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Re: The N-field
« Reply #760 on: 27/03/2018 20:17:45 »
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A brain Tuna is not a  brain tumour is it now, the only mocking there is your own subjective interpretation and change of words.
Frivolous litigation is when I know the defences , defence, I know everything you can say on mass, I also know this is wrong and show why it is wrong, like most of the frivolous litigation incorrect science you teach. 

Mass is a result in kg on a set of scales,  What makes this result?    quite clearly the force between two objects.  No force no mass simple.
Making posts pretending to type in a way that somebody with a mental impairment caused by a tumour is mocking them, in the same way as Trump mocked the disabled.
In law frivolous litigation is the practice of starting or carrying on lawsuits that, due to their lack of legal merit, have little to no chance of being won. This is a science forum in case you didnt notice not a court of law.
Mass is shown on a set of scales. Nobody else in the world accepts your definition. It is rather like claiming a potato is the sky.
There is a likely situation where I might have autism and be a higher functioning autistic person.  I have brain dis-functions so If I want to take the mick out of myself I will.

Mass is shown on a set of scales, and you do not speak for the world, if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 
Mass is shown on a set of scales like you agree, so what gives the object its mass? 

I think objectively you will find the answer is force my friend.
You did not define mass, it was defined long before your sad existence and no matter how much you try to change the definition, you will always be wrong. Mass and equations using force are used in all sorts of applications in engineering etc and have been shown to work  - unlike you.
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #761 on: 27/03/2018 20:20:49 »
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if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 

There are a few scientists looking at this.
We are laughing at you.

Even if you think you are right about science (spoiler alert- you are not), surely you recognise that, by misusing phrases like "frivolous litigation", you prove that you ought to learn what they actually mean?
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #762 on: 27/03/2018 20:26:08 »
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'I do not need to learn anything, I already know your frivolous litigation'

You have demonstrated constantly that you do. Look, he has found a new phrase.
Incorrect, you have demonstrated constantly that you can not think beyond your subjective education.   You can not have a discussion about an idea, you do not know how to discuss an idea.   Saying a person is wrong just on the basis of posting present information , the information that I am showing is wrong, is not discussing my friend and not looking why it is wrong.



It is not a discussion about an idea though is it though? It you crowing about universally accepted definitions of basic physics being wrong because you are too lazy to actually learn anything.
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« Reply #763 on: 27/03/2018 20:32:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/03/2018 20:20:49
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:10:36
if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 

There are a few scientists looking at this.
We are laughing at you.

Even if you think you are right about science (spoiler alert- you are not), surely you recognise that, by misusing phrases like "frivolous litigation", you prove that you ought to learn what they actually mean?

You are making the mistake of looking at me and me being wrong, instead of looking why things might be wrong.  Do you never question what you learn?
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« Reply #764 on: 27/03/2018 20:34:31 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:26:08
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:14:14
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:08:58
'I do not need to learn anything, I already know your frivolous litigation'

You have demonstrated constantly that you do. Look, he has found a new phrase.
Incorrect, you have demonstrated constantly that you can not think beyond your subjective education.   You can not have a discussion about an idea, you do not know how to discuss an idea.   Saying a person is wrong just on the basis of posting present information , the information that I am showing is wrong, is not discussing my friend and not looking why it is wrong.



It is not a discussion about an idea though is it though? It you crowing about universally accepted definitions of basic physics being wrong because you are too lazy to actually learn anything.
What would you like to know about mass or force in your terms?

I have learnt my friend , except I question what I learn if it is not logically true .   You are preaching and not doing any science.
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« Reply #765 on: 27/03/2018 20:35:58 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:17:45
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:10:36
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:05:20
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 19:56:00
A brain Tuna is not a  brain tumour is it now, the only mocking there is your own subjective interpretation and change of words.
Frivolous litigation is when I know the defences , defence, I know everything you can say on mass, I also know this is wrong and show why it is wrong, like most of the frivolous litigation incorrect science you teach. 

Mass is a result in kg on a set of scales,  What makes this result?    quite clearly the force between two objects.  No force no mass simple.
Making posts pretending to type in a way that somebody with a mental impairment caused by a tumour is mocking them, in the same way as Trump mocked the disabled.
In law frivolous litigation is the practice of starting or carrying on lawsuits that, due to their lack of legal merit, have little to no chance of being won. This is a science forum in case you didnt notice not a court of law.
Mass is shown on a set of scales. Nobody else in the world accepts your definition. It is rather like claiming a potato is the sky.
There is a likely situation where I might have autism and be a higher functioning autistic person.  I have brain dis-functions so If I want to take the mick out of myself I will.

Mass is shown on a set of scales, and you do not speak for the world, if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 
Mass is shown on a set of scales like you agree, so what gives the object its mass? 

