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Ebb and flow - the result of the rotation of the Earth and gyres
« on: 25/04/2018 19:31:16 »
Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts with a high speed of currents.
And the higher the speed of currents along the coast, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where the speed of currents is 0 km / h, the amplitude of the tides is also 0 meters.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre
As is known, everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope, to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, in the Gulf of Gabes, the cycle rotates, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave.
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data). http://goo.gl/R1hx0H

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the gyre, the amount of water under the gyre, the distance from the coast to the gyre, and the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

Currents that move along the equator, reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the north and south, twice a day.
And the currents that move along the meridian reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the west and east, 1-2 times a day.
This can be easily verified by rotating the globe around its axis and in orbit, entwined along the equator and the meridian with a polyethylene hose in which the fluid moves.

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the gyre.
From the height of tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, based on the atlas of sea currents.
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How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters.
What changes have occurred per day, for such a sharp jump.
We have two possible answers.
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.

A record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased speed rotation cycle in the Gulf of Maine, three times.

During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides (floods) is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow.

The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Maine from the Gulf of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Gulf of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946
Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com

The discovery was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html
Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnology Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii

Continued: The mechanism of the vertical circulation of the waters of the oceans.
Forum Federal target program "World Ocean" http://okeany.com/forum/784.htm
"Forum on the Flagship". http://vmf.net.ru/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2328
French Maritime Forum (Discussion).
http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre
English forum. "Weather/Earth sciences" https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0
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Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #1 on: 25/04/2018 19:38:17 »
Criticism of the lunar theory of tides.

Why in the equatorial zone the tidal wave height is three times lower than in temperate zones?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust rises and falls twice a day at a latitude of Moscow with an amplitude of about 20 cm, and the amplitude at the equator exceeds 50 cm (2.5 times more).
Then why in the equatorial zone the amplitude of the tides ranges from 0 - 6 meters and in temperate zones from 0 - 18 meters?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Bay of Fundy in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the River Severn in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the lips of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at Cape Nerpinsky in the Mezen Bay - 11 m.
If it is logical to argue, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35 - 40 meters. Also, if the Bay of Fundy were located at the equator, the height of the tide would be about 45 meters. The whirlwind theory of tides explains this discrepancy by the absence of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones at the equator. For the formation of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is necessary. At the equator, the effect of the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, maximum. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
Information on tides in some ports of the world
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotational speed of the gyres.
List of seas with an average rotational speed of gyres over 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm.
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasovo Sea, Hudson Bay, Bay of Man, Alaska Bay, etc.
List of seas with an average rotation speed of less than 0.5 km / h and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm: the Baltic Sea, Greenland Sea, Black Sea, Sea of ​​Azov, Chukchi Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, Red Sea, Marmara Sea , Caribbean Sea, Sea of ​​Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: the height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the ebb and flow are not the same. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas
Sea of ​​the USSR http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/
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According to the Static Theory of Tides, the "Moon Tidal Wave" moves from east to west at a speed of 1600 km / hour, skirting the Earth in 24 hours, rubbing the ocean floor and filling only the eastern shores of the continents. But after centuries it was discovered.

1. What does the "Moon tidal wave" flood both the western and southern and northern shores of the continents?
2. That the speed of the tidal wave of 1600 km / h is destructive for both the continents and the marine fauna?
3. What is at the same time across the globe, there are not two tidal humps, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the moon?
4. That abnormally high tides for some reason are formed in semi-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to a tidal wave, tides or not at all, or are they small? https://images.app.goo.gl/3wnFSkSQ63D9G5FE6

Later, a dynamic model of tides was proposed, allowing for a lag (up to 800 km / h) and tidal-hump turns due to friction on the ocean floor. And to show the magnitude of the backlog of the hump, they introduced an application clock (from 0 to 12).
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm

