[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

This document is a new theory. The subject matter I am going to talk about is.
1. Earths atmosphere according to NASA
2. Geothermal Gradient
3. GeoPlanar Gradient (New science term)
4. GeoSolar Gradient (new science term)
5. Earths Process of atmospheric Gases and Atomic weights of the gases on our planet.

This document and theory is written by me. Alexander Benjamin Nordhus mrabnordhus@yahoo.com
I have solved where all the water is coming from!

Ok First I need to say that NASA has the best scientists on the planet. Most People would agree with that. I do not. Let me prove it real fast.
This is a copy paste of what NASA says about our atmospehre.
1.
The Earth's atmosphere is composed of the following molecules: nitrogen (78%), oxygen (21%), argon (1%),
and then trace amounts of carbon dioxide, neon, helium, methane, krypton, hydrogen, nitrous oxide,
xenon, ozone, iodine, carbon monoxide, and ammonia. Lower altitudes also have quantities of water vapor.

You can find that on the web by googling around. Now, You will notice that not 1% of it is Hydrogen and that
it listed under a TRACE amounts and also quantities of water vapor at lower altitudes.

Now, Isnt our planet covered by water 70%? Does it not evaporate into the atmosphere?
Does you air conditioner not pull water from the air in your house? In your car? Does your cold drink
not collect water and condensate?

Wow, how little we know about our own planet just amazes me. So really their information, I wont say its wrong, I will
say thats its not entirely accurate.

In order for me to teach you where it comes from we have to go down a path and when we arrive at the end, you
will know and understand what I know. Where water really comes from. I might post a few links, but I am going to make
you work for it. This is an interactive lesson. And knowing that they know nothing about our atmosphere I am not going
to be using some of their useless and incorrect Information to do it. You cant trust it.

2.
Our first subject. Geothermal Gradient.
What is Geothermal Gradient?

Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to
increasing depth in the Earth's interior. Away from tectonic plate boundaries,
it is about 25–30 °C/km (72-87 °F/mi) of depth near the surface in most of the
world. Strictly speaking, geo-thermal necessarily refers to the Earth but the
concept may be applied to other planets.

Heres a wiki link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient

Now reading this link you will find that all the information is ESTIMATED and again we cant trust that information
because most of it is theory. It does make a great read. But the fact is we just dont know!
I submit to you, that earths core has NOT been cooling since creation. It is the pressure of all the matter
that keeps our core hot and molten.!


3.
GeoPlanar Gradient
Yea i just made that term up. Because we are going to look at Jupiter and Saturn and apply the gradient there.
Now, if you look at jupiter we can take some information because not all of it is wrong.

Earth is 12,756 km (7,926 miles)
The crust of our planet is about 17 miles in some places. Less under the ocean.
1 Moon


Jupiter is 139,822 km (86,881 miles).
Jupiter’s mass is 318 times larger than Earth.
The diameter is 11 times, volume is 1,321 times, and surface area is 122 times of Earth.
Jupiter has sixty three moons or satellites, eight are regular and 55 irregular.
If you weigh 100 lbs, your weight on Jupiter would be 236 lbs. (multiply your actual
 weight by 2.36).
Jupiter’s largest moon is the biggest in the Solar System. Named Ganymede, it is larger than the planet Mercury.

here is a link. some of it i already copy and pasted but it has a picture. Study that pic.
planetfacts.org/planet-jupiter-facts/

now for Jupiters composition. Again they do not know. This is from Space.com

Jupiter is made up predominantly of hydrogen. The simple, basic gas, a prime ingredient on the sun,
accounts for 90 percent of the atmosphere. Nearly 10 percent is composed of helium. A very small fraction of the atmosphere
is made up of compounds such as ammonia, sulfur, methane, and water vapor.Nov 7, 2012

This information is wrong of course. There is NO WAY a ball of gas mind you could hold 63 moons in orbit. If it was a ball of gass it would dissapate.
and more than likely it would be one solid color. That planet is matter and it is smoldering, Just look at the picture again. You see layer upon layer
off diffrent colors. We do not know how high the atmosphere is from the planet.

