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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #960 on: 26/08/2023 06:55:38 »
Where is Anatomy Encoded in Living Systems? | Michael Levin
There's great statement at 4:50 by William James
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Intelligence is the ability to reach the same goal by different means.
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« Reply #961 on: 30/08/2023 14:53:59 »
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I've uploaded a new video about the most universal goal logically conceivable. It describes goal in the most general sense, which should precede the first video about the universal terminal goal.
A method to arrive to the universal terminal goal.
Start with an arbitrary goal.
Identify all of its requirements.
Remove any requirements which can be removed without making the goal stops being a goal.
Whatever remains is the one we are looking for.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #962 on: 30/08/2023 15:24:00 »
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OK, I can remove all of them, and the goal is still to make a paper airplane.
By removing paper requirement, you can make airplane, although not made of paper.
By removing fly-ability requirement, you can make a plane, although not airplane.
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« Reply #963 on: 01/09/2023 16:49:57 »
Is hyper-long-termism possible?
It means over-dedication in pursuing a long-term goal while neglecting shorter term goals. Here's an illustration.

We need to set aside some of our crops as seeds for the next season. The more seeds planted means more crops in the next season, but less food to consume from now until then. If all of the crops are planted as seeds, we may not survive to enjoy the next season crops.

 Some may say that the illustration describes confusion between terminal goal and instrumental goal. Others may say that it's misplaced priority. Others may say that next crops season is not long enough to be a long term goal.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #964 on: 01/09/2023 22:13:17 »
Lousy example. A good seed will produce n = several times its own mass of edible crop: a ratio of around 50:1 for wheat and rice, hundreds or thousands for legumes and seed-grown vegetables, and 50-year crops of up to half a ton from a single apple seed.. The trick, then, is always to save 1/n each year. Farmers aren't as ignorant as philosophers or economists.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #965 on: 02/09/2023 10:10:15 »
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Lousy example. A good seed will produce n = several times its own mass of edible crop: a ratio of around 50:1 for wheat and rice, hundreds or thousands for legumes and seed-grown vegetables, and 50-year crops of up to half a ton from a single apple seed.. The trick, then, is always to save 1/n each year. Farmers aren't as ignorant as philosophers or economists.
Early farmers might have tried different ratios. The optimum value might depend on various factors, such as weather, vermin, locust, availability of labor, land, water, sun light, fertilizer, herbicides, insecticides, etc. They then came up with rules of thumb. They should know that extreme values like 0 and 100% of their crops being planted as seeds didn't serve their best interest.
My point here, in case you missed, is that we need to take a holistic approach to solve the problem of goals alignment.
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« Reply #966 on: 07/09/2023 23:05:05 »
A lot of philosophical questions  couldn't be answered because philosophers didn't understand biology nor systems engineering. But it's about time to change.

The science of the ?self? ? explained by a biologist | Michael Levin
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How do ?you? emerge from a collection of cells? A biologist explains.

The concept of the ?self? has long been considered philosophically significant: a foundation for exploring who we are and why we?re here. But where does the self begin?

Developmental biologist Michael Levin explores this question, explaining how the ?self? is constantly being constructed and created, starting in the early moments of embryogenesis.

Levin argues against binary categorizations of selfhood, emphasizing that it is a continuous phenomenon with no sharp lines between different stages of development. Using the example of self-organizing cells in the formation of the embryo, Levin also asserts that the self is not a singular entity ? rather, it is a collection of structures working together toward a specific goal.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #967 on: 07/09/2023 23:48:02 »
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A lot of philosophical questions  couldn't be answered because philosophers didn't understand biology nor systems engineering.
Or even simple English, in many cases. Understanding isn't important in philosophy - it's all about arrogance, which is usually paired with ignorance: Dunning-Kruger syndrome is rife among parasites of all sorts.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #968 on: 08/09/2023 12:40:09 »
Not just philosophers, job replacements are closer than most of us are thinking.

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AI Layoffs are Coming: Gizmodo Fires Editors
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The news is filled with stories of layoffs and job losses, sparking concerns that artificial intelligence and automation will displace large segments of the workforce. Recent headlines such as technology news site Gizmodo implementing AI to translate articles highlight the growing prevalence of automation. While innovations can provide efficiency gains, the transition also creates significant workforce challenges that demand thoughtful policy responses.

