[Bored chemist]

Do you agree there is physical things in a R³ space?   

It's a matter of definition but no.
I'm not in a mathematical construction. My location can be treated mathematically as a point in R3.
Also the world in which we live is curved so it's not properly mapped by R3.

[Bored chemist]

None of the counterpoint you have raised has been valid.
Your suggestion is full of holes.
You should abandon it.

[guest39538]

likewise electrostatic points

Again- gibberish.
What do you actually mean by this?

A point like particle  of electrostatic energy  that has a pole.

[guest39538]

If something has dimensions, it can be point like but cannot be a point.   An electron is a point like particle that the physics suggests , with a hollow core.

What experiment showed the electron to have a hollow core?

The physics shows it,  I do not know of any existing experiment.

[guest39538]

None of the counterpoint you have raised has been valid.
Your suggestion is full of holes.
You should abandon it.

That would be your opinion and not what the objective physics shows us.

[Kryptid]

The physics shows it

What physics shows it?

[guest39538]

The physics shows it

What physics shows it?

Coulombs law .
Newtons third law.

[Kryptid]

Coulombs law .
Newtons third law.

How do these prove anything about whether subatomic particles have volume or not?

[guest39538]

Coulombs law .
Newtons third law.

How do these prove anything about whether subatomic particles have volume or not?

Sorry I thought you meant gravity, I got my wires crossed.   In answer to your question, Coulombs law.

It shows that a likewise polarity, point like particle , all points would be repulsive points, the only outcome can be a hollow centre, giving the point like particle dimensions.

[petelamana]

After a cursory read of this thread I do see where some promising concepts can be developed.  I believe Thebox is having difficulty explaining his premise and supporting information.  Perhaps instead of condemning Thebox's endeavor we, as a collective, could try to help him iron out, or correct, his idea?  Isn't that the higher road to learning?

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Coulombs law .
Newtons third law.

How do these prove anything about whether subatomic particles have volume or not?

...is spot on.  Good point.

[Kryptid]

It shows that a likewise polarity, point like particle , all points would be repulsive points, the only outcome can be a hollow centre, giving the point like particle dimensions.

What experiment has demonstrated that electrons are composed of multiple points?

[petelamana]

I cannot think of any experiment that does show electrons are composed of multipoints, however that being said...

Is it possible for electrons to by composed of multiple points?  If so, how would that be either tested, or expounded upon?

I am not a particle physicist, by any stretch.  However, could the "points" be subatomic particles that are the result of an electron - electron collision?

I'm trying to think outside the box, no pun intended.

[guest39538]

It shows that a likewise polarity, point like particle , all points would be repulsive points, the only outcome can be a hollow centre, giving the point like particle dimensions.

What experiment has demonstrated that electrons are composed of multiple points?

It does not need an experiment , a point is 0 dimension, so for something to exist and have dimension, it has to be surrounding points of a point.

0 point + 0 point = r=1x

4/3π(1x)³ = 3d

[Kryptid]

I cannot think of any experiment that does show electrons are composed of multipoints, however that being said...

Is it possible for electrons to by composed of multiple points?

Yes. That is called the "preon model".

If so, how would that be either tested, or expounded upon?

Scattering experiments. If electrons are made up of three preons, then sufficiently energetic collider experiments would demonstrate that there are three objects that other particles are scattering off of in electrons instead of just one. That is how we experimentally determined that protons are composed of quarks. So far, no evidence for scattering due to preons has showed up.

It does not need an experiment , a point is 0 dimension, so for something to exist and have dimension, it has to be surrounding points of a point.

0 point + 0 point = r=1x

4/3π(1x)³ = 3d

What experiment demonstrated that electrons have dimension?

[guest39538]

What experiment demonstrated that electrons have dimension?

The maths demonstrated that an electron has to  have dimension to exist.  The electron can not be made of any sort of opposite points either, or the result would be attractive to other electrons.

[Kryptid]

The maths demonstrated that an electron has to  have dimension to exist.

Please provide an outside link to the math you speak of. In other words, I'm not asking for math you made up, but math that is well-supported by the existing physics community.

[guest39538]

The maths demonstrated that an electron has to  have dimension to exist.

Please provide an outside link to the math you speak of. In other words, I'm not asking for math you made up, but math that is well-supported by the existing physics community.

I think I used the correct formula for a sphere and the correct maths to add up a length.   It is supported math. 

If the electron has a volume and all points of the volume were the same pole causing an expansion of itself, would this model not work to retain the form of the electron?


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[Kryptid]

If the electron has a volume

We've already been through this: what experiment has demonstrated that electrons are spheres or have volume? I'm concerned that you might be working yourself into a circular argument.

[guest39538]

If the electron has a volume

We've already been through this: what experiment has demonstrated that electrons are spheres or have volume? I'm concerned that you might be working yourself into a circular argument.

I will give you an experiment, emit some electrons directed at some electrons.   

Colliding two electrons will always produce two scattered electrons, and it may sometimes produce some photons from initial and final state radiation

If they had no volume there would be nothing to collide.

[Kryptid]

I will give you an experiment, emit some electrons directed at some electrons.   

Colliding two electrons will always produce two scattered electrons, and it may sometimes produce some photons from initial and final state radiation

If they had no volume there would be nothing to collide.

Electrons are not like little rubber balls that bounce off of each other. Electrons interact with other electrons via the fields that they possess. They themselves do not need any actual volume or size in order to interact with each other in this way.