Not a believer? Check it out in infrared!
Google Jupiter infrared. or ill provide a link
google.com/search?q=jupiter+infrared+image&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFyveb2vLbAhVSbK0KHfqRAf8QsAQIPw&biw=1024&bih=622

Apply what you know of gethermal gradient here and it becomes apparent. That is not a ball of gas that planet is smoldering because the larger the planet
is the faster it burns because of the gravity and atomic weight of its composition.

Let do Saturn now, its a bit smaller.
planetfacts.org/saturn-facts/
Diameter of Saturn is 119,871 km (74,500 miles).
Saturn has 62 known moons, fifty-three have been named. Most of them are small in size.
-Saturn is the only planet in our solar system that is less dense that water.
-This means that it would float if there was a body of water large enough to hold it.
hahah really?
-If you weigh 100 lbs, your weight on Saturn would be 108 lbs. (multiply your actual weight by 1.08).
Titan is Saturn's only moon that has an atmosphere, it is also bigger than Mercury.

Saturns composition
The Composition of Saturn's Interior. Saturn's composition is primarily that of simple molecules such as hydrogen and helium,
but there is also ice of ammonia, ice of methane and water ice.

Thats from windows2universe.org
windows2universe.org/saturn/interior/S_int_compo_overview.html

And again that information is wrong.
Here we go with infrared pictures. And again think about geothermal gradient here on earth and multiply by size.
google.com/search?q=Saturn+Infrared&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi34rGO3fLbAhVIX60KHaWHDa4QsAQIKA&biw=1024&bih=622

its not as prominent as jupiter in infrared because is smaller. But again that planet is smoldering due to its large size and gravity.

Now because it has less gravity let me explain how saturn rings are formed. Basically the planet is smoldering, the gases from
the smoldering matter have filled up the planets atmosphere to the point that the gas is escaping the atmosphere and its gravitational pull
and now orbits the planet stretching ever outward. around it equater of the planet.
That information orbiting around the equater is essential. you must know it. Cause we use it later.
Take another look it you need to. This is a clue we will use later on too.

Understanding of gradients is ESSENTIAL! i cant stress that enough.

4. GeoSolar Gradient - The big tamale
They say its a ball of hydrogen. Lemme post a few facts.

The diameter of the Sun is 1.4 million km (870,000 miles)
The Sun’s core is composed of hot & dense gasses. It has a temperature of 15 million Kelvin(27 million°F)
The Sun is made up of 92% hydrogen, 7% helium and the remainder of various gasses.
If you weigh 100 lbs, your weight on the Sun would be 2707 lbs. (multiply your actual weight by 27)

Ok thats about all they have. heres the link.
planetfacts.org/facts-about-the-sun/

Again we have wrong information. Its not a ball of hydrogen, its matter and its so huge the matter is smoldering and breaking down
due to its large size and gravity. This is called atomic decay, the bigger you are the faster you burn.

SO i will tell you what its doing. It has so much gravity and size. the sun BREAKSDOWN ALL MATTER into its simpliest form. Its number one
on the periodic table. hydrogen. This hydrogen is then radiated away as solar wind.

That was simple wasnt it...

5.
ok come back to eart for the finale of Water! No it didnt come from some ice asteroid! the smarter they think they are the more
they reach out for fantasy imo. Its not that freakin hard.
Earths process is simple to understand.

We know Oxygen is a heavy gas. Its more concentrated at sea level right?
An example of this would be if you climb a mountain the air gets thinner...
Carbon monoxide is heavier than oxygen and it dispalces it. It will kill you in seconds.

So here it is. As our planet orbits the sun the hydrogen from solar wind is caught in our gravitational pull of the earth and pulled in.
Remember saturns rings?
The planets that orbit the sun are also around the suns equater, we all orbit the suns equater.
We pickup the hydrogen as we orbit. oxygen from the flora (plants trees) of our planet produce the oxygen. this oxygen buids up on our planet
into the upper atmospehere. When the two meet and the temperature and condiotns are right. We get clouds, rain, storms etc.
this is VERY EASY to understand.