Technological advancements like AI and automation are contributing to the phenomenon of job dislocation, where certain roles and skillsets are no longer required. Businesses are compelled to seek efficiency improvements and cost reductions in the face of competitive pressures, leading to measures like outsourcing and integrating more technology. This can start a race to the bottom, where companies become fixated on lowering costs even at the expense of quality, employee treatment and ethics. Profit margins are thinning in many sectors as a result of extreme price competition.

Such dynamics have led to the erosion of middle class jobs in many developed countries. Rising inequality, competitive market forces, offshoring and other economic shifts have squeezed traditional middle-income households. Well-paying jobs that previously provided stability have dwindled, while expenses continue climbing. This represents an economic compaction, where the middle class shrinks as opportunities diminish.

However, the news isn't entirely negative. Experts point out that previous technological advances have led to new employment possibilities and even whole new industries. For example, the efficiencies created by computers enabled resources to be directed to new sectors like software development and information technology services. New technologies spur demand for related roles that didn't previously exist. The key factors are whether employment gains in new areas can offset losses, and if displaced workers can transition to emerging opportunities. Too rapid of advances without sufficient buffers can result in high structural unemployment. Policymakers face the challenge of establishing an optimal pace that maximizes the benefits of innovation while mitigating labor force disruption.

Government has an important role to play in mediating the evolving relationship between business and labor in light of technological change. This "social contract" framework aims to balance the interests of corporations and workers through oversight and regulation. However, labor's bargaining power has diminished compared to the past due to factors like automation. Workers have less leverage in an environment where machines and AI can readily replace human roles. Updating policies and social supports to keep pace with technological shifts remains a central policy dilemma. The viability of the traditional social contract remains uncertain in the face of rapid digital transformation.

Workers are rightfully anxious about the potential for AI and automation to significantly alter employment landscapes. However policymakers caution that predictions of massive job losses are often overstated or lack nuance. The concern cannot be dismissed though, especially for roles with highly automatable tasks. While technology will eliminate some opportunities, it will also create new ones. But that necessitates focus on smoothing the transition process and supporting displaced workers. This requires updated education and training programs, portable benefits delinked from specific employers, and new collaborations between government, business and academia.

Rather than a tech-driven dystopia, we could enter a period of great productivity, innovation and job creation empowered by technology. But this requires foresight and proactive policies to shape an equitable transition. Workers must be equipped with the right skills and have access to emerging opportunities. Economic gains should be broadly shared, not accrue disproportionately to the owners of technology capital. This renegotiation of the social contract for the 21st century will determine if society overall benefits from the automation wave. The choice resides with citizens and who they elect to establish policies that distribute the dividends of technology for the greater good.
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Why AI will destroy all jobs
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In this video, we explore why machines must replace human labor in various industries. We start by looking back at the Second Industrial Revolution when machines replaced oxen for key tasks. Machines proved to be better, faster, cheaper, and safer than relying on animal labor. They didn't need rest, they completed tasks in less time, they were more cost-effective to maintain, and they offered more predictable and controlled operations.

BETTER: We then delve into the advancements of advanced AI and how it surpasses human capabilities. OpenAI's Whisper, for example, can transcribe speech with greater accuracy and speed than humans. It can handle multiple languages simultaneously and is available around the clock. This makes it a more cost-effective solution compared to human transcription services.

FASTER: Next, we explore Claude, developed by Anthropic, which can rapidly process data and generate content. Claude can read vast volumes of textual information in seconds, synthesize material from diverse domains, and create comprehensive articles quickly. This allows businesses to dramatically accelerate content production and reach a wider audience.

CHEAPER: We also discuss the financial advantages of using AI. ChatGPT with a Code Interpreter for biostatistics, for instance, offers a significant cost reduction compared to employing a full-time biostatistician. Businesses can save on salary and benefits and allocate resources to other high-impact areas, fostering innovation and growth.

SAFER: Furthermore, we highlight the safety benefits of machines replacing human labor. Self-driving cars like Waymo have a lower accident rate compared to human-driven vehicles. This not only enhances road safety but also has the potential to save lives and prevent accidents in the future.