But the dynamic model of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump carried out?
2. In order for the "Moon tidal hump" to exist, the heterogeneity of the gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the Moon must be constantly above the hump, otherwise the hump will collapse?
3. If the applied hour is zero, it means that the friction of the tidal wave against the ocean floor is absent, and the wave speed is 1600 km / h, and if the applied hour is 12, it means that the friction reduced the speed of the tidal wave to 800 km / h .
Why, in one region there is friction of a tidal wave against the ocean floor, and in another region there isn’t?
4. If the moon created a tidal hump on the Earth, it would not be an ellipse, but a drop. (Gravitational force is added, not compensated)?
5. Tidal waves are synchronized with the daily rotation of the earth and are 50 minutes daily behind.
The moon is not synchronized with tidal waves.
(The moon is one, and there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
6. It is believed that the cause of the second moon hump is the barycenter. And what is the cause of the second solar hump?
7. Why high tides are formed not in the new moon, but on the third day after the new moon.
(On the third day after the new moon, the Earth's orbital velocity is maximal)?
8. How does the current of the western winds manage to move from west to east, at a speed of 5 km / h, rubbing the ocean floor, while the tidal wave flows from east to west at a speed of 800km / h, rubbing the ocean floor?
9. As the tidal forces of the earth stopped the rotation of the moon, if the side of the moon facing the earth is concave, and the reverse side of the moon is convex. Laser altimeters of the Apollo-15, -17 spacecraft showed that the visible side of the moon lies below the average level, and the invisible side lies above it?
10. In cosmonautics, this is already a proven fact that the area of ​​attraction of the moon is limited to 10 thousand kilometers from the surface of the moon,
artificial satellites of the moon with a radius of the orbit of more than 10 thousand km. break out of orbit?
11. Why do tidal waves move strictly along the perimeter of lakes, seas and oceans, and not from east to west, following the moon?
12. Amphidromic point - the center of the cycle
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromicheskaya_tochka
is it a point in the ocean, where the amplitude of the tidal wave is zero, does the tidal wave “go around” this point around clockwise or counterclockwise?
13. Why are tides on the northern and southern coasts of the seas and oceans three times higher than on the eastern and western coasts, but it should be the other way around?
14. It is believed that abnormally high spring “Tides of the century” with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo are formed during the parade of planets, then why there are no abnormally high “Tides of the century” in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of planets.
Moreover, in some bays of the Northern Hemisphere during the parade of the planets abnormally low “Tides of the Century” occur. (Bay of Fundy, Ungava Bay, Mezen Bay, Penzhinskaya Bay, etc.)?
15. How to explain the fact that in the port of Freemantle in southwestern Australia, the tides of the year are significant and then disappear.
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring floods, the ebb and flow of the mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature?
16. Why in the White Sea tides are 100 times higher than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the White Sea is 10 meters, and in the Baltic 10 cm?
17. Why, during droughts, over the basins of the rivers flowing into the White Sea, anomalously low tides are formed?
18. On which theory did the Chinese tidal calendar of 1100 rely?
19. To date, there are quite a lot of theories and hypotheses that rely on tidal power.
And the tidal force must be removed from celestial mechanics and then everything will fall into place.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
20. Who knows how many people die every year from floods and waves of killers and how many people this theory can save.

The editorial staff is ready to withdraw the article if an objective critical review is written. Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" http://www.rusnor.org/pubs/articles/15638.htm
Rule of revocation (retraction) of the article from publication
https://rasep.ru/sovet-po-etike/pravilo-otzyva-retragirovaniya-stati-ot-publikatsii

In order to mathematically express a physical phenomenon of nature, including a gyroscope, first of all it is necessary to thoroughly study the physics of the phenomenon of nature; otherwise, the mathematical model will turn into a heresy hidden behind mathematical formulas.
The physical properties of a conventional solid gyro today are not fully understood, and the mechanics of a flexible gyroscope are much more complicated than the mechanics of a solid gyroscope, and the enormous whirlpool-gyroscope is also affected by the Coriolis force of the Earth and the Sun.
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Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools.
« Reply #2 on: 25/04/2018 19:42:06 »
The mechanism of the formation of floods.
Faculty of Geography, MSU. https://vk.com/club5535

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
The main cause of rotation of gyres are local winds, flowing into the seas and oceans of the river and the deflecting force of Coriolis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

And the higher the speed of the winds, the higher the rotational speed of the gyres, thereby increasing the centrifugal force of the gyres and, as a result, the water level of the seas and oceans increases.
And the lower the rotation speed of the gyres, the lower the water level of the seas and oceans.
The speed of currents along the perimeter of the seas and oceans is not the same everywhere and depends on the depth of the coast.
In the shallow part of the seas and oceans, the flow moves fast, and in the deep water part of the seas and oceans the flow moves slowly.