Some closing comments.
As we all know our oceans are rising, 3cm a year about a foot every 100 years. That means in 1000 years we are looking
at a 10 foot ocean rise.
Also the more the ocean rises the more our atmospehere is lost into space! bet ya didnt see that one coming did ya?
Also the pressure of the water on our thin crust under the ocean could possible crack the planet, Another good one.

One of the benifts is that if we go to colonize mars and venus, 2/3rds of what we need to support life is already in orbit around the planet.

Now i actually banged this document out in 2 hours and Im a little pissed off as i have written university, colledge and other
scientists and these people seem to have no interest. Please forgive my grouchiness. Planet earth needs our help.

They sky is blue because thats the color of hydrogen. Oxygen is colorless.
The pyramids around the world are actually primitive tesla coils that run on dc power. Some of them still produce.

Thank you all. i love ya.

Alex

[Kryptid]

That was quite a long post. I'll see what I can say about some of it, but doubt I can address everything.

Ok First I need to say that NASA has the best scientists on the planet. Most People would agree with that. I do not. Let me prove it real fast.
This is a copy paste of what NASA says about our atmospehre.
1.
The Earth's atmosphere is composed of the following molecules: nitrogen (78%), oxygen (21%), argon (1%),
and then trace amounts of carbon dioxide, neon, helium, methane, krypton, hydrogen, nitrous oxide,
xenon, ozone, iodine, carbon monoxide, and ammonia. Lower altitudes also have quantities of water vapor.

You can find that on the web by googling around. Now, You will notice that not 1% of it is Hydrogen and that
it listed under a TRACE amounts and also quantities of water vapor at lower altitudes.

Now, Isnt our planet covered by water 70%? Does it not evaporate into the atmosphere?
Does you air conditioner not pull water from the air in your house? In your car? Does your cold drink
not collect water and condensate?

Wow, how little we know about our own planet just amazes me. So really their information, I wont say its wrong, I will
say thats its not entirely accurate.

Unlike the other major gases in our atmosphere like nitrogen and oxygen, the amount of water vapor varies greatly from one place and time to another because water evaporates and condenses far more easily than those other gases do. Modern science already acknowledges that atmospheric water vapor can vary by an enormous amount (from 0.01% to 5%).

In order for me to teach you where it comes from we have to go down a path and when we arrive at the end, you
will know and understand what I know. Where water really comes from. I might post a few links, but I am going to make
you work for it. This is an interactive lesson. And knowing that they know nothing about our atmosphere I am not going
to be using some of their useless and incorrect Information to do it. You cant trust it.

NASA monitors atmospheric water vapor globally, so I'm going to say they know an awful lot about it: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/GlobalMaps/view.php?d1=MYDAL2_M_SKY_WV&src=share

2.
Our first subject. Geothermal Gradient.
What is Geothermal Gradient?

Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to
increasing depth in the Earth's interior. Away from tectonic plate boundaries,
it is about 25–30 °C/km (72-87 °F/mi) of depth near the surface in most of the
world. Strictly speaking, geo-thermal necessarily refers to the Earth but the
concept may be applied to other planets.

Heres a wiki link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient

Now reading this link you will find that all the information is ESTIMATED and again we cant trust that information
because most of it is theory. It does make a great read. But the fact is we just dont know!
I submit to you, that earths core has NOT been cooling since creation. It is the pressure of all the matter
that keeps our core hot and molten.!

Pressure doesn't create energy out of nowhere. Compressing something will indeed cause it to heat up, but it will still lose heat over time unless you compress it further. Since the Earth's mass is relatively constant, gravity isn't compressing it any more than it has already been compressed. So it is indeed cooling off over time. It's also important to remember that radioactive decay also contributes to the heat of Earth's interior.

3.
GeoPlanar Gradient
Yea i just made that term up. Because we are going to look at Jupiter and Saturn and apply the gradient there.
Now, if you look at jupiter we can take some information because not all of it is wrong.