Finally, we address the misconception of keeping a 'human in the loop' when machines outperform humans. This approach becomes ineffective, potentially unethical, and counterproductive. It introduces inefficiencies, increases costs, compromises safety measures, and puts businesses at a competitive disadvantage.

In conclusion, machines must replace human labor because they are better, faster, cheaper, and safer. Advanced AI technologies offer superior performance in various tasks, leading to increased efficiency, cost-effectiveness, and safety. Embracing these advancements is crucial for businesses to stay competitive and thrive in the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Why Many of China?s College Grads Are Becoming ?Full-Time Children?
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A record number of Chinese college students will graduate this summer, but landing their dream job may be a long shot as there aren?t enough high-skill, high-wage occupations. More than one in five young people are out of work with many in China becoming ?full-time children,? spending all their time at home doing chores for their parents.

WSJ takes a look at why China?s youth unemployment continues to hit record highs.

0:00 ?Full-time children?
0:46 China?s youth
2:43 Job expectations
3:22 Repercussions

We need to realize that having jobs are instrumental goals to earn money, which are themselves instrumental goals to buy things/pay for services, which are themselves instrumental goals to survive sustainably.
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« Reply #970 on: 09/09/2023 00:16:51 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 30/08/2023 14:53:59
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/04/2023 07:59:47
I've uploaded a new video about the most universal goal logically conceivable. It describes goal in the most general sense, which should precede the first video about the universal terminal goal.
A method to arrive to the universal terminal goal.
Start with an arbitrary goal.
Identify all of its requirements.
Remove any requirements which can be removed without making the goal stops being a goal.
Whatever remains is the one we are looking for.


If we keep going all the way down, we're left with the bare minimum requirements for a goal, which I defined as pursued condition. It requires the existence of at least one entity with capacity to pursue it, which I called conscious entitiy.

The existence of goal also requires the existence of the universe and time. But their existence aren't affected by any action of conscious entities, which makes it irrelevant to the search for a universal goal.
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« Reply #971 on: 09/09/2023 13:00:58 »
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We need to realize that having jobs are instrumental goals to earn money, which are themselves instrumental goals to buy things/pay for services, which are themselves instrumental goals to survive sustainably.

BOMBSHELL: Mustafa Suleyman "AI will reshuffle society"

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In a recent Time Magazine article, AI pioneer Mustafa Suleyman argues that AI will profoundly disrupt established power structures across society. He sees AI as an empowering, democratizing force that will reshape the world by making advanced technologies accessible to all.

Suleyman notes that those in positions of power - reliant on existing capital, expertise and authority structures - have the most to lose from this AI revolution. Many elites suffer from "pessimism aversion," ignoring the radical implications of advancing technology. However, AI is poised to rapidly and affordably become more powerful, transforming ownership models, information access, and societal decision-making.

New ownership models will emerge as traditional profit motives become unsustainable. Margins in some sectors will shrink due to technological advances, necessitating government subsidies or collective, decentralized ownership models enabled by blockchain. The decreased need for human labor through automation will also shift ownership dynamics. Laws and regulations will need to adapt to these new models.

AI will help democratize information by optimizing education, news consumption, knowledge sharing and access interfaces. This will level the playing field by making high-quality information available to everyone. However, realizing this ideal requires overcoming resistance from those wishing to maintain control over access.

Societal decision-making can be reshaped using AI tools for accountability, transparency and optimized resource allocation. AI can provide checks and balances by quickly analyzing laws, representing voter interests, auditing reports and optimizing distribution based on real-time data rather than biases.

Automating production through AI will necessitate a new social contract between businesses, citizens and government. As human labor declines, traditional labor power structures will be disrupted. Policymaking must adapt to this post-labor economy rather than resist the inevitable change.