Seasonal increase in the water level is observed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where a high angular velocity of currents and, as a result, a high centrifugal force of water. (Centrifugal force F = mv2 / r).
On straight coasts where currents do not have an angular velocity, the water level does not rise.

The waters of the Gulf of Finland rotate counterclockwise, forming a cycle in the form of an ellipse.
And when the seasonal storm westerly winds and the deep Neva River unleash the gyre of more than 7 km / h, the centrifugal gyre of the gyre increases, making the water level on the east coast of the Gulf of Finland more than 3 meters.
A similar pattern of seasonal increase in water levels is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.

The average depth of the Gulf of Finland is about 50 meters, on the east coast about 5 meters, in the west of the bay about 100 meters. For this reason, on the east coast of the Gulf of Finland, the linear and angular velocity of the currents is much higher.
As far as the depth of the coast decreases, the speed of the currents increases.
Flooding in St. Petersburg.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_Saint_Petersburg

In the Gulf of Finland, the seasonal increase in water levels has two peaks; in August-September and in December-January and in time coincide with the season of westerly winds and the high water of the Neva River.
The speed of the current in the Gulf of Finland exceeds 7 km / hour, and the maximum speed of the current on Earth reaches 30 km / hour, the wind speed is more than 100 km / hour.
If the storm wind moves in the direction of the current for several days, then the speed of the current increases several times.
The speed of the current depends on the wind speed, the duration of the wind and the height of the waves.
With an increase in wave heights, the windage of the waves increases and, as a result, the angle of attack of the wind increases.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://esimo.oceanography.ru/esp2/index/index/esp_id/1/section_id/6/menu_id/1734

The waters of the North Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge circulation.
And when seasonal storm winds unleash the cycle, up to 20 km / h (on the southern coast), the centrifugal force of the cycle increases, so that on the southern coast of the North Sea the water level rises more than 5 meters.
(The storm surge is more than 2.5 meters, the centrifugal surge is more than 1 meter and the tides are more than 5 meters).
North Sea Flood 1953.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:North_Sea_Currents.svg

The waters of the Caspian Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a circulation in the form of an ellipse.
And when the deep-flowing Volga River spins the circulation more than 10 km / h, the centrifugal power of the circulation increases, so that on the northern coast of the Caspian Sea the water level rises more than 1 meter.
Centrifugal surge is an invisible water block at the mouth of the river.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80

The average depth of the Caspian Sea is about 200 meters, on the north coast about 5 meters, on the south coast about 500m.
For this reason, on the northern coast of the Caspian Sea, the linear and angular velocity of the currents is much higher.
In the Caspian Sea, the peak of the seasonal water level increase is observed in June-August and coincides in time with the flood of the Volga River.
During a drought over the Volga River basin, the water level in the north of the Caspian does not rise.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/06.png
https://bigenc.ru/geography/text/2050560

In the Bay of Bengal, in the season of monsoon winds and floods of the Ganges River, the speed of rotation increases over 10 km / h, due to which the seasonal rise in water levels exceeds 15 meters.
(The storm surge is more than 2.5 meters, the centrifugal surge is more than 1.5 meters and the tides are more than 10 meters).
Bay of Bengal flood 1970.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Bhola_cyclone

The seasonal increase in the level of the Black Sea (up to 40 cm) is most pronounced in the southeastern part of the sea, where in summer the angular velocity of the currents along the coast reaches its maximum value.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/07.html

The height of the floods depends not so much on the speed and direction of the wind, but on the speed of rotation of the cycle, due to which centrifugal surge and abnormally high tides are formed.
For this reason, on different coasts with the same wind speed, the height of floods varies.
In St. Petersburg, small floods occur during the calm and with the east wind.
Storm surge of high altitude in the Northern Dvina River can be formed under the influence of the north wind.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
https://vestnik5.geogr.msu.ru/jour/article/view/11?locale=ru_RU
If during a storm the deep rivers that flow into the bay do not create a whirlpool or the storm wind moves against the whirlwind, then the flood does not form and is easy to predict.

