[Kryptid]

I'm sorry, but that link so so lame.

So why not address the other link? Moreover, how can a group of several quantum states send information faster than light if a single one cannot?

I cannot find a single verified instance of faster-than-light information transfer using quantum entanglement. Even articles talking about quantum teleportation of particle states emphasize that no faster-than-light information transfer is taking place. Look at this, for example: https://www.inverse.com/article/34027-quantum-teleportation-entanglement-computing-internet-china

So if quantum computing or quantum teleportation cannot transmit information faster-than-light, then what phenomenon are you talking about that actually can do it?

[Colin2B]

I think this is another example of "stone-walling". Quantum entanglment appears to be a diirty word in this forum. Sad.

How you get that out of my post is beyond me.

He doesn’t. This is trolling showing true colours.
Box used to do it in the main section. Drop in what appears to be an innocent question but it isn’t long before the preconceived ideas and antiscience views start turning up. Deliberate misinterpretation of what you said. Strange terminology  that is never explained. Misquoting papers just like our conspiracy friend. They don’t understand any real science and can’t be bothered to learn.
It doesn’t matter what you say, the idea is to turn it around and make you appear you are wrong.
Let him go, they are 10 a penny and not worth a second thought.

[evan_au]

It doesn’t matter what you say, the idea is to turn it around and make you appear you are wrong.

Does that mean that "opportunity" is really "opportunistic"?

[Colin2B]

It doesn’t matter what you say, the idea is to turn it around and make you appear you are wrong.

Does that mean that "opportunity" is really "opportunistic"?

Ho, ho, ho.
(Desperately searching for response, give me time)

[opportunity (OP)]

I'm cautious about asking questions to those who already have answers......if you already have an answer, where's your doctorate, your website?

You know, now this subject is posted to a new theory, "lighten up", right? I mean no one accepts QE is real....granted. How "can" QE be real in this forum, if its a "new theory"?

<seeing Colin had a sense of xmas..ho ho ho... I thought I would you know believe in xmas again...as a lowly elf....>

But, the question still remains, "if everything is expanding uniformly yet accelerating beyond light speed, according to modern theory, what reference is given the bliss of stability we have and why? Are we expanding right now? Maybe it's just too slow for us to notice?"

I know, you're going to ask me to cite dialogue, references in this forum.......if you don't know the answer though, that's ok....why ask me if I'm not a fountain of wisdom? The question is asked though....(see sentence/paragraph above).

Why aren't we rapidly expanding, as people,, as a planet, as pixels on a golf ball exploding would?...the expectations are universally this is a universal phenomena faster than light......that's a tall order.

Maybe because compared to everything else its not even relevant?

[opportunity (OP)]

I'm sorry, but that link so so lame.

So why not address the other link? Moreover, how can a group of several quantum states send information faster than light if a single one cannot?

I cannot find a single verified instance of faster-than-light information transfer using quantum entanglement. Even articles talking about quantum teleportation of particle states emphasize that no faster-than-light information transfer is taking place. Look at this, for example: https://www.inverse.com/article/34027-quantum-teleportation-entanglement-computing-internet-china

So if quantum computing or quantum teleportation cannot transmit information faster-than-light, then what phenomenon are you talking about that actually can do it?

Quantum entanglement "can't" relate data as a singular concept (and I know Colin will ask what "singular" is). that's obvious.

Yet, getting over than hurdle, if QE is recognised as "groups", doing QE groups "can" do information transfer.

ask me how.

[Colin2B]

I mean no one accepts QE is real....granted. How "can" QE be real in this forum, if its a "new theory"?

QE is real. It is an essential part of how atomic level interactions take place. It has also been given a weird mysticism by those who do not understand it - and by a few who should know better.
As has been explained, this is primarily an educational site and the main part of the forum is reserved for questions on current science. Please read https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66954.0

This post was moved because a post by puppypower was marked as best answer, this is seriously misleading for anyone reading through the thread.

[Kryptid]

Why aren't we rapidly expanding, as people,, as a planet, as pixels on a golf ball exploding would?...the expectations are universally this is a universal phenomena faster than light......that's a tall order.