In summary, AI has immense democratizing potential if implemented ethically. But existing power structures will resist losing their influence over ownership, information and decision-making. Managing this transition wisely by empowering people through technology, not replacing them, is key to an equitable AI revolution. Those in power must prepare for disruption rather than ignoring its radical implications. The alternative is increased inequality and instability across society.
https://time.com/6310115/ai-revolution-reshape-the-world/

In this video, a Universal Basic Services is proposed, instead of Universal Basic Income.
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« Reply #972 on: 09/09/2023 15:32:01 »
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Most bacteria die when exposed to UV light.
UVC, certainly. Also lethal to humans, whose outer biofilm is also dead.
Fortunately, humans, like many other animals, can go to places safer from UV exposure. Thanks to the locomotion provided by some of their cells. This shows an advantage of being multicellular.
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« Reply #973 on: 09/09/2023 17:27:50 »
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In this video, a Universal Basic Services is proposed, instead of Universal Basic Income.
Communism and the Command Economy were invented 100 years ago, on paper, in London. They don't work very well in the long term.
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« Reply #974 on: 12/09/2023 21:39:13 »
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Communism and the Command Economy were invented 100 years ago, on paper, in London. They don't work very well in the long term.
A lot of lives had died in those massive experiments. We should learn something from them, and not let them died in vain. We need to identify their mistakes, and make sure they won't be repeated.
Authoritarianism makes it harder for error corrections. Not only in communism, but also in religious, monarchist, tribal, and ultranationalist societies.

Here is an example.
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« Reply #975 on: 14/09/2023 15:49:41 »
I asked Google Bard about abundance mentality.
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The antonym of abundance mentality is scarcity mentality.

Abundance mentality is the belief that there are enough resources to go around and that everyone can succeed. People with an abundance mentality are optimistic and believe that they can achieve their goals.
Scarcity mentality is the belief that there are not enough resources to go around and that people need to compete with each other to get what they want. People with a scarcity mentality are often pessimistic and believe that they will never be able to achieve their goals.
Here are some other words and phrases that can be used to describe scarcity mentality:

Competitive
Demanding
Fearful
Limited
Needy
Pessimistic
Resentful
Selfish
Superficial
Taker
People with a scarcity mentality may often experience the following:

Jealousy of others' success
Fear of failure
Difficulty sharing resources with others
A focus on short-term gains
A lack of creativity
A sense of entitlement
People with an abundance mentality, on the other hand, may often experience the following:

Optimism
Gratitude
A focus on long-term goals
A willingness to share resources with others
A sense of abundance
A sense of community
It is important to note that everyone has both scarcity and abundance mentality tendencies. However, it is possible to shift towards a more abundance-oriented mindset by focusing on our beliefs and thoughts.


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« Reply #976 on: 15/09/2023 17:19:43 »
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Authoritarianism makes it harder for error corrections.
You have put your finger on it exactly. It's interesting to note that the happiest countries seem to be constitutional monarchies which have adopted a generally socialist command infrastructure and a laissez-faire attitude to everything else.
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« Reply #977 on: 16/09/2023 01:55:52 »
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Authoritarianism makes it harder for error corrections.
You have put your finger on it exactly. It's interesting to note that the happiest countries seem to be constitutional monarchies which have adopted a generally socialist command infrastructure and a laissez-faire attitude to everything else.
In those cases, the monarchs are usually not authoritarian in terms of governance and policies.
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« Reply #978 on: 16/09/2023 10:47:19 »
That's the whole point of a hereditary constitutional monarch. Whatever their family history of murder and plunder,
they are substantial landowners and therefore have no need of bribes and corruption,
they have no political axe to grind apart from the survival of national boundaries (which is generally in everyone's benefit)
their succession is determined with no need for political wrangling or "stolen" elections
their primary job is to represent everyone
as nominal head of the armed forces, they are unlikely to be opposed or deposed by those who have sworn to defend them
but they don't have the authority to declare war, order the death of any citizen, or even impose taxes on anyone. 
They can. however, advise the elected government that a proposal is unlikely to find public favor.
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That's the whole point of a hereditary constitutional monarch. Whatever their family history of murder and plunder,
they are substantial landowners and therefore have no need of bribes and corruption,
they have no political axe to grind apart from the survival of national boundaries (which is generally in everyone's benefit)
their succession is determined with no need for political wrangling or "stolen" elections
their primary job is to represent everyone
as nominal head of the armed forces, they are unlikely to be opposed or deposed by those who have sworn to defend them
but they don't have the authority to declare war, order the death of any citizen, or even impose taxes on anyone. 
They can. however, advise the elected government that a proposal is unlikely to find public favor.
The monarch can have more than one heirs, and they can be equally ambitious to be the next leader.
They are unrestricted from following their biological impulses. They may end up ruining someone else's lives.
Their impunity can create dissatisfaction among the people and unrest.
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