The rotational speed of the gyre in the Gulf of Finland can be significantly reduced if the flow of the Neva River is directed against the currents of the Gulf of Finland, with the help of the St. Petersburg Flood Protection Complex.
To do this, 1-5 days before the flood, you need to close the flood gates of the northern branch of the dam.
(The gateway can not be closed).
And the flood gates of the southern branch of the dike close before the flood.
https://images.app.goo.gl/TGwpawDcXoDFTyWi8
https://m.fontanka.ru/2018/12/28/071/
At the same time, a fully enclosed dam creates ideal conditions for the formation of a diurnal tidal wave, whose amplitude depends on the depth of the coast and the speed of the current along the dam.
In the Gulf of Finland, the storm surge height reaches 1.5 meters, the centrifugal surge 0.5 meters, and the daily tides are 2 meters.
The reason for the lowering of the water level in the Gulf of Finland before the flood is the formation of a tidal hump in the throat of the Gulf of Finland.

The assumption that the cause of the seasonal increase in the water level can be the pressure of the atmosphere, the flow of the rivers, the temperature difference and the salinity of the water do not hold water, these factors may raise the water level by several cm, but not more.
The presented theory can be easily verified by relating the speed of the current along the coast with the level of the seas and oceans.
(Based on a map of depths and currents, seas and oceans).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cycle_of_sea_level_height
https://research.csiro.au/slrwavescoast/sea-level/sea-level-change/
http://www.okeanavt.ru/tainiokeana/1066mifosrednemurovne.html

Dear Climatologists!
I propose to use the theory presented for weather forecasting in seas and oceans.
If you have any questions, you can contact the editors of the journals or the author.
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Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #3 on: 25/04/2018 19:49:50 »
"The mechanism of thermoregulation of the Earth."

The reason for the formation of hydrogen sulfide in the Black Sea.

Mixing the wind, they enrich water with oxygen only to a depth of several tens of meters of the surface of the seas and oceans, while cyclonic gyres deliver oxygen-rich water to a depth of more than 10 km. (Mariana Trench).

How does this happen?
The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

As is well known, everything that rotates, including gyres, has the property of a gyroscope to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres revolving with the Earth turn over, due to which the gyres precess, resulting in vertical movement of oceanic waters. http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The presented theory can be easily verified by relating the oxygen content,? With the rotation speed of the cycle.
Based on the map of the depths and currents of the seas and oceans.
The higher the flow rate, the greater the oxygen content and the lower the hydrogen sulfide content.

List of low oxygen seas.
Black Sea, eastern Mediterranean, Gulf of Mexico, Norway fjords.
As we see, gyres are involved not only in the horizontal circulation of the waters of the seas and oceans, but also in the vertical.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ocean-dead-zones/

The coefficient of oxygen content can be expressed mathematically by the following formula O = V / G
V - rotation speed, km / h.
G - depth of the reservoir, km.
Black Sea 0.2 / 1200 = 0.00016.
Sea of ​​Okhotsk 1/800 = 0.0012.

Vertical movement of ocean waters can be modeled using simple experience.
For this, a half-filled vessel with a rotating liquid (bucket, tumbler, mixer) must be rotated around itself (in orbit).
If the liquid in the bucket rotates to the right, then the bucket around itself (in orbit) must be rotated to the left. http://bourabai.ru/articles/black_sea.htm

Vertical and horizontal circulation is a vital fundamental law of nature, without which life in the ocean would be impossible.
During the vertical and horizontal circulation, there are also side non-vital effects of nature associated with gyres, ebbs and flows, seasonal rise in sea level, killer waves.
The speed of sea currents in real time.
http://portal.esimo.ru/portal https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/sat_ocean.html
All physical processes that occur in the ocean occur in the atmosphere, in part, and in the mantle of the earth.
"The laws of nature are universal."
Lao Tzu
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« Reply #4 on: 25/04/2018 19:54:05 »
Waves of the killer. The official group of the Institute of Earth Sciences SFU. https://vk.com/ogbarannikova