Earth is 12,756 km (7,926 miles)
The crust of our planet is about 17 miles in some places. Less under the ocean.
1 Moon


Jupiter is 139,822 km (86,881 miles).
Jupiter’s mass is 318 times larger than Earth.
The diameter is 11 times, volume is 1,321 times, and surface area is 122 times of Earth.
Jupiter has sixty three moons or satellites, eight are regular and 55 irregular.
If you weigh 100 lbs, your weight on Jupiter would be 236 lbs. (multiply your actual
 weight by 2.36).
Jupiter’s largest moon is the biggest in the Solar System. Named Ganymede, it is larger than the planet Mercury.

here is a link. some of it i already copy and pasted but it has a picture. Study that pic.
planetfacts.org/planet-jupiter-facts/

now for Jupiters composition. Again they do not know. This is from Space.com

Jupiter is made up predominantly of hydrogen. The simple, basic gas, a prime ingredient on the sun,
accounts for 90 percent of the atmosphere. Nearly 10 percent is composed of helium. A very small fraction of the atmosphere
is made up of compounds such as ammonia, sulfur, methane, and water vapor.Nov 7, 2012

[quote[This information is wrong of course. There is NO WAY a ball of gas mind you could hold 63 moons in orbit. If it was a ball of gass it would dissapate.

First of all, modern science doesn't say that Jupiter and Saturn are made mostly of gas. That's an unfortunate misconception that springs from them being called "gas giants". They are mostly made of a material called a "supercritical fluid", which is a phase of matter with properties intermediate between a gas and a liquid. Such states arise when a substance is raised above both its critical temperature and critical pressure.

Secondly, gravity doesn't "care" if something is a solid, liquid or gas. As long as the mass of the gas ball is sufficiently high, its gravity will hold it together just fine. That's exactly what stars are, after all.

We know what Jupiter and Saturn are made of from spectroscopy.

and more than likely it would be one solid color.

The atmospheric dynamics and atmospheric chemistry on Jupiter prevent that from happening. There are enormous variations in temperature and pressure in the atmosphere as you descend, which affects what chemical compounds can be found at different altitudes. Just like on Earth, there are bands of updrafts and downdrafts that circle Jupiter. This will cause some colored compounds to rise up into the atmosphere at some locations and fall down at others, creating different bands of color across the atmosphere. Jupiter's atmosphere is significantly deeper and more complex than Earth's.

That planet is matter and it is smoldering, Just look at the picture again. You see layer upon layer
off diffrent colors. We do not know how high the atmosphere is from the planet.

Not a believer? Check it out in infrared!
Google Jupiter infrared. or ill provide a link
google.com/search?q=jupiter+infrared+image&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFyveb2vLbAhVSbK0KHfqRAf8QsAQIPw&biw=1024&bih=622

Gas is already matter.

The temperature on Jupiter varies immensely depending on your altitude. When you see Jupiter's temperature quoted as being "-108 degrees Celsius" on a website, that is just the temperature at the level of in the atmosphere where the pressure is 1 bar (equal to the pressure at Earth's surface). As you go deeper, the temperature increases pretty quickly. When you get low enough in the atmosphere for the pressure to be 10 bars, the temperature increases to 67 degrees Celsius. Temperatures reach tens of thousands of degrees as you approach the core.

Apply what you know of gethermal gradient here and it becomes apparent. That is not a ball of gas that planet is smoldering because the larger the planet
is the faster it burns because of the gravity and atomic weight of its composition.

Burns? Jupiter doesn't burn anything.

Let do Saturn now, its a bit smaller.
planetfacts.org/saturn-facts/
Diameter of Saturn is 119,871 km (74,500 miles).
Saturn has 62 known moons, fifty-three have been named. Most of them are small in size.
-Saturn is the only planet in our solar system that is less dense that water.
-This means that it would float if there was a body of water large enough to hold it.
hahah really?
-If you weigh 100 lbs, your weight on Saturn would be 108 lbs. (multiply your actual weight by 1.08).
Titan is Saturn's only moon that has an atmosphere, it is also bigger than Mercury.

Saturns composition
The Composition of Saturn's Interior. Saturn's composition is primarily that of simple molecules such as hydrogen and helium,
but there is also ice of ammonia, ice of methane and water ice.

Thats from windows2universe.org
windows2universe.org/saturn/interior/S_int_compo_overview.html

And again that information is wrong.
Here we go with infrared pictures. And again think about geothermal gradient here on earth and multiply by size.
google.com/search?q=Saturn+Infrared&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi34rGO3fLbAhVIX60KHaWHDa4QsAQIKA&biw=1024&bih=622

its not as prominent as jupiter in infrared because is smaller. But again that planet is smoldering due to its large size and gravity.

