[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

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Only the blind does not see that the conventional explanation of tides, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. Time has come to understand and with this, i.e. It's time to shake off the official noodles from the ears.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tide
The lunar theory of tides is too complex, it can not be studied, I think there is no person on earth who knows this theory.
Before accepting or refuting the theory, it must be examined.
Anyone who understands this theory, he will refuse it.

[Bored chemist]

conventional explanation of tides, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality.

In what way?

[opportunity]

So when the Moon is closest it pulls close.

And on the opposite of the planet there's meant to be an equal outward pull?

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

According to the whirlpool theory of tides, the tidal hump on the reverse side of the earth should be larger.

[evan_au]

sailors manage to measure (the height of tides)... without having an idea of the real causes of their occurrence.

Measuring the height of tides just needs a fixed scale against which to measure the height of the water, and a low-frequency filter that can remove the higher-frequency "noise" of the waves.

Unfortunately, there is no "fixed scale" in the middle of the oceans, since your boat tends to move up and down with the tide. So sailors could not measure tides when they were out to sea.

Seeing where tides originate had to wait for the introduction of radar satellites that could accurately measure the height of the tides at all points on the ocean's surface. Now we can model global tide heights on computers, we feel we have a good picture of the influences on the tides - and whirlpools aren't the primary driver.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

The calendar of tides is based on observations of long-term data.
It existed before the discovery of the theory of tides.
Where the rotation speed of the whirlpools the constant height of the tides does not change, the rotation speed of the whirlpools usually changes in the bays.

[opportunity]

If I can help, may I highlight the following.

The Moon revolves around this planet.

The planet "spins".

The spin of the planet is at a greater rotation than the Moon around the planet.

The tidal movement is only a few metres, yet adjusted to the Moon.

Of course there would be a pull of the planet to the Moon closest to the Moon, and this is accommodated by a high tide closest to the Moon.

Yet the Earth is a whirlpool of its own, spinning faster that the Moon rotates around the Earth.

So.....for that spin and its own whirlpool to be balanced needs a counterweight high tide on the opposite face of the Earth facing the Moon, right?

[Bored chemist]

Only the blind does not see that the conventional explanation of tides, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality.

And again...
In what way?

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

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Forum of the Moscow State University "All about geology". Cuca 731 posts
Only the blind does not see that the conventional explanation of tides, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. Time has come to understand and with this, i.e. It's time to shake off the official noodles from the ears.

I think the author means in the literal sense.

[Bored chemist]

the conventional explanation of tides, ..., does not correspond to reality.

In what way?

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

http: /.../ forum.web.ru/viewforum.php?f=4

Forum of the Moscow State University "All about geology". Cuca 731 posts
Only the blind does not see that the conventional explanation of tides, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality. Time has come to understand and with this, i.e. It's time to shake off the official noodles from the ears.

I think the author has in mind that the official theory of tides is not true.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

How to explain the fact that in southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are a part of the year significant, and then disappear.
What is lost, gravity or whirlpools?
Why high tides are formed only on the northern and southern shores of the seas and oceans and not on the eastern.
The North of the Sea of Okhotsk, the Bay of Fundy, the Ungava Bay.
If in the north of the Bay of Fundy the tides reach a height of 18 meters, then in the east of the Gulf of Maine, the tides should reach 30-40 meters.

Very interesting question, but no one answered it.

[Bored chemist]

the conventional explanation of tides, ..., does not correspond to reality.

In what way?

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

500 years ago, when the idea of ​​tides was forming, the thinkers did not have enough technical means to test this idea about whirlpools and gyroscopes, nothing was known.
And today this idea with its simplicity and plausibility is so ingrained in the minds of the public and thinkers that it will not be easy to abandon it.
The tidal calendar existed long before the opening of the tidal wave, compiled by the "poke method", as they are today. As there was also a normal calendar up to Ptolemy and after Ptolemy, and to Copernicus, and after Copernicus.
Galileo called the Moon theory of tides, frivolous, sad return to the realm of mystical ravings and preferred to explain the tides, the rotation of the Earth.
D.G. Darwin wrote in 1911: "There is no need to seek antique literature for the grotesque theories of tides." However, sailors manage to measure their height and use the opportunities of tides, without having an idea of ​​the real causes of their occurrence.

[Bored chemist]

It isn't a complicated question I'm asking.
You said "the conventional explanation of tides, ..., does not correspond to reality."

I keep asking in what way does the conventional explanation not correspond to reality.
You can't answer that, because it really does correspond to reality.

So why do you keep posting nonsense, rather than simply admitting you were mistaken?

Either accept that the conventional Newtonian explanation works, or explain what evidence you think you have which shows that it does not work.

Misquoting dead people is not an answer.

[evan_au]

And today this idea (of Moon-driven tides) with its simplicity and plausibility is so ingrained in the minds of the public and thinkers that it will not be easy to abandon it.

I agree.

The idea ingrained in most people's minds (if they think about it at all) is that the gravity of the Moon attracts a hump of water on the side of the Earth closest to the Moon. As the Earth rotates, this hump of water is dragged around the Earth under the Moon. Unfortunately, this only accounts for 1 tide per day, rather than the 2 which occur in most places.

Those with a bit more physics realise that the Moon acts on the center of mass of the Earth, so as well as a hump on the side facing the Moon (due to increased Lunar gravity), there is a hump on the other side too, due to reduced Lunar gravity. This accounts for 2 tides per day, but unfortunately does not take into account the fact that there are currently extensive north-south land masses (like North/South America and Europe/Africa) blocking these humps from propagating around the Earth.

With radar satellites, we now know that the tidal humps propagate in a circular path within each ocean basin. Where two ocean basins touch (such as in the Mediterranean), the tidal humps tend to rotate in opposite directions, so that energy loss is minimised.

When an ocean wave passes a point in the deep ocean, the water molecules move while the wave passes, but there is no net movement of the water molecule as a result of the wave. The same occurs for tides - the water molecules in the deep ocean slosh this way and that as the tidal hump passes, but there is no net movement of the water molecules as a result of the tide.

So I agree that the common view of Moon-driven humps (and the very uncommon view of Moon-driven whirlpools) will both be very hard to dispel.

[evan_au]

How to explain the fact that in southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are a part of the year significant, and then disappear.
What is lost, gravity or whirlpools?

As it happens, soon after your post about Fremantle, @chris flew from the UK to Fremantle to check it out*.

He reported no signs of giant whirlpools in the southern Indian Ocean, and so he can neither confirm nor deny your hypothesis that tides in Fremantle are caused by such whirlpools.

* Actually, he was there for an entirely independent reason...

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

Question?
In the Atlantic Ocean from east to west, to the Gulf of Maine, a tidal current or tidal wave moves and at what speed.

The velocity of the Earth's surface relative to the Moon is 1,700 km / h.
Then what is the speed of the tidal wave?

[Bored chemist]

Question?
In the Atlantic Ocean from east to west, to the Gulf of Maine, a tidal current or wave moves and at what speed.

It isn't a complicated question I'm asking.
You said "the conventional explanation of tides, ..., does not correspond to reality."

I keep asking in what way does the conventional explanation not correspond to reality.
You can't answer that, because it really does correspond to reality.