A tidal wave moving across the ocean is called a soliton.
When a soliton collides with the coastline of the continent, ebbs and flows are formed. In the collision of solitons, two adjacent gyres, a killer wave is formed.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Killer Waves
This can be checked by throwing two stones at the same time into the water bath. When a soliton collides, the killer wave that has arisen foams and the larger wave pulls a smaller wave somewhat.
You can create a half-meter-killer wave with a duration of 0.5 seconds, if two divers simultaneously jump "bombs" into the water from a height of 2 meters, with a distance of 3 meters between them.
If you throw two pieces of sugar into a glass of tea at the same time and a killer wave forms there.
The mechanism of the formation of a tidal wave in rivers and killer waves in the oceans is similar, and the height of a tidal wave in a river depends on the speed of the flow of water in a river.
https://goo.gl/images/Tm13py
https://goo.gl/images/amdjwj

The place of the possible stoning of the killer waves can be predicted from the maps of gyres and, accordingly, to lay routes.
An approaching killer wave or tsunami can be partially neutralized by creating a series of oncoming waves, torpedoes or projectiles.
If two waves do not collide with each other, then they freely walk on the ocean, and they are called solitons or Rossby waves.
Three sisters is a collision of a soliton with three storm waves.

The solitons, reflected around themselves in cycles, colliding with storm waves, create a killer wave and are the main cause of ship wreck.
And knowing the graph of the propagation of solitons in whirlpools, one should accordingly choose the time and route of movement in the seas and oceans.
The perimeter of the seas and oceans, I believe, is the most dangerous place for anchorage and movement of ships, especially where there is a high speed of circulation.
The center of the gyre, I believe, is the safest place to wait out bad weather, and it is advisable to install a buoy in the center of the maelstrom.

https://goo.gl/images/icF4zf
The map shows the areas of the most frequent occurrence of killer waves.
In the North Atlantic, killer waves form mainly along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary gyre, as a result of a collision of a tidal wave with storm waves (three sisters).

http://www.freegrab.net/Tide%20waves.gif
The animation shows how in the area of ​​the Bermuda Triangle, as a result of the collision of tidal waves reflected by the North Atlantic and South Atlantic planetary gyres, a killer wave is formed.

The clock set on the animation shows that the killer waves in the Bermuda Triangle are formed twice a day at 12 and 24 hours.
Based on the demonstrated animation, you can make a calendar of formation of killer waves not only for future years but also for previous ones.

During the season of long, eastern winds in the north of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and floods of the rivers flowing into the Penzhinskaya Bay, the speed of the current in the north of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk increases several times, due to which, in the north of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the water level, the amplitude of tides and killer waves increases.
The current that moves along the northern coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk reflects a tidal wave both towards the coast and towards the open sea. (South). https://goo.gl/images/u3AsBQ
Lottia of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk http://parusa.narod.ru/bib/books/fareast/1406-1.htm
https://goo.gl/images/u3AsBQ
All physical processes that occur in the ocean, occur in the atmosphere and in the mantle of the earth.
"The laws of nature are universal."
Lao Tzu
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #5 on: 25/04/2018 22:48:00 »
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Then why (are) the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator? The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fundy Bay in North America...
I would hardly call the Bay of Fundy "temperate zone"... I wouldn't want to go swimming there!

The reason that the tides are so high in these regions is because the natural resonance frequency of the water sloshing in and out of these bays is similar to the driving period of the Moon's orbit, which is a little over 12 hours (or the Sun, which is 12 hours).

Just like a child's swing in the playground: if you push it at a rate close to the resonant frequency, you can get a large amplitude of motion. However, if you push it at a very different rate, the swing will still move, but it will be much lower in amplitude.

These locations with extreme tides cannot be due to centripetal force from whirlpools - a long, narrow channel like the Bay of Fundy will not support circular motion of the water with a large radius. The same goes for Mont St Michel, which is on the English Channel/La Manche.

