[guest39538]

Can two opposite polarities occupy the same space?

I think they can......

[evan_au]

Not exactly the same space and exactly opposite charges, otherwise there would be no net charge.

But it is possible to come very close:
- The proton has a very small volume, and is made of 3 quarks:  two up quarks of charge +⅔ e and one down quark of charge –⅓ e, for a net charge of 1e.
- The neutron also has a very small volume, and is also made of 3 quarks:  two down quarks with charge −⅓ e and one up quark with charge +⅔ e, for a net charge of 0.
- But these quarks are still discrete entities within the tiny volume of a proton or neutron, so they don't occupy exactly the same space. This was discovered by bombarding nuclei by high-energy electrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

Please explain how you think it is possible to have 2 charges occupying exactly the same space without releasing an infinite amount of energy in the formation of this hypothetical particle.

[guest39538]

Not exactly the same space and exactly opposite charges, otherwise there would be no net charge.

But it is possible to come very close:
- The proton has a very small volume, and is made of 3 quarks:  two up quarks of charge +⅔ e and one down quark of charge –⅓ e, for a net charge of 1e.
- The neutron also has a very small volume, and is also made of 3 quarks:  two down quarks with charge −⅓ e and one up quark with charge +⅔ e, for a net charge of 0.
- But these quarks are still discrete entities within the tiny volume of a proton or neutron, so they don't occupy exactly the same space. This was discovered by bombarding nuclei by high-energy electrons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

Please explain how you think it is possible to have 2 charges occupying exactly the same space without releasing an infinite amount of energy in the formation of this hypothetical particle.

I do not just think it possible, the laws of physics suggests  it is possible because in two individual matrices of opposite polarities, all 0 points of matrice neg would be attracted to all 0 points of matrice  pos and vice versus.

000→←111
000→←111
000→←111

There is no apparent reason both matrices could not merge to occupy the same space.

P.s I was considering electrical fields rather than atoms in this instance although this does associate with my n-field idea.
 

added- Both matrices will be in a natural state of expansion unless merged .

added- if the merged super matrice was to become polarised or part polarised , the super matrice would then expand.

[guest39538]

I drew it in 3d for you

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[guest39538]

I have no idea why all of a sudden I know about matrices, I think Jeff posts sunk in somewhere.

Thanks Jef..

[guest39538]

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And here is the mono-pole matrice.

[Bored chemist]

I have no idea why all of a sudden I know about matrices,

What makes you think that you do?

[guest39538]

I have no idea why all of a sudden I know about matrices,

What makes you think that you do?

Because it is a pretty easy subject really, now I am using it. 

and it tells you here what it means

(maths) a rectangular array of elements set out in rows and columns, used to facilitate the solution of problems, such as the transformation of coordinates. Usually indicated by parentheses:

and it tells you here what transformation of coordinates means

Coordinate Transformations. A Cartesian coordinate system allows position and direction in space to be represented in a very convenient manner. Unfortunately, such a coordinate system also introduces arbitrary elements into our analysis.

I have stated force vectors and linear direction , and my conclusion is ΔX=Δq when considering these particular, well thought out, matrices.
Also in conclusion Matrice (A) cannot exist without Matrice (B) simultaneously.
Both matrice (A) and (B) will be in continuous expansion unless the event of the merge happens and two opposite  polarities occupy the same space.

added - and this I why I stated before

→
E=(q1+q2)/4/3πr³

and any fluctuations in the super matrice being measured a negative or a positive relative to the  neutral of the super matrice.

[evan_au]

in two individual matrices of opposite polarities
000→←111
000→←111
000→←111

It appears that you have illustrated two 3x3 mathematical matrices here (you need TeX to get nice braces ):
1. The Zero matrix, with all elements = 0. This is a very important matrix to know, being similar to "0" in the integer numbers.
2. A matrix with all elements = 1. This is a run-of-the-mill matrix.
These matrices do not have opposite polarity. The "0" matrix has no polarity or sign.

By way of introduction to matrices, another important matrix to know is the Identity matrix "I", similar to "1" in the integer numbers:
100
010
001
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_matrix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_matrix

opposite polarities

Just like the integer numbers, you know that two matrixes have opposite polarity (or sign) if they add to give zero.
The two matrices you described do not add to give zero.
Just like in the integers, zero plus any matrix gives you the original matrix.

all 0 points of matrice neg would be attracted to all 0 points of matrice  pos and vice versus.

Why would one matrix be attracted to any other matrix?
That's like saying "0 is attracted to 1".

A force of attraction (or repulsion) exists between electrical charges, magnetic fields, masses, protons and neutrons.