Now because it has less gravity let me explain how saturn rings are formed. Basically the planet is smoldering, the gases from
the smoldering matter have filled up the planets atmosphere to the point that the gas is escaping the atmosphere and its gravitational pull
and now orbits the planet stretching ever outward. around it equater of the planet.
That information orbiting around the equater is essential. you must know it. Cause we use it later.
Take another look it you need to. This is a clue we will use later on too.

Except that Saturn's rings aren't made of gas or even frozen hydrogen. They are made mostly of water ice particles (some up to 10 meters across), which is inconsistent with them somehow being made from Saturn's atmosphere.

Again we have wrong information. Its not a ball of hydrogen

Yes it is. We know that by analyzing its spectra.

its matter

Hydrogen gas is matter.

and its so huge the matter is smoldering and breaking down

due to its large size and gravity. This is called atomic decay, the bigger you are the faster you burn.

SO i will tell you what its doing. It has so much gravity and size. the sun BREAKSDOWN ALL MATTER into its simpliest form. Its number one
on the periodic table. hydrogen. This hydrogen is then radiated away as solar wind.

That's not how that works. If the Sun was doing this, it would be consuming energy instead of releasing it. The elements lighter than iron on the periodic table require energy input in order to be broken down into a smaller nucleus. So we know that your proposed energy source for what makes the Sun shine actually doesn't work.

Carbon monoxide is heavier than oxygen and it dispalces it. It will kill you in seconds.

Carbon monoxide is actually slightly less dense than oxygen.

The planets that orbit the sun are also around the suns equater, we all orbit the suns equater.

Not exactly. Earth orbits at a 7.15 degree tilt relative to the Sun's equator.

We pickup the hydrogen as we orbit. oxygen from the flora (plants trees) of our planet produce the oxygen. this oxygen buids up on our planet
into the upper atmospehere. When the two meet and the temperature and condiotns are right. We get clouds, rain, storms etc.
this is VERY EASY to understand.

That doesn't explain why there are significant amounts of water ice on worlds that don't have plants, such as Mars, Europa and Enceladus. Nor does it explain where Earth's water came from before there were any plants or cyanobacteria around to produce oxygen.

Some closing comments.
As we all know our oceans are rising, 3cm a year about a foot every 100 years. That means in 1000 years we are looking
at a 10 foot ocean rise.

You're assuming that the rise is going to be constant over the next 1,000 years.

Also the more the ocean rises the more our atmospehere is lost into space! bet ya didnt see that one coming did ya?

Based on what reasoning?

Also the pressure of the water on our thin crust under the ocean could possible crack the planet, Another good one.

Crack the planet in what sense? Forming new tectonic boundaries?

They sky is blue because thats the color of hydrogen. Oxygen is colorless.

Both hydrogen and oxygen are colorless gases. The blue color of the sky comes from Rayleigh scattering.

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

Lol knew I would have critics. Its ok. What I've said is essential correct and where water comes from. More believeable than an ice asteroid for sure.
And no the water lever rise isn't constant, that's a rough estimation. But where it comes from I think that's exactly right.
Thanks for you reply and criticism.

[guest39538]

So here it is. As our planet orbits the sun the hydrogen from solar wind is caught in our gravitational pull of the earth and pulled in.

That is brilliant , I love it, good idea and a possibility it is true.  One question though, could the blue sky be a spinning invert vacuum?

I recall an old experiment where a glass vacuum ''ball'' was spun and when you put your hand near, you could observe the field energy within the vacuum as a blue 'plasma'' glow.  The hand obviously having electrical fields and magnetic fields, comparative to spacial fields against the invert vacuum surface.

[Kryptid]

What I've said is essential correct and where water comes from.

Then why haven't you explained how there was water on Earth before there were any oxygen-producing organisms? That's a big hole in your model.

More believeable than an ice asteroid for sure.