PS: I have seen that in Brittany (North-Western France), small boats are built with little "feet". This is so that when the tide goes out an enormous distance, the boat remains upright on the sand, and refloats on the rising tide. Without this, the boat would sit at an angle on the keel, and be swamped by the rising tide...
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« Reply #6 on: 26/04/2018 05:47:48 »
Consider the mechanism of formation of tides in the Bay of Fundy, created by the "Moon theory of tides": (As they say, everything is learned in comparison).

"Moon tidal wave" moving from east to west along the vast expanses of the Atlantic Ocean cuts into the west coast of the Gulf of Maine forming high tides, two meters high.
And reflecting the unknown about what and with the help of the Coriolis force turns north, towards the Bay of Fundy, create tides 16 meters high ..

But there are questions:
1. Why does the "Moon tidal wave" crashing into the western shore of the Gulf of Maine does not create abnormally high tides in the south of the gulf, at least five meters high, the south of the bay is three times closer than the Bay of Fundy.
2. The frontal collision of the "Lunar Tidal Wave" falls on the western shore of the Gulf of Maine, why there are not formed thirty-meter tides, although the wedge-shaped bays and bays in the west of the Gulf of Meng are quite a lot?
3. How the Coriolis force works in the Gulf of Maine.
4. And the fourth question? By what laws, there is a reflection of a tidal wave from the Bay of Maine to the Bay of Fundy, and whether the law of reflection is in force here ..
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #7 on: 26/04/2018 11:03:19 »
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2...the wedge-shaped bays and bays in the east of the Gulf of Maine are quite numerous?
To get extreme tides, the shape, cross-section and depth of the bay must combine to provide the right resonant frequency.

Most bays won't meet this criterion.

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3. How the Coriolis force works in the Gulf of Maine.
In general, the tidal bulge will rotate anti-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, driven by the Coriolis effect.
However, when you have several interacting tidal basins (eg in the Mediterranean), the adjacent tidal bulges rotate in opposite directions.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromic_point
Expand the world map to see the Amphidromic points close to Maine and Quebec.

Also see: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ceknowle/Envisions/chapter11copy/part3.html
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« Reply #8 on: 26/04/2018 13:48:55 »
In some bays (Mont-Saint-Michel), with a frequency of 10-20 years, record high tides are formed. "Lunar theory of tides," explains this phenomenon by increasing the force of gravity. But why gravity does not increase in other bays, moreover, in some bays the amplitude of tides decreases on the contrary.

And the hypothesis of precessing whirlpools, explains this phenomenon, by the coincidence of a number of facts:
1. An increase in the angular velocity of rotation of the whirlpool (prevailing winds, flood waters, Coriolis force).
2. High orbital velocity of the Earth (perihelion, new moon).
3. Large inclination of the Earth's axis, relative to the axis of the Sun (Coriolis force).
This can be easily verified by relying on the experience with the globe described below.

In the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel, in the north of France, the amplitude of the tidal wave ranges from 5 to 15 meters. This says about the threefold oscillation of the gravitational force of the moon, and in order for this oscillation to occur, the Moon must approach the Earth three times and move not along an ellipse but on a hyperbola, while planets and satellites moving along a hyperbole break from the orbit.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #9 on: 26/04/2018 22:52:12 »
The actual tidal force due to the moon, is very small, just 1.1e-7g, so if you work it out that's only a couple of feet on a body like the Earth that's got a 6,300 km radius.

But water has 'slosh', or equivalently, the flow of water can resonate to some degree. So it's the resonant frequencies and Q-factor of the flow of the water that matters. Where it's highly resonant, then the tides would build up and up to a high level, but where the Q-factor is low, you'll get small tides.

The mediteranean is clearly fairly well damped, because the water has try to flow in via the Strait of Gibraltar, which is a relatively narrow channel, and the volume of the mediteranean is reasonably large, so there's no way the whole med can fill up much before the tide turns back.

