wrong hands, AI could be used to leverage one’s position and gain unchecked access to information, wealth, and power.

Determining how to effectively create and apply regulations for AI governance is paramount to ensuring that the technology is appropriately leveraged to benefit society.
"AI in the wrong hand" is a figurative term to express a worry that AI will be used to achieve a wrong goal, which is conflicting with the universal terminal goal, or at least leading to inefficient route in achieving the universal terminal goal.
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« Reply #227 on: 14/03/2021 10:09:07 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/03/2021 22:37:31
Children born with no cortex, a condition called hydranencephaly—not to be confused with hydrocephaly—are exactly the same as what I’ve just described in these experimental animals. They wake up in the morning, go to sleep at night, smile when they’re happy and fuss when they’re frustrated. Of course, you can’t speak to them, because they’ve got no cortex. They can’t tell you that they’re conscious, but they show consciousness and feeling in just the same way as our pets do.
Let's make a thought experiment. A children with hydranencephaly is given an advanced artificial neural network to replace the functionality of his cortex. It gives him a superhuman ability in cognitive functions. He could easily beat human champions in games like chess and go, also in math competitions. Should he be allowed to participate in those competitions? Can he compete for job applications?
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« Reply #228 on: 16/03/2021 02:53:48 »
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Philosophers have been making the controversial claim that free will is an illusion for hundreds of years, but is there proof? Are their conclusions well founded?

The idea that humans might not have complete autonomy over their lives brings into question what extent we do have control over. If free will is an illusion, and our control is actually limited, then things like criminal law and social status may be drawn into question.

To advance our collective understanding of free will, Dr. Uri Maoz is leading a collaborative research project that’s bringing together neuroscientists and philosophers from around the world. Here’s his take on the age-old debate.
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« Reply #229 on: 17/03/2021 11:13:37 »
Rocket Science Explained By Elon Musk
A good video for inspiration. Apparently, his ultimate goal as mentioned below is an instrumental goal to help achieving the universal terminal goal.
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Rocket Science Explained By Elon Musk who founded Space Exploration Technologies, or SpaceX. His goal was to make rockets for space travel more affordable, with the ultimate goal of creating a colony on Mars.
“What Elon did was very different. He didn’t just throw some play money in. He put in his heart, his soul and his mind.”
Chapters:
0:00​ Intro
0:15​ Orbital dynamics in rocket science
 4:25​ Rocket stage separation
4:43​ Why rocket stages need to land in ocean on a drone ship
6:43​ Rocket control in vacuum (Nitrogen Jets)
7:30​ Rocket control in air (Grid Fins)
9:01​ Why reusability of rockets is important
Thanks for the inspiration to  @SpaceX   , @NASA    and for music thanks to  @newarta   and  @Happy Soul Music Library ​


10:18 Would you try to save a $30Million palette of cash falling through the atmosphere, which is gonna burn up and smashing into tiny pieces?
I think we can all agree that efficiency is a universal instrumental goal.
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« Reply #230 on: 17/03/2021 13:44:05 »
CRISPR and "The Code Breaker"
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If we can improve our current condition, should we?
Should we prevent any change to our current condition?
Is there a fundamental limit to the change we can make to ourselves?
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« Reply #231 on: 18/03/2021 13:33:54 »
https://twitter.com/svpino/status/1372286114669551616?s=19

tools and frameworks continue to evolve. What makes you money today will be automated in some form. You must keep moving.
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« Reply #232 on: 20/03/2021 07:51:37 »
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https://twitter.com/svpino/status/1372286114669551616?s=19