I don't know why you consider that scenario so unlikely, but that's not the only explanation for the origin of Earth's water: http://www.iflscience.com/physics/origin-earths-water-discovered-0/

[guest39538]

Then why haven't you explained how there was water on Earth before there were any oxygen-producing organisms? That's a big hole in your model.

Because there would have to be water to create the oxygen producing ''organisms'' pre-organism ?

[Bored chemist]

What I've said is essential correct

Not really, no.

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

Well first of all I plan on answering as many questions as I can. im just trying to find time do so as I am working a lot.

However I will say this.
I came here in earnest to get replies and to post my theory I never said it was perfect.
This is my first post here and I am not looking for to bicker. But I am met with flames and
skepticism.
I posted in the proper format. Now my presentation was terrible and yes I was arrogant. maybe its not what I said but how I said to spark that person off.

Now for Mr "I am the god of science" If that were true you would have thought of it first right?
So in that remark all evidence is to the contrary. I am not a god of science.
Don't be mad at me and flame me for original thinking. That's pretty bad taste. Specially for a first time poster that's trying to work through it.

Now I would like your help, if your not professional enough to do that. well then. Maybe I came to the wrong place.

I am very excited to get your input. I am not mad at all. Please don't be that way.
I really appreciate your input even though it was a little flaming.

Thanks
Alex

[guest39538]

Well first of all I plan on answering as many questions as I can. im just trying to find time do so as I am working a lot.

However I will say this.
I came here in earnest to get replies and to post my theory I never said it was perfect.
This is my first post here and I am not looking for to bicker. But I am met with flames and
skepticism.
I posted in the proper format. Now my presentation was terrible and yes I was arrogant. maybe its not what I said but how I said to spark that person off.

Now for Mr "I am the god of science" If that were true you would have thought of it first right?
So in that remark all evidence is to the contrary. I am not a god of science.
Don't be mad at me and flame me for original thinking. That's pretty bad taste. Specially for a first time poster that's trying to work through it.

Now I would like your help, if your not professional enough to do that. well then. Maybe I came to the wrong place.

I am very excited to get your input. I am not mad at all. Please don't be that way.
I really appreciate your input even though it was a little flaming.

Thanks
Alex

Hello Alex,
I have read back through the posts and I do not see any harshness or flames towards you .  People have answered your effort and give the corrective reason why it fails. 
It was a good effort sir for your first theory here and we look forward to your next theory. 

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

Thanks Box for the quick reply. I wouldn't call it a failure. valid points were raised and valid answered returned. I will still answer the questions. I just got to find the time. working a lot.
Alex

[guest39538]

Thanks Box for the quick reply. I wouldn't call it a failure. valid points were raised and valid answered returned. I will still answer the questions. I just got to find the time. working a lot.
Alex

It was a great idea, I agreed with it at first until it was pointed out water has to come before oxygen.
Nothing could grow without water first to produce the oxygen.

Good luck , keep at it.

[Kryptid]

But I am met with flames and
skepticism.

Don't be mad at me and flame me for original thinking. That's pretty bad taste.

I really appreciate your input even though it was a little flaming.

Who did any flaming? I don't recall seeing any.

Also, skepticism is a good thing. An idea has to prove itself before being accepted by science.

Now for Mr "I am the god of science" If that were true you would have thought of it first right?

Are you talking to me? You are probably the third person to make the mistake of thinking that the quote in my signature came from me. If you look at it more closely, you will see that the quote in question came from Thebox (the same member has replied to this very thread). I have it in my signature because of how ridiculous I thought it was.


Another important thing to note is that photosynthesis and oxygen production requires and uses up water in the first place. So you have something of a circular reasoning problem if you think that water was produced from oxygen that itself must have come from water.