You might be able to model the med quite well as a Helmholtz resonator. I haven't run the numbers, it might be interesting to do that if we can estimate them, but I bet dollars to donuts it's not resonant with a 12 hour cycle!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance

Meanwhile Spain and Portugal are fed by the Atlantic, rather than a narrow channel, so the water can slosh towards and away with much less resistance, so has a far higher Q-factor and the tidal range is inevitably much greater.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #10 on: 26/04/2018 23:09:33 »
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In the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel, in northern France, the amplitude of the tidal wave varies in the range of 1-15 meters. This says about the fifteenfold oscillation of the gravitational force of the moon,
I'm afraid not.

The tides are driven primarily by gravitational attraction of the Moon and the Sun - and the Moon is slightly stronger, because tidal influences follow an inverse-cube law.

So when the Sun and the Moon are aligned (full-moon or new-moon), the two influences add, and the driving force is a maximum. The amplitude of the tides is increasing, and continues to increase for a few days afterwards. The delay between the new moon and peak tide is called the "age of the tide", and is typically a few days to a week in most places.

But when the Sun and the Moon are at right-angle (half-moon), the two influences almost cancel out (the Moon still wins), and the driving force is a minimum. The amplitude of the tides is reducing, and continues to reduce for a few days afterwards.

This produces big swings in the amplitude of tides between "New Moon + a few days" to "Half Moon + a few days".

One factor impacting peak tides has to do with the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit (about 5%) and eccentricity of Earth's orbit (about 1.7%).
- The inverse cube law means that this effect is magnified by almost a factor of 3: The Moon's influence on tides can vary by almost 15% from closest to most distant (not "fifteenfold"=1500%); the effect of the Sun can vary by almost 5% from closest to most distant.
- If these three events coincide (full Moon/Half Moon AND Moon at its closest AND Sun at its closest), you can get very large tides.
- But different bays have a different Age of the Tide, so when one bay is experiencing it's peak tide, other bays will be experience declining tides
- What happens if the conditions that would generate an extreme high tide occur at a time when the tide in a particular bay is at mid tide? You would not get such an extreme high tide as you would get in a different year when the Sun and the Moon lined up in a different part of the sky.

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« Reply #11 on: 27/04/2018 06:08:09 »
How to explain the fact that in southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are a part of the year significant, and then disappear.
What is lost, gravity or whirlpools?
Why high tides are formed only on the northern and southern shores of the seas and oceans and not on the eastern.
The North of the Sea of Okhotsk, the Bay of Fundy, the Ungava Bay.
If in the north of the Bay of Fundy the tides reach a height of 18 meters, then in the east of the Gulf of Maine, the tides should reach 30-40 meters.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #12 on: 27/04/2018 11:10:29 »
Quote from: Fermer05 on 27/04/2018 06:08:09
What is lost, gravity or whirlpools?
Resultant gravitational forces, hence ‘whirlpools’ ie rotations around amphidromic points.
I don’t think you have understood the above posts from @evan_au  and @wolfekeeper. Also you are misinterpreting the papers you are quoting.
It is misleading to think of the elliptic tidal bulge. At the high point the net movement is upward - away from earth centre - and at the low point downwards. In between the net movement is tangential to the earth surface and results in water flow, as @evan_au  pointed out this flow lags behind the moon overhead position.
Coriolis effects can only happen if there is a net movement of water, thus a rotating earth alone will not result in rotation around the amphidromic points, it requires the tidal effects of moon and sun to create the initial movement. Neither are winds responsible for the circulating water movements, winds raise waves which travel on the water rather than creating the circulating movement of the water itself *; if the water moved the waves would disappear, as they do in areas of wind with tide; also tidal currents regularly run in opposition to the prevailing wind.  * note winds will move surface water, but not in the direction of the wind due to Coriolis effect, these movements add or subtract from the lunar/sun effect but are not responsible for the mass water movements, specifically they do not have the periodic consistency to account for the predictability of the tides.
The timing and magnitude of this movement is a complex interplay of sun and moon positions plus the amphidromic circulations. There are spring and neap tides which clearly follow the combined positions of the sun and moon and are not explained by your ‘whirlpool’ interpretation. Sometimes the combined effect results in one of the diurnal tides being extremely low, so as to be unnoticeable - hence an apparent one tide a day.
As has been said topography plays a significant role. You mentioned the Severn estuary,  here water moving into the estuary is funnelled into an increasingly narrow area and the water piles up to give very high tides. Similarly, water moving up the English Channel meets first the Western entrance to the Solent and later the Eastern entrance resulting in a double high tide. It is worth noting that there is no whirlpool effect in the channel thus tides and currents on both the northern and southern shore move in the same direction.
Your whirlpool theory will not be able to predict the complexity of the tides around the earth whereas the earth, moon, sun, topography and amphidromic points/circulations do with great accuracy. Please reread the previous posts by @evan_au  and @wolfekeeper  in order to understand what is happening. Also this series of posts https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49715.0 by @rmolnav should be read in its entirety, it is essential to understanding the fundamentals of tidal effects.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #13 on: 27/04/2018 14:58:20 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 27/04/2018 11:10:29
Also this series of posts https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49715.0 by @rmolnav should be read in its entirety, it is essential to understanding the fundamentals of tidal effects.
Thank you.
I wish to add, as I have repeated this very morning on that linked site, that my arguments have always been about root "main" and general ocean tides. What, mainly due to Earth/Moon dynamics (but also to Sun/Moon dynamics) would really happen without local effects, small or rather big. Resonance in water "oscillation" may produce big effects.
And those tides would happen even if Earth did not spin daily, main cause of "whirlpools", as far as I can understand. I have not delved into the existing lot of local cases, but I´ve seen they are very complex, especially on a very long work of NOAA I can´t find now.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #14 on: 28/04/2018 01:35:43 »
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the height of the tidal wave depends on ...the orbital velocity of the Earth
Is this "orbital velocity":
- The velocity of the Earth in its orbit around the Sun? =100,000 km/h
- The velocity of the Earth's surface in its rotation around the Earth's axis? = 1700 km/h at the equator (and lower towards the poles)
- The velocity of the Earth's center around the Earth/Moon barycenter? = 35 km/h