tools and frameworks continue to evolve. What makes you money today will be automated in some form. You must keep moving.
It reminds us that getting a job is just an instrumental goal to help achieving a longer term goal, i.e. earning money. In turn, it's just an instrumental goal too, which is to pay for daily needs to survive, such as buying food, clothing, housing, entertainment, etc. In turn, they are just instrumental goal to achieve a yet longer term goal, which is our individual survival or self perseverance.
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« Reply #233 on: 20/03/2021 14:52:23 »
If our individual self perseverance is our terminal goal, then our death means our failure to achieve it. No matter what we had achieved previously, they would be insignificant and non-essential.
On the other hand, if what we do in our lives are dedicated to help achieving the terminal goal of a larger system than an individual organism, they can be still meaningful as long as the system exists.
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« Reply #234 on: 21/03/2021 00:24:56 »
The larger systems people have notably chosen are their families, clans, tribes, nations, races, species, cults, denominations, religions, ideologies.
To be fair, for the sake of the argument, and for brainstorming, it is logically possible to set the preservation of smaller systems as the terminal goal, such as some specific organs, tissues, cells, genes. Hence, someone's death isn't necessarily means their failure, nor the end of their terminal goal, as long as the body parts whose preservation is set as the terminal goal still exists.
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« Reply #235 on: 21/03/2021 02:50:01 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/03/2021 00:24:56
To be fair, for the sake of the argument, and for brainstorming, it is logically possible to set the preservation of smaller systems as the terminal goal, such as some specific organs, tissues, cells, genes. Hence, someone's death isn't necessarily means their failure, nor the end of their terminal goal, as long as the body parts whose preservation is set as the terminal goal still exists.
For most people, this kind of goals may seem absurd. Imagine someone who thinks that his terminal goal is to preserve his skull, or his specific DNA. But they may also view other people's terminal goals as equally absurd for those who don't share them.
For an exercise, what do you think about someone who think that their terminal goal is to preserve their family?
What about their clan? their tribe? race? species? genus? class? phylum? village? country? planet? tradition? culture? religion? ideology?
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« Reply #236 on: 21/03/2021 06:28:29 »
It's possible for someone to believe that he has no terminal goal. His actions are driven by his current desires and feelings, such as pain and pleasure. Other people would say that his actual terminal goal is to follow his own desires, feelings, or instinct.
It would be hard for him to convince other people to commit to some coordinated actions, even when they share their believes that there is no such thing as a terminal goal. Their commitment to achieve common goals are limited to their shared temporary desires, which would be less effective compared to coordinated actions which are done with all out commitment.
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« Reply #237 on: 21/03/2021 07:05:35 »
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It would be hard for him to convince other people to commit to some coordinated actions, even when they share their believes that there is no such thing as a terminal goal. Their commitment to achieve common goals are limited to their shared temporary desires, which would be less effective compared to coordinated actions which are done with all out commitment.
Imagine someone who has strong belief that there is no terminal goal, and makes commitment that he will do everything it takes to convince all other people that it's the case. It would appear that his terminal goal is to convince other people that there is no terminal goal. This position is self defeating and would be hard to follow.
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« Reply #238 on: 21/03/2021 07:36:55 »
https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/orthogonality-thesis

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The Orthogonality Thesis states that an artificial intelligence can have any combination of intelligence level and goal, that is, its Utility Functions(94) and General Intelligence(52) can vary independently of each other. This is in contrast to the belief that, because of their intelligence, AIs will all converge to a common goal. The thesis was originally defined by Nick Bostrom in the paper "Superintelligent Will", (along with the instrumental convergence thesis). For his purposes, Bostrom defines intelligence to be instrumental rationality.
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Defense of the thesis
It has been pointed out that the orthogonality thesis is the default position, and that the burden of proof is on claims that limit possible AIs. Stuart Armstrong writes that,

One reason many researchers assume superintelligences to converge to the same goals may be because most humans have similar values. Furthermore, many philosophies hold that there is a rationally correct morality, which implies that a sufficiently rational AI will acquire this morality and begin to act according to it. Armstrong points out that for formalizations of AI such as AIXI and Gödel machines, the thesis is known to be true. Furthermore, if the thesis was false, then Oracle AIs would be impossible to build, and all sufficiently intelligent AIs would be impossible to control.

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There are some pairings of intelligence and goals which cannot exist. For instance, an AI may have the goal of using as little resources as possible, or simply of being as unintelligent as possible. These goals will inherently limit the degree of intelligence of the AI.
A commonly cited thought experiment to describe orthogonality thesis is a superintelligent machine whose terminal goal is to produce paper clips as many as possible. It's supposed to show that intelligence and terminal goal can be independent to each other.
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« Reply #239 on: 21/03/2021 13:02:17 »
Someone else had tried to disprove the orthogonality thesis.
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From this imperfect analogy, one can start to see some holes in the orthogonality thesis, or OT (it’s a mouthful). Just as rules in sports like basketball will determine how an athlete trains to achieve peak performance, the moral framework (or lack thereof) to which an AGI (artificial general intelligence) applies its intelligence will determine how that AGI develops its abilities to best meet its goals. However, as Peter Voss mentions, there are a “large range of common (sub-) goals required by AGI.” These sub-goals mirror aspects of athleticism useful to many sports’ rule frameworks — vertical jump for examples is pivotal in all three of Wilt’s ventures. From this analogy it seems that intelligence does not fit the orthogonality thesis in two ways:
An AGI will develop intelligence according to the long-term rules (whether explicit or implicit) of its morality. Humans will initially create the intelligence, but at a tipping point AGI will take control of its own development.
An AGI will develop certain capabilities independent of those morality rules. Developing these capabilities and not others precludes certain combinations of an AGI’s intelligence. To see how, let’s take a look at AGI value alignment.

Athletic abilities like Wilt’s changed the rule of the game, where developments within AGI will likely necessitate changes to AI value alignment. As Peter Voss mentions, “orthogonality is undermined by the fact that AGIs will inherently help to narrow down worthwhile goals.” To ultimately improve the survivability of the game of basketball, the league commissioner changed rules based upon certain individuals’ athleticism. As AI grows more intelligent, we — as programmers of AI, or morality commissioners — will need to improve the value alignment of that AI.
https://medium.com/@shawzm1/wilt-chamberlain-disapproves-of-the-orthogonality-thesis-b18091a361c2
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