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I have no scientific studies to show this
it is just an observation over the years and changing in behaviour of the younger generation in general . Our days the younger generation has very little respect. Respect a key to good behaviour from people.
I have no idea how one would quantify a minimal punishment, I am sure though if I mentioned starvation there would be an uproar.
I understand that children our more ''fragile'' than adults but effective punishment works were as some forms do not. ( I must state I never hit my children, they respect my objective parenting).
Quote from: Thebox on 02/10/2017 21:53:49I have no scientific studies to show thisI didn't think so.Quoteit is just an observation over the years and changing in behaviour of the younger generation in general . Our days the younger generation has very little respect. Respect a key to good behaviour from people.Personal observation of a limited section of the population is not objective. That's why scientific studies are important. Even if it does turn out that disrespectful behavior is on the rise, you don't know that it is caused by a change in punishment regimens unless you can properly demonstrate it with scientific studies.QuoteI have no idea how one would quantify a minimal punishment, I am sure though if I mentioned starvation there would be an uproar.No one is talking about starvation as a punishment so I don't know what that has to do with anything.QuoteI understand that children our more ''fragile'' than adults but effective punishment works were as some forms do not. ( I must state I never hit my children, they respect my objective parenting). "Effective punishment works" is a tautology. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be effective.So all in all, you merely have claims but no substantiation of them.
I don't really have any claims
Well grounding them or taking privileges away from them means very little.
I am simply having a discussion.
It helps with my anxiety and often feelings of loneliness.
I preferred it when I was stuck in delusions of grandeur because I felt nothing and was in another place.
I think since there was a change in standards of punishment there has been an increase in attitudes. Often people my age, friends say , ''we were never that disrespectful''. Of course I have no substantiation of them, although I believe if you did a poll of people between 35 and 45 and asked them about the younger generation, the results would say , yes they have no discipline and are reckless.
That's the first I've heard of this. What was that all about?
I wouldn't be surprised if they did say something like that (I hear similar things where I live), but we don't know if it's objectively true just by asking for people's opinions. A better measure would be to look at crime rates based on generations. Even that wouldn't tell us that a lack of physical discipline is the cause. You would need to do background investigations to see how these criminals were raised and disentangle that from factors like living in poor areas, living in one-parent households, living in crime-stricken areas and the like in order to know what the true cause was.
My Mum and Dad both died within a couple years apart of each other. Unknown to me I stuck my head into the internet world trying to avoid the reality that existed outside of the internet world. I drifted into science where from day one I had my own theories and thought some of the present theories were wrong. I was however really really poor at explaining, I was not quite cognitive. A sort of delusion state that I was always right. However to cut a long story short one day I sort of snapped out of it. This then leading to me to sleep dread and the eventuality of high anxiety and panic attacks. But the tablets I got from the docs, Beta blockers, slowed down myself. Although I still get the occasional flutters of anxiety, I now have control and don't panic out and flight. However after I snapped out of my rut, I retained quite a bit of the forum knowledge I had learnt. The only difference being, my own notions were much clearer and the knowledge I had learned was much clearer. I am still a bit rough around the edges with some of my knowledge, but I am certainly getting there and starting to feel a bit mentally stronger than I ever have in my life before. I feel smarter than I use to be.
My main concern is when you sometimes give your kids idol threats, such as I have told you several times now to stop that , do you want a smack? The kid turns around and says ''you can't smack me because that is child abuse''.
So how would we as society deal with that ''question''? The kids know the threat is an idol threat so how can we even get any sort of discipline when they know ?
A modern kids answer is you can't do that, it is child abuse. So who is in control? the parents or the kids?
On the other hand,, I don't think the "delusion state that I was always right" ever left you...
Not all discipline is physical, so there is no dilemma.
It still remains to a fraction of a degree but I assure you it mostly as gone away. I am much more cognitive than I was in the past.
But most none physical discipline fails in my experience.
To be honest I do not think we should hit children at all, but what I do think is we should be using objective parenting rather than subjective parenting. Objective parenting is something I use and have always used with my children. I have tried to get rid of the subjective parenting at an early age. My daughter who is nearly 11 but still in primary school, has been doing high school maths as she is one of the ''smartest cookies in the jar''. My boy who is 9 is also doing very well. I think objective parenting is the perfect parenting system and this learns children respect.
You think it is okay to question established theories but it is not okay to question your theories.
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/10/2017 15:04:21You think it is okay to question established theories but it is not okay to question your theories. Not really, the only theory of mine that I know is true , is my theory and definition on time. My theory does not exclude a ''time dilation''. My theory just changes the semantics to a timing dilation rather than a time dilation. My N-field theory is all based on present theory and physics. That I think could be true. My ideas of visible darkness and visible light, darkness being a property of an object, based on observations. There is not that much I say is an axiom. If I say it is an axiom then I guarantee that it is the last answer in a line of answers.Objective parenting is where our children don't believe in fairy tales and learn reality at an early age. Where subjective parenting is Santa clause and likes. There is a lot more to it than that but that is the basic principle. In a simple example imagine a child watching a horror movie. Now that child will be scared if they were taught by subjective parenting, Where in objective parenting the child knows it is actors in make-up etc and is not actually scary. They know what the real ''monsters'' of the world are.
My ideas of visible darkness and visible light, darkness being a property of an object, based on observations.
You 'think' your N-Field 'theory' could be true despite people pointing out it is nonsense. You claim it is based on current theories and physics. It is not.
Quote from: The Spoon on 03/10/2017 19:52:07You 'think' your N-Field 'theory' could be true despite people pointing out it is nonsense. You claim it is based on current theories and physics. It is not. You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?
Quote from: Thebox on 03/10/2017 22:32:22Quote from: The Spoon on 03/10/2017 19:52:07You 'think' your N-Field 'theory' could be true despite people pointing out it is nonsense. You claim it is based on current theories and physics. It is not. You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?Yes likewise polarities attract and opposite attract.
Quote from: Thebox on 03/10/2017 22:32:22Quote from: The Spoon on 03/10/2017 19:52:07You 'think' your N-Field 'theory' could be true despite people pointing out it is nonsense. You claim it is based on current theories and physics. It is not. You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?No, we are nor questioning the facts.But we do question the ideas you put forward about them.And that's because some of your ideas are plainly wrong, and none of them is helpful.
You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2017 07:59:57Quote from: Thebox on 03/10/2017 22:32:22Quote from: The Spoon on 03/10/2017 19:52:07You 'think' your N-Field 'theory' could be true despite people pointing out it is nonsense. You claim it is based on current theories and physics. It is not. You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?No, we are nor questioning the facts.But we do question the ideas you put forward about them.And that's because some of your ideas are plainly wrong, and none of them is helpful.According to you , where according to the information which is not my belief, the possibility of my N-field exists. So it does not matter what you believe, because the facts give my notion possibility.
Quote from: Thebox on 03/10/2017 22:32:22You are wrong on this, my N-field is based on present information and the very scientific fact that likewise polarities repel and opposite polarities attract. So are you saying they don't and the science is wrong?(1) "Opposite polarities attract" - This is the part accepted by current science.(2) "Positive and negative fields merge to produce solidity" - This is the part that you made up.Show us a single confirmed, observed example of positive and negative fields merging to produce solidity. Don't say something like "it's obvious", "it makes sense" or anything of that nature. Science only cares about testable evidence.
Atoms
Quote from: Thebox on 04/10/2017 21:53:57AtomsSo what experiment was it that determined that atoms are the result of a positive and negative field merging to produce solidity? Who carried it out? What year was it done in?