Since tidal circulation is affected by Coriolis forces, then I suspect that the most important factor is the Earth rotating around its axis, as the Earth rotates through 360° in just 24 hours.
- The Moon's orbit takes 28 days to rotate 360°
- The Earth's orbit around the Sun takes 365 days to rotate 360°
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« Reply #15 on: 28/04/2018 07:48:42 »
It is believed that the cause of the second hump is the barycenter.
And what is the cause of the solar second hump?
If the Moon and the Earth rotate around the barycenter, the radius from the barycenter to the Earth is too small to form a second hump.
In the East China Sea, diurnal and semidiurnal tides are formed, as the barycenter explains, this should not be.
It turns out that, from east to west in the Pacific Ocean, daily and semidiurnal tidal waves move, this should not be.
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« Reply #16 on: 28/04/2018 09:39:00 »
Quote from: Fermer05 on 28/04/2018 07:48:42
If the Moon and the Earth rotate around the barycenter, the radius from the barycenter to the Earth is too small to form a second hump.
Please show your calculations that show this is so

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« Reply #17 on: 28/04/2018 10:43:23 »
To make calculations you need time.
First you need to look at the existing calculations.
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« Reply #18 on: 28/04/2018 12:43:30 »
Moon Tidal Wave "is 100 percent close to the real one, you can simulate if you spin a tennis ball with a hanging drop of water. The ball is Earth, a drop of water is a tidal hump, and the Earth is the Moon. And what turns out, the continents will break into the tidal hump, supersonic speed of 1600 km per hour and turn the Earth into a continuous ocean with two poles, and the movement of a tidal hump with a lower speed is impossible to make, then the hump will move towards the rotation of the Earth, regardless of the gravity of the moon. "Lunar tidal hump "height of even 1 cm, I suppose, for the Earth a catastrophe, for the kinetic energy of the "tidal current" is concentrated not in the height of the hump, but in the thickness and velocity of the water.
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« Reply #19 on: 28/04/2018 13:04:41 »
Quote from: Fermer05 on 28/04/2018 12:43:30
To make calculations you need time.
First you need to look at the existing calculations.
We can't look at your calculations unless you post them.
If you are saying you have not done the maths, what are you using as the basis of your post?
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