I think objectively you will find the answer is force my friend.
You did not define mass, it was defined long before your sad existence and no matter how much you try to change the definition, you will always be wrong. Mass and equations using force are used in all sorts of applications in engineering etc and have been shown to work  - unlike you.
You did not define mass either, it is not your mistake , it is histories mistake, you can't see it wrong because it is what you learnt and think is correct.
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #766 on: 27/03/2018 20:47:25 »
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:35:58
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:17:45
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:10:36
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:05:20
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 19:56:00
A brain Tuna is not a  brain tumour is it now, the only mocking there is your own subjective interpretation and change of words.
Frivolous litigation is when I know the defences , defence, I know everything you can say on mass, I also know this is wrong and show why it is wrong, like most of the frivolous litigation incorrect science you teach. 

Mass is a result in kg on a set of scales,  What makes this result?    quite clearly the force between two objects.  No force no mass simple.
Making posts pretending to type in a way that somebody with a mental impairment caused by a tumour is mocking them, in the same way as Trump mocked the disabled.
In law frivolous litigation is the practice of starting or carrying on lawsuits that, due to their lack of legal merit, have little to no chance of being won. This is a science forum in case you didnt notice not a court of law.
Mass is shown on a set of scales. Nobody else in the world accepts your definition. It is rather like claiming a potato is the sky.
There is a likely situation where I might have autism and be a higher functioning autistic person.  I have brain dis-functions so If I want to take the mick out of myself I will.

Mass is shown on a set of scales, and you do not speak for the world, if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 
Mass is shown on a set of scales like you agree, so what gives the object its mass? 

I think objectively you will find the answer is force my friend.
You did not define mass, it was defined long before your sad existence and no matter how much you try to change the definition, you will always be wrong. Mass and equations using force are used in all sorts of applications in engineering etc and have been shown to work  - unlike you.
You did not define mass either, it is not your mistake , it is histories mistake, you can't see it wrong because it is what you learnt and think is correct.
Dont be such a condescending idiot. Whilst I didnt define it, the definition is accepted universally. I dont see the point of your argument, other than acting like a rather foolish child trying to show how clever he is.

Interesting you are claiming to autism now. You seem to claim to have various disorders at different times to garner sympathy.
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #767 on: 27/03/2018 20:53:17 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:47:25
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:35:58
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:17:45
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 20:10:36
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:05:20
Quote from: Thebox on 27/03/2018 19:56:00
A brain Tuna is not a  brain tumour is it now, the only mocking there is your own subjective interpretation and change of words.
Frivolous litigation is when I know the defences , defence, I know everything you can say on mass, I also know this is wrong and show why it is wrong, like most of the frivolous litigation incorrect science you teach. 

Mass is a result in kg on a set of scales,  What makes this result?    quite clearly the force between two objects.  No force no mass simple.
Making posts pretending to type in a way that somebody with a mental impairment caused by a tumour is mocking them, in the same way as Trump mocked the disabled.
In law frivolous litigation is the practice of starting or carrying on lawsuits that, due to their lack of legal merit, have little to no chance of being won. This is a science forum in case you didnt notice not a court of law.
Mass is shown on a set of scales. Nobody else in the world accepts your definition. It is rather like claiming a potato is the sky.
There is a likely situation where I might have autism and be a higher functioning autistic person.  I have brain dis-functions so If I want to take the mick out of myself I will.

Mass is shown on a set of scales, and you do not speak for the world, if people were aware of me and my notions in full, science would become a laughing stock. 
Mass is shown on a set of scales like you agree, so what gives the object its mass? 

I think objectively you will find the answer is force my friend.
You did not define mass, it was defined long before your sad existence and no matter how much you try to change the definition, you will always be wrong. Mass and equations using force are used in all sorts of applications in engineering etc and have been shown to work  - unlike you.
You did not define mass either, it is not your mistake , it is histories mistake, you can't see it wrong because it is what you learnt and think is correct.
Dont be such a condescending idiot. Whilst I didnt define it, the definition is accepted universally. I dont see the point of your argument, other than acting like a rather foolish child trying to show how clever he is.

Interesting you are claiming to autism now. You seem to claim to have various disorders at different times to garner sympathy.
Everyone on forums as being telling me for years I am nuts, quite clearly I do not think the same way as the majority of people.   I had speech therapy as a child, my hand writing is awful and I verbally sound mumbled.   So after looking at various illness from tunas to insanity,   I finally came across higher functioning autism, this seems to fit me and is a likely self diagnosis.
So no I am not after any sympathy, I am computing my possible illness out loud.

You don't see the point of the argument because you can't see in your mind the argument the way I see it. I see it differently to you.
  p.s anxiety also , I have beta blockers.
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #768 on: 27/03/2018 21:08:59 »
Yeah, of course you do. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?

Self diagnosed then. Guessed as much.
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« Reply #769 on: 27/03/2018 21:17:20 »
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Yeah, of course you do. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?