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

nytimes.com/2013/10/03/science/earths-oxygen-a-mystery-easy-to-take-for-granted.html

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

let me restate a little. what I am proposing is the sun is solid mater, and through geosolar gradient due to its size and gravity its breaking down that solid matter into its simpliest atomic weight. Hyrdogren which is then radiated away as solar wind... yes gas is matter. so Is solid. maybe I just wasn't clear enough in my explanation.
And yes pressure does equal heat,  from realworld experience in hvac systems. Freon is pressurized by a compressor and the compression makes it hot. shoots down the high pressure line to the orifice (this is small) and forces the Freon through., with the pressure it changes form from a liquid, into a gas and gets cold. the Freon now vapor (cold)is returned to the outside condenser which is hot
and condenses it back into liquid and it starts all over again. This is how refrigeration works.
geothermal gradient works much in the same way. the further you go down into the earths interiors the hotter it gets. this is because of the pressure of the matter.
Anything with atomic weight has its own gravitational pull. this is demonstrated that all planets with enough mass are round. The more mass the more gravitational pull it has.
Saturn and Jupiter (the called gas giants) underneath that atmosphere that's very cloudy due to their size and gravity. Not enough mass to ignite into geo solar gradient but they are solid mass under that atmosphere and they are smoldering which produces their atmosphere.

Our atmosphere also has pressure at different levels, the heating and cooling of it produces the water as it mixes oxygen from our planet, and the hydrogen that's coming from space as solar wind.

You have disproved nothing my friend. keep trying..

You are very book smart. I am not. I have a 10th grade education and got my ged at 30 years old. I will leave you to wonder how I am able to come up with good theorys.. Maybes its the gold in my brain that I ate when I was a child. The electrical impulses in my brain don't degrade like yours. as gold has no resistance.

Cheers

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

lets discuss this blue sky and the color of hydrogen.

A white sand beach with filtered water by the coral reefs. What purpose do you think coral reefs have if not to filter water as trees and flora filter our air? Is it not blue as well? Fishing on the ocean I have done also. Its blue too. If hydrogen is white how is the water blue being h20 with oxygen being colorless. Don't make me explain it..

I use a lot of common sense. I don't see a tree. I see veins and capillaries of our planets filtering system. It makes perfect sense to me.

there is a lot of mis-information out there. Don't succumb to it.
As far as fossil fuel. How nieve are you? do you really think that there were that many dinosaurs? geez man get your noses outta that book and open your eyes.
That oil or crude is produced by the geothermal gradient of our planet. its cooked earth and so is natural gas. Same thing is happening on a larger scale Saturn and Jupiter. Liquid my buttoxx.
I don't want to be an enemy of anyone. Im trying to free your mind - matrix
Open your eyes and don't believe everything they tell you or you read in a book.

Cheers!

If anyone is a god science. its me. I am flesh and blood. Maybe I need to die before my theories are realized....
Help me. for god sake help yourselves.. -braveheart

[Bored chemist]

As far as fossil fuel. How nieve are you? do you really think that there were that many dinosaurs?

LOL

[Kryptid]

nytimes.com/2013/10/03/science/earths-oxygen-a-mystery-easy-to-take-for-granted.html

This only confirms what I've been saying. Oxygen is produced by living creatures which require water in order to both live and photosynthesize. So water had to already be here before significant amounts of atmospheric oxygen came to be.

let me restate a little. what I am proposing is the sun is solid mater,

It can't be. It's mostly hydrogen and helium (which we know by analyzing its spectral lines). Hydrogen and helium aren't even solid at room temperature, let alone the Sun's surface temperature of 5,772 kelvins. The Sun only gets hotter as you go deeper.

and through geosolar gradient due to its size and gravity its breaking down that solid matter into its simpliest atomic weight. Hyrdogren which is then radiated away as solar wind... yes gas is matter. so Is solid. maybe I just wasn't clear enough in my explanation.

So then why is the Sun hot? It must be generating a steady supply of energy in order to stay hot for billions of years. Breaking down light elements consumes enormous amounts of energy, unlike breaking down heavy elements like uranium (which releases energy instead).

And yes pressure does equal heat,  from realworld experience in hvac systems. Freon is pressurized by a compressor and the compression makes it hot. shoots down the high pressure line to the orifice (this is small) and forces the Freon through., with the pressure it changes form from a liquid, into a gas and gets cold. the Freon now vapor (cold)is returned to the outside condenser which is hot

It becomes hot initially, but it won't stay hot. That's my point. All materials above absolute zero emit electromagnetic radiation, which causes them to become cooler. The initial collapse of matter that created the Earth did indeed generate very large amounts of heat, but the Earth is constantly radiating that heat out into space. If the Earth had never become cooler over time, it would still be a ball of molten rock. It isn't. So it definitely is cooling over time.

geothermal gradient works much in the same way. the further you go down into the earths interiors the hotter it gets. this is because of the pressure of the matter.

