[Dave Lev (OP)]

Please look at the following motion of the Sun in the galaxy:

http://www.biocab.org/Motions_of_the_Solar_System.jpg

http://www.biocab.org/Coplanarity_Solar_System_and_Galaxy.html

It has a swing motion of 15Km/s - 20Km/s onward and backward to/from the galactic center.
And it also has a swinng motion of 5Km/s - 7Km/s upward and downward from the galactic disc.
It looks as a motion of a spring or a screw.
Why is it?

For Up Down it is stated that this bobbing motion is due to the galactic disc gravity.
However, I couldn't find any real answer for the onward and backward motion to/from the galactic center.
Some might think that it just represents a normal elliptical orbit (Perihelion/Aphelion). However, in a real Kepler orbit, there is only one Perihelion and one Aphelion per one cycle.
The Sun sets four Perihelion/Aphelion cycles in order to complete just one cycle around the center of the galaxy.
Therefore, it is quite clear the those four Perihelion/Aphelion cycles can't be represented by any sort of elliptical orbit.

So, Let's compare it to the moon orbit
http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_s-shaped_orbit.gif
The moon motion is mainly onward and backward to/from the Sun.
But it is also moving up and down from the Earth/sun disc.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_s-shaped_orbit_around_earth_1.jpg

Therefore, we see that as the moon orbits around the Sun, it also sets the two swing motions:
1. onward and backward
2.  upward and downward.

The main difference is the ratio in the amplitude of those two swings.
The swing motion ratio in the Sun is:
Tan X = 7/20 = 0.35
X = 19 Degrees
Hence, technically if the Lunar Plane (moon/Earth orbit disc) was 19 Degrees from the Earth/Sun disc, we should get the same Swing ratio as the Sun does while it orbits around the center of the galaxy.
Conclusions:
With regards to the moon orbits around the Sun:
The moon orbits around the Earth/moon center of mass. This center of mass orbits around the Sun.
If the Earth was Invisible, and we were standing in a nearby solar system, we could see that the Moon Swing motions around the Sun is similar to the Sun swing motions around the center of the galaxy. (but not at the same amplitude and ratio).

Hence, with regards to the Sun Orbits around the center of the galaxy:
After all of this introduction, why can't we assume that the Sun orbits around some local invisible center of mass, and this local center of mass orbits around the center of the milky way?

This Motion is critical.
Based on this motion we can solve the enigma of Spiral galaxy without any need for dark matter.

[Dave Lev (OP)]

As I didn't receive any reply, does it mean that there is no resistance to the concept that the Sun orbits around a local center of mass?
If so, any star in any spiral arm must also orbit around its local center of mass.
I will introduce the great impact of this concept on the structure of spiral galaxy.

[guest39538]

As I didn't receive any reply, does it mean that there is no resistance to the concept that the Sun orbits around a local center of mass?
If so, I will introduce the great impact of this concept on the structure of spiral galaxy.

Your links are not functional and hello.

[Dave Lev (OP)]

http://www.biocab.org/Motions_of_the_Solar_System.jpg

http://www.biocab.org/Coplanarity_Solar_System_and_Galaxy.html

[guest39538]

It has a swing motion of 15Km/s - 20Km/s onward and backward to/from the galactic center.
And it also has a swinng motion of 5Km/s - 7Km/s upward and downward from the galactic disc.
It looks as a motion of a spring or a screw.
Why is it?

In a bat and ball game where the ball is attached to a pole by a string, speed makes the ball climb or drop.  I am ''guessing'' this is similar?

If the speed remains constant then it must be at a  guess the dynamics of a moving body, and as it is on its approach to the sun in the upward or downward spiral it gains energy that pushes it up the ''hill''. By time it gets to the top of the ''hill'' it loses some energy so ''rolls'' back down the spiral again.

Added - after viewing your moon orbit , I am more convinced it is the electrodynamics of moving bodies.

added- Because if it were speed , it would be a greater or less than radial spiral.

[Colin2B]

As I didn't receive any reply, does it mean that there is no resistance to the concept that the Sun orbits around a local center of mass?

It is always a mistake to assume no replies means agreement or no resistance to an idea. There are many reasons why folks don’t reply.

[Dave Lev (OP)]

It has a swing motion of 15Km/s - 20Km/s onward and backward to/from the galactic center.
And it also has a swinng motion of 5Km/s - 7Km/s upward and downward from the galactic disc.
It looks as a motion of a spring or a screw.
Why is it?

In a bat and ball game where the ball is attached to a pole by a string, speed makes the ball climb or drop.  I am ''guessing'' this is similar?