You have not provided a mapping from a matrix (a mathematical object) onto electrical charges, magnetic fields, masses, protons and neutrons (physical objects).

Mathematics can be used to represent all these physical things, but I don't see how your 3x3 matrices represent any of these things.

There is no apparent reason both matrices could not merge to occupy the same space.

There are several ways that two matrices can be merged to fill the same space.
Just as with integers, where 0 + 2 = 2 (where two numbers become 1 number), there is a form of matrix addition (where 2 matrices become one matrix):
000     111    111
000 +  111 = 111
000     111     111

Just as with integers, where 0 x 2 = 0 (where two numbers become 1 number), there is a form of matrix multiplication (where 2 matrices become one matrix). But it helps if you learn to add before you try to multiply.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_addition

[guest39538]

Just like the integer numbers, you know that two matrixes have opposite polarity (or sign) if they add to give zero.
The two matrices you described do not add to give zero.
Just like in the integers, zero plus any matrix gives you the original matrix.

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[guest39538]

Why would one matrix be attracted to any other matrix?

Because my matrices are fields, positions in the field represented by numbers.

[guest39538]

A force of attraction (or repulsion) exists between electrical charges, magnetic fields, masses, protons and neutrons.

A force of attraction (or repulsion) exists between polarities , polarity unifies all the above forces. Polarity is the force.

[guest39538]

You have not provided a mapping from a matrix (a mathematical object) onto electrical charges, magnetic fields, masses, protons and neutrons (physical objects).

You  mean like 0→0  ?

Let {\displaystyle V} V and {\displaystyle W} W be vector spaces over the same field {\displaystyle \mathbf {K} .} {\displaystyle \mathbf {K} .} A function {\displaystyle f:V\to W} f : V \to W is said to be a linear map if for any two vectors

Im here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_map


added - Ok my new matrice looks like this

any closer to explaining what I am explaining?


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and in my mono pole example I am at f: V ←→V

[Bored chemist]

Can two opposite polarities occupy the same space?

What do you think "polarities" means here?

[guest39538]

Can two opposite polarities occupy the same space?

What do you think "polarities" means here?

Iol I do see your point because polarity is not an object.    Polarity is a 0 point of repulsive or attractive force. 


added- so if two polarities can occupy the same space simultaneously, we have a ''dot'' product.

[evan_au]

(matrices) is a pretty easy subject really, now I am using it

It helps if you learn to recognise 0 and 1 before you try to add.
It helps if you learn add before you try to multiply.
I suggest you get the basics right first!

000     000   
000 +  000 = 0
000     000     

Congratulations! This is the first of your equations that made sense in a long time!
(I am charitably assuming that you meant the "0" on the right-hand side as a shorthand for a 3x3 null matrix, otherwise it is still gobbledygook...)

my matrices are fields, positions in the field represented by numbers.

There is a gravitational field in the Solar System, with the Sun and the planets.
I would like to see the 3x3 matrix which describes the Solar System.

There is an electrical field around my 1.5 volt battery.
I would like to see the 3x3 matrix which describes the battery.

There is a magnetic field around a horseshoe magnet.
I would like to see the 3x3 matrix which describes the magnetic field.

There is an atmospheric pressure field over my country.
I would like to see the 3x3 matrix which describes this aspect of the weather.

polarity unifies all the above forces. Polarity is the force.

As far as we know, gravitational mass has no polarity.

[guest39538]

As far as we know, gravitational mass has no polarity.

I can't put the parentheses in but yes it is a 3*3 matrix

I will try the other matrices

And I think your as far as you know is ostensible.

[Bored chemist]

Can two opposite polarities occupy the same space?

What do you think "polarities" means here?

Iol I do see your point because polarity is not an object.    Polarity is a 0 point of repulsive or attractive force. 


added- so if two polarities can occupy the same space simultaneously, we have a ''dot'' product.

"polarity is not an object."
Nobody said or implied that it was- I asked you what you thought it meant.
Your answer "Polarity is a 0 point of repulsive or attractive force."
is nonsense.
Added- so is this
"added- so if two polarities can occupy the same space simultaneously, we have a ''dot'' product. "

[The Spoon]

And I think your as far as you know is ostensible.

This is also nonsense. It is a collection of random words.

[Bored chemist]

And I think your as far as you know is ostensible.

I think I can parse it (based on the assumption that he just forgot that punctuation is important)
 He may have meant And I think your "as far as you know" is ostensible.

And I presume it refers to this "As far as we know, gravitational mass has no polarity."
I which case, it has a meaning, it's damned hard to find, and it's wrong.