It isn't really that simple. The base of a pillar in a building will be under significantly more pressure than the roof that sits on top of the pillar. That doesn't necessarily mean that the pillar is hotter than the roof. The physics of heat transfer have a lot to do with why the inside of planets is hotter than their outside. If you have a hot sphere of uniform temperature, the outside of the sphere will necessarily cool off faster than the inside of the sphere because the outside can radiate heat away into the outside environment while the center cannot. In order for the center to cool off, it will have to heat the outer layers of matter surrounding it until that heat reaches the surface and can escape. Thus, it necessarily takes longer for the core to cool off than the crust does.

Saturn and Jupiter (the called gas giants) underneath that atmosphere that's very cloudy due to their size and gravity. Not enough mass to ignite into geo solar gradient but they are solid mass under that atmosphere and they are smoldering which produces their atmosphere.

What is smoldering? The word "smolder" indicates combustion, but there isn't anything to burn on Jupiter or Saturn. The conditions aren't right for it.

Our atmosphere also has pressure at different levels, the heating and cooling of it produces the water as it mixes oxygen from our planet, and the hydrogen that's coming from space as solar wind.

All you have done is restate what you originally said without addressing the objections I brought up earlier. Where did the water come from before life appeared? Why do many other Solar System objects have significant amounts of water (in the form of ice) despite there being not life around to produce gaseous oxygen there?

You have disproved nothing my friend. keep trying..

You're right. I haven't. Experimental and observational data is what has disproved your notions.

I will leave you to wonder how I am able to come up with good theorys..

Given that your "theory" (it's technically just a hypothesis) is contradicted by all known data, it's not a good theory.

Maybes its the gold in my brain that I ate when I was a child. The electrical impulses in my brain don't degrade like yours. as gold has no resistance.

Citation needed.

A white sand beach with filtered water by the coral reefs. What purpose do you think coral reefs have if not to filter water as trees and flora filter our air? Is it not blue as well? Fishing on the ocean I have done also. Its blue too. If hydrogen is white how is the water blue being h20 with oxygen being colorless. Don't make me explain it..

You can't predict the color of compound from the color of the elements that make it up. Sodium is a silver metal and chlorine is a green-yellow gas. Combine them and you get colorless sodium chloride. When iron (which is silvery-gray) rusts, it combines with oxygen (which is colorless) to form iron (iii) oxide (which is reddish-orange). The elements themselves can already have different colors. Phosphorus can be white, red, purple or black depending on what allotrope it is. Carbon can be clear if it is a diamond or gray-black if it is graphite.

Even materials with the same chemical formula can have different colors. Naphthalene and azulene are both C₁₀H₈, but naphthalene is white or colorless while azulene is blue.

Besides, you can see for yourself that hydrogen has no color. At 1:15 in the following video, both oxygen and hydrogen gas produced from electrolysis of water are shown. Both are colorless:

there is a lot of mis-information out there. Don't succumb to it.

Of course, but it probably isn't where you think it is.

As far as fossil fuel. How nieve are you? do you really think that there were that many dinosaurs? geez man get your noses outta that book and open your eyes.

First of all, I never said anything about fossil fuels. Secondly, I don't know of anyone who claims that dinosaurs were the main (or even a significant) contributor to fossil fuels.

That oil or crude is produced by the geothermal gradient of our planet. its cooked earth and so is natural gas. Same thing is happening on a larger scale Saturn and Jupiter. Liquid my buttoxx.

Cooked earth? How does that produce hydrocarbons?

[alexanderbenjamin (OP)]

Yea still haven't debunked it. Cant fix stupid I guess.

[Bored chemist]

Yea still haven't debunked it. Cant fix stupid I guess.

Well, we did but..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[Kryptid]

I see that there is no intent on the OP's part in taking this discussion seriously. Or any other discussions they are involved in on this board, for that matter. I guess that's another member to add to my ignore list. I politely suggest the rest of you do the same.