If the speed remains constant then it must be at a  guess the dynamics of a moving body, and as it is on its approach to the sun in the upward or downward spiral it gains energy that pushes it up the ''hill''. By time it gets to the top of the ''hill'' it loses some energy so ''rolls'' back down the spiral again.

Added - after viewing your moon orbit , I am more convinced it is the electrodynamics of moving bodies.

added- Because if it were speed , it would be a greater or less than radial spiral.

Thanks

Please look at the following Pluto/Charon Orbit Animation.

Please try to focus on the movement of this moon around Pluto as Pluto orbits the Sun.
Don't you see that it moves in a nice Spring motion which is almost identical to the Sun Motion as it orbits the galaxy center?

http://www.biocab.org/Motions_of_the_Solar_System.jpg

It also sets the two swing motions:
1. onward and backward
2.  upward and downward.

Now, Let's assume that Pluto was invisible. Let's assume that we cant see Charon' center of mass.
However, we see clearly the spring motion of Charon Moon as it orbits the Sun.
Could it be that if we can't see Pluto we would assume that this motion is due to "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?

In the same token.
We don't see the local Sun' center of mass.
However, we see clearly the spring motion of the Sun (which is almost identical to Charon Moon Motion).

Please try to explain why when we discuss on Charon moon, we know by 100% that its motion is a direct product of gravity force (and ONLY gravity force), while when we discuss on the Sun motion, it is due of "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?

If I understand it correctly:
All the planets and moons in the Universe are moving due to Gravity force and ONLY gravity force. None of them is moving due to "electrodynamics of moving bodies".
Why is it?
What is so unique in the Sun (and all other stars) that they can move due to this "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?
Why Gravity force isn't the ONLY force which sets the Sun Motion as it sets any Planet and any moon motion in the whole Universe

Please try to find even one planet or moon which is moving like: "a bat and ball game where the ball is attached to a pole by a string, speed makes the ball climb or drop." "as it is on its approach to the sun in the upward or downward spiral it gains energy that pushes it up the ''hill''. By time it gets to the top of the ''hill'' it loses some energy so ''rolls'' back down the spiral again."

If it is feasable with our Sun, why it should be feasable also with any moon or planet?

[guest39538]

It has a swing motion of 15Km/s - 20Km/s onward and backward to/from the galactic center.
And it also has a swinng motion of 5Km/s - 7Km/s upward and downward from the galactic disc.
It looks as a motion of a spring or a screw.
Why is it?

In a bat and ball game where the ball is attached to a pole by a string, speed makes the ball climb or drop.  I am ''guessing'' this is similar?

If the speed remains constant then it must be at a  guess the dynamics of a moving body, and as it is on its approach to the sun in the upward or downward spiral it gains energy that pushes it up the ''hill''. By time it gets to the top of the ''hill'' it loses some energy so ''rolls'' back down the spiral again.

Added - after viewing your moon orbit , I am more convinced it is the electrodynamics of moving bodies.

added- Because if it were speed , it would be a greater or less than radial spiral.

Thanks

Please look at the following Pluto/Charon Orbit Animation.

Please try to focus on the movement of this moon around Pluto as Pluto orbits the Sun.
Don't you see that it moves in a nice Spring motion which is almost identical to the Sun Motion as it orbits the galaxy center?

http://www.biocab.org/Motions_of_the_Solar_System.jpg

It also sets the two swing motions:
1. onward and backward
2.  upward and downward.

Now, Let's assume that Pluto was invisible. Let's assume that we cant see Charon' center of mass.
However, we see clearly the spring motion of Charon Moon as it orbits the Sun.
Could it be that if we can't see Pluto we would assume that this motion is due to "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?

In the same token.
We don't see the local Sun' center of mass.
However, we see clearly the spring motion of the Sun (which is almost identical to Charon Moon Motion).

Please try to explain why when we discuss on Charon moon, we know by 100% that its motion is a direct product of gravity force (and ONLY gravity force), while when we discuss on the Sun motion, it is due of "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?

If I understand it correctly:
All the planets and moons in the Universe are moving due to Gravity force and ONLY gravity force. None of them is moving due to "electrodynamics of moving bodies".
Why is it?
What is so unique in the Sun (and all other stars) that they can move due to this "electrodynamics of moving bodies"?
Why Gravity force isn't the ONLY force which sets the Sun Motion as it sets any Planet and any moon motion in the whole Universe

Please try to find even one planet or moon which is moving like: "a bat and ball game where the ball is attached to a pole by a string, speed makes the ball climb or drop." "as it is on its approach to the sun in the upward or downward spiral it gains energy that pushes it up the ''hill''. By time it gets to the top of the ''hill'' it loses some energy so ''rolls'' back down the spiral again."

If it is feasable with our Sun, why it should be feasable also with any moon or planet?