Because that's not how the metric expansion of space works. The relative speed of expansion is measured as a function of distance between two objects. The further apart two objects are, the faster they seem to move relative to each other. This is because there is more space between distant objects than between nearby objects. If space was expanding by 1% per second per mile, then two objects 1 mile apart would be 1.01 miles from each other after 1 second, 1.0201 miles apart after 2 seconds and so on. But if the two objects were 1,000 miles apart, then they would be 1,010 miles apart after 1 second and 1,020.1 miles apart after 2 seconds. It's much faster. Because humans and even the Earth are so small compared to the Universe, the metric expansion of space on our scale is too small to be noticed.

ask me how.

Okay, how? Describe how your proposed quantum information transfer method could be used to send information faster than light.

[opportunity (OP)]

I mean no one accepts QE is real....granted. How "can" QE be real in this forum, if its a "new theory"?

QE is real. It is an essential part of how atomic level interactions take place. It has also been given a weird mysticism by those who do not understand it - and by a few who should know better.
As has been explained, this is primarily an educational site and the main part of the forum is reserved for questions on current science. Please read https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66954.0

This post was moved because a post by puppypower was marked as best answer, this is seriously misleading for anyone reading through the thread.

In truth, I hit the wrong button there. Why would I say something was the best answer only a few posts in? How does one undo that btw?

[opportunity (OP)]

Why aren't we rapidly expanding, as people,, as a planet, as pixels on a golf ball exploding would?...the expectations are universally this is a universal phenomena faster than light......that's a tall order.

Because that's not how the metric expansion of space works. The relative speed of expansion is measured as a function of distance between two objects. The further apart two objects are, the faster they seem to move relative to each other. This is because there is more space between distant objects than between nearby objects. If space was expanding by 1% per second per mile, then two objects 1 mile apart would be 1.01 miles from each other after 1 second, 1.0201 miles apart after 2 seconds and so on. But if the two objects were 1,000 miles apart, then they would be 1,010 miles apart after 1 second and 1,020.1 miles apart after 2 seconds. It's much faster. Because humans and even the Earth are so small compared to the Universe, the metric expansion of space on our scale is too small to be noticed.

ask me how.

Okay, how? Describe how your proposed quantum information transfer method could be used to send information faster than light.

So, given direct quantum entanglement is not a way to transfer information, there are some who think that grouping QE events with chaos theory "might".

I can't provide references, don't want to be hated, but the logic is there.

[Kryptid]

So, given direct quantum entanglement is not a way to transfer information, there are some who think that grouping QE events with chaos theory "might".

I can't provide references, don't want to be hated, but the logic is there.

If you can't give us references or even explain the "logic", then how do you expect us to accept that?

[opportunity (OP)]

So, given direct quantum entanglement is not a way to transfer information, there are some who think that grouping QE events with chaos theory "might".

I can't provide references, don't want to be hated, but the logic is there.

If you can't give us references or even explain the "logic", then how do you expect us to accept that?

Kryptid, I'm sorry, it was just a veiled expression of disappointment with the feedback of the links I've already provided (knit-picked way too greatly I think).

Yet as a primer on the subject, the following should suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_chaos

It introduces the ideas of chaos and quantum mechanics. It doesn't explain how chaos theory and quantum entanglement can successfully merge and how, of course, otherwise we would have mastered quantum computing using quantum entanglement and chaos theory. I'm sure there are searches out there willing to liberate those research ventures though.

I'm happy to let this subject rest though. I had no point to make, just seeking to know who is interested in this type of subject. "If" for instance quantum computing using the ideas of quantum entanglement and chaos theory is possible, it opens up to larger scale questions that posit what I put as a universal manifold (probably shouldn't have done that, yet in my previous posts in this topic I have tried to explain why). I have to re-iterate though, this is not a new theory, the subject topic is a question, no new theory has been presented, its a question based on the idea of quantum-entanglement and a "universal manifold"...I aimed to generate talk on the basics first, relativity, SR and GR, then move to QE and quantum computing with chaos theory. We've sort of done that, so thank you all for the feedback.