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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/12/2023 11:47:32If you haven't found the common goal of selfish, altruist, and patriotic actions, let me help you. They all try to give benefits to future conscious entities. Selfishness is not directed to the future of anyone except the selfish person. Patriotism is all about venerating the past.
If you haven't found the common goal of selfish, altruist, and patriotic actions, let me help you. They all try to give benefits to future conscious entities.
And there is no common goal. Think football: everyone is trying to get the ball into a goal, but there are two very distinct goals.
Even a selfish person is a conscious entity, although their consciousness level is below average person.
They don't say that they will let people suffer from natural disasters and other natural problems.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2023 09:06:13Even a selfish person is a conscious entity, although their consciousness level is below average person. How did you measure that?
I planned to make a video about natural consciousness, and how functional components of consciousness can emerge from natural processes.
What is a system?1. A collection of nodes, linkages, and boundaries2. Node = person, place, or thing (can also be a concept) - some kind of entity3. Linkage = connection that transmits matter, energy, or information (signals) between two or more nodes 4. Boundaries = the sphere of influence of a system (rigid, flexible, fuzzy, or porous)
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/12/2023 17:12:13Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2023 09:06:13Even a selfish person is a conscious entity, although their consciousness level is below average person. How did you measure that? By the span of their influence, in both space and time.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/12/2023 04:01:27Quote from: alancalverd on 22/12/2023 17:12:13Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2023 09:06:13Even a selfish person is a conscious entity, although their consciousness level is below average person. How did you measure that? By the span of their influence, in both space and time. So the syphilis bacterium (the cause of the Anglican church) and the influenza virus (most lethal entity on the planet to date) are the most conscious entities known to Man.
Afaik, they have no influence beyond earth atmosphere.
Nor do humans.
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FYI, humans are planning to colonize the moon and terraform Mars.
I sincerely hope we don't infect other planets with our waste products.
They are interesting simply because they don't (as far as we know) have any trace of terrestrial life.
My point precisely. We can't live outside our own atmosphere, so to travel more than about 30,000 ft away from the earth's surface, we have to take an atmosphere with us.
Use them a lot. But we're just recycling the earth's atmosphere on a small scale. Without plants and water, animals would die. Without animals and bacteria, plants would die. The big system is driven by sunshine, the PLSS is driven by a battery.
Then they won't be human. Our most intelligent successors are likely to be cockroaches.
There is no terminal goal.