As far as I am aware,  all motion is subject to the electrodynamics of bodies because gravity is electrodynamics in my opinion. My own expression of a body in orbit is linear twist which is torque related.

[Colin2B]

@Thebox can you please not quote entire posts, edit them down to the specific item you are answering
Thanks

[Dave Lev (OP)]

As far as I am aware,  all motion is subject to the electrodynamics of bodies because gravity is electrodynamics in my opinion. My own expression of a body in orbit is linear twist which is torque related.

I'm not sure that I fully understand your message.

1. Do you mean that Charon moon motion is electrodynamic?
If so, what is the difference between a motion/orbit which is based on gravity to the one which is based on electrodynamic?
Is it the same?

2. Do you mean that with Pluto or without it, Charon motion around the Sun should be the same?
If so, what is the meaning for the center of mass?
How could it be that Charon would set this spring motion without orbiting any sort of center of mass?
Why Pluto or Earth doesn't support that "spring" motion as they orbit the Sun?

3. Do you agree that Charon "spring" motion around the Sun is very similar to the Sun "spring" motion around the galaxy?
If so, why for Charon motion, a local center of mass (Pluto) is needed, while for the Sun there is no need for a local center of mass?

[Dave Lev (OP)]

I hope that by now we all understand that Stars, Planets, moons and even asteroids aren't Tennis balls or any sort of Yo-Yo balls.
All objects in the Universe must obey to one Force - Gravity force.
Based on Newton Law and Kepler there is no room for multiple onwards, backwards, upwards and downwards swings per one orbit cycle.
There is just one simple elliptical orbit.
However, by adding two elliptical orbits (Moon/Planet - Planet/star) we can easily get Multiple onwards, backwards, upwards and downwards swings in a single Moon/Star orbit cycle.
In the same token, if the Star orbits around a local center of mass while this center of mass leads the Star around the galaxy, we get the requested multiple onwards, backwards, upwards and downwards swings in a single Star/Galaxy orbit cycle!!!

[guest39538]

1. Do you mean that Charon moon motion is electrodynamic?
If so, what is the difference between a motion/orbit which is based on gravity to the one which is based on electrodynamic?
Is it the same?

I am still pondering over your question, at the moment I am considering the difference, the spiralling sun one seems to be experiencing electromotive force,  where the ping ponging moon seems to be experiencing an entropy variate that is ''up'' then ''down'' like a ping pong ball.  As if it is ''polarising'' ebb and flow.
The spiralling sun orbit seemingly under two forces,   
I think both action are electrodynamics  related and field density related.

[guest39538]

Ok , I stared at the spiral picture for a while, I got it, what do you want to know ? 

Faraday learnt me this one , never sore it before , never thought about.  I will give the information .


wire.jpg (317.14 kB . 4424x3064 - viewed 1312 times)

The sun runs along a ''virtual''wire producing an electromotive force ''disks''.

[guest39538]

P.s My N-field and n-field is so future

P.s Thanks , that has enlightened me further, I can see even better  now.

[guest39538]

Space time curvature in laymen  terms,

n-field quantum cyclones in specialist terms

[Dave Lev (OP)]

Ok , I stared at the spiral picture for a while, I got it, what do you want to know ? 

Faraday learnt me this one , never sore it before , never thought about.  I will give the information .


wire.jpg (317.14 kB . 4424x3064 - viewed 1312 times)

Please look again at your diagram.
Don't you see that the Sun motion is very similar to Charon moon motion?
If no, would you kindly highlight the differences?

The sun runs along a ''virtual''wire producing an electromotive force ''disks''.

Is it?
Based on the diagram don't you see that the Sun runs AROUND a "virtual" wire?
Why is it so difficult to see that this wire represents the location of the "Virtual" Sun' center of mass which orbits the galaxy?

[guest39538]

http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_s-shaped_orbit.gif

I think you mean this one, it is similar yes but from a different perspective/angle .   It is electrodynamics related and space-time curvature related

[Dave Lev (OP)]

The spiralling sun orbit seemingly under two forces, 

Which two forces?
Can you please find one Planet or Moon that orbits under two forces?
Why Newton didn't offer this option in its gravity law?

[guest39538]

Based on the diagram don't you see that the Sun runs AROUND a "virtual" wire?
Why is it so difficult to see that this wire represents the location of the "Virtual" Sun' center of mass which orbits the galaxy?

The sun is not ''virtual'', the wire is ''virtual'', i.e invisible 

The electromotive force curves /rotates the ''wire'' . Hard to explain in full

[guest39538]

The spiralling sun orbit seemingly under two forces, 

Which two forces?
Can you please find one Planet or Moon that orbits under two forces?
Why Newton didn't offer this option in its gravity law?

r= F1 gravity force

v=F2  electromotive force