Self diagnosed then. Guessed as much.
Self diagnosed to a point of what the internet says.  I do not know for sure, that would be illogical.   This could be true or I could just be really smart beyond every bodies ability. I also know that could be Dunning and Kruger affect, it seems a very Paradox question to answer. Cry wolf?  There is plenty of evidence of my different thinking and often in cognitive sentence structure.
I have to concentrate really hard to write cognitive sentences,  I have to edit often. 

Anyway , if you want to discuss mass v Newtons can we approach this with a blank canvass? 

This means forget what you think you know and be neither side of a fence.  Be the fence.


Mass is a measure of the force being imposed on the object on the scales .

Mass is a measure  True

 of the force being imposed  True

on the object on the scales True


If I were to hold the object on the scales with equal and opposite force, the scales would measure m=0kg





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Re: The N-field
« Reply #770 on: 27/03/2018 21:24:21 »
I'm out. I think the quote from George Carlin is most appropriate here:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
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« Reply #771 on: 27/03/2018 21:27:56 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 21:24:21
I'm out. I think the quote from George Carlin is most appropriate here:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
You are preaching your subjective belief sir, I am looking at objective facts, it is not my belief. You will always be wrong unless you are willing to learn.  Maybe you suffer from Dunning and Kruger and do not see me as your equal as I see you?



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« Reply #772 on: 27/03/2018 21:39:06 »
In essence you are saying  F=F*a
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #773 on: 29/03/2018 02:18:56 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:26:08
Incorrect, you have demonstrated constantly that you can not think beyond your subjective education. 
Nope.
My education-  subjective or otherwise- didn't train me to deal with idiots online.
It couldn't aspire to do so, given that it finished in 1988, at which point there essentially wasn't an internet.

So the facts show that you are wrong..
I await with mild amusement your shift in reality which will let you pretend you were right all along.
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« Reply #774 on: 29/03/2018 08:02:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/03/2018 02:18:56
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:26:08
Incorrect, you have demonstrated constantly that you can not think beyond your subjective education.
Nope.
My education-  subjective or otherwise- didn't train me to deal with idiots online.
It couldn't aspire to do so, given that it finished in 1988, at which point there essentially wasn't an internet.

So the facts show that you are wrong..
I await with mild amusement your shift in reality which will let you pretend you were right all along.
You know what?  I am not going to reply to you ever again because you are just too stupid to think so I give up talking to you .
Do not reply because I will no longer answer you Mr Troll.
It is people like you who set out to hamper sciences progression.

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Re: The N-field
« Reply #775 on: 29/03/2018 12:47:09 »
Quote from: Thebox on 29/03/2018 08:02:48
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/03/2018 02:18:56
Quote from: The Spoon on 27/03/2018 20:26:08
Incorrect, you have demonstrated constantly that you can not think beyond your subjective education.
Nope.
My education-  subjective or otherwise- didn't train me to deal with idiots online.
It couldn't aspire to do so, given that it finished in 1988, at which point there essentially wasn't an internet.

So the facts show that you are wrong..
I await with mild amusement your shift in reality which will let you pretend you were right all along.
You know what?  I am not going to reply to you ever again because you are just too stupid to think so I give up talking to you .
Do not reply because I will no longer answer you Mr Troll.
It is people like you who set out to hamper sciences progression.


So, you have resorted to the school playground tactic of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "La la la  I'm not listening".

It's slightly more ironic since that's what you are accusing the rest of us of doing.
The difference is that we have evidence.
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« Reply #776 on: 03/04/2018 11:18:17 »
Although the net charge of the neutral conductor N is zero, there are electrons and protons in it's interior.  With these conditions we have, the electrostatic field exerts a force on other conductors that have  electrons or protons or both as interiors, creating the natural linear phenomenon  of gravity between conductors .


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« Reply #777 on: 03/04/2018 12:13:11 »
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Mass is a measure of the force being imposed on the object on the scales .

Mass is a measure  True

 of the force being imposed  True

on the object on the scales True

Oh man! I started reading through this thread and think you may have misunderstood a few things, or be a misunderstood individual.

Picking on the last point from the 39 pages of this thread.
Inertia affects all objects, and all objects have mass. The mass of an objects demonstrates how much matter is within the object. The larger the mass of an object the more inertia it has. Finally, the weight of an object has to do with the the amount of gravity that is being pulled down upon it

ie you measure weight on scales(kg) not mass (N), although if you know how strong the gravity is you can calculate the mass in newtons.

You seem to have attracted a lot of flack, good luck to you with N theory.
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« Reply #778 on: 03/04/2018 13:54:59 »
Quote from: disinterested on 03/04/2018 12:13:11
and think you may have misunderstood a few things
To the contrary, science has misunderstood a few things and you have just repeated their misunderstanding that does not correct the misunderstanding. 

Mass is a measure of the constant acceleration the object is experiencing at relative rest caused by the force of gravity.

The object is falling while on the scales that is why the objects push down to give a measure on the scales. 
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« Reply #779 on: 03/04/2018 14:01:32 »

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