[syhprum]

Despite being ill designed for childbirth women want children I think it is because they want people that they can control, your payments for being un-pregnant would have little effect they would save up or invest the money and have children later in life

[alancalverd]

Ill-designed for childbirth? This suggests either an incompetent or extremely unpleasant deity, or a wholesale failure of evolution. I don't know of any mammal that does it an order of magnitude better, though kangaroos seem to have an altogether less strenuous delivery process combined with an unparalleled postnatal care package.

It's a lot easier and far more rewarding to control an adult male, which is why women invented marriage.

Delayed prima gravida would have a useful effect in reducing the overall population anyway, and saving to reproduce (there being no child benefits payable) is at least socially responsible, elitist, and tending towards limited reproduction. Yes,elitist.

[syhprum]

Perhaps designed was an ill chosen word.
Difficulties with childbirth women need only have three or more for the population to swell evolution does little to select for easier childbirth.

[alancalverd]

And if we can restrict the average to less than 2 for the next 100 years, our descendants will prosper and thank us.

[jimbobghost]

  warming is here.
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen , Norway .
 
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.
 
Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
 
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
 
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and
stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
 
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic ,
while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before
ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
 
Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea
will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.
 
I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago. This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle farts.

[alancalverd]

And a few centuries earlier. A couple of years ago, there were reports of plants being uncovered by a retreating glacier https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/plants-frozen-under-a-glacier-for-400-years-can-come-back-to-life-81837981/

This made all the headlines about global waming, anthropogenic diasaster, etc., but few if any mentioned the obvious fact that the glacier wasn't there 500 years ago and, since bryophytes are very slow-growing, it probably wasn't there 600 or 700 years ago either. So in at least one part of Canada, the climate has been at least as warm as it is now, within the span of well-recorded history.

Just read an interesting slightly futuristic novel "The Ice"  by Laline Paull that sets out the economic benefit of the disappearance of arctic ice.

[jimbobghost]

someone is bound to find the cause to be "climate change", "global warming", or some such pseudo science:

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-11-29-unusual-seismic-waves-around-the-world

updated report of 12/6:
https://weather.com/news/news/2018-12-04-unusual-worldwide-seismic-waves-magma

[jimbobghost]

run for the hills!...the end is near!!!:
https://weather.com/news/news/2018-12-03-cop24-poland-climate-summit

[teragram (OP)]

I'm reminded of a quote by President Trump recently. In response to warnings of temperature rise from scientific institutions, he spoke to the effect that "over here on the East Coast it's very cold". A representative of one of the institutions said on radio "That's like standing on the rear deck of the Titanic and thinking 'I've just gone 200feet in the air, this ship can't be sinking'..".

[jeffreyH]

We con ourselves into thinking we can do something about a changing climate that benefits us. We CAN change the climate to exacerbate the damage. An out of control profit driven system doesn't care about consequences. Not to people or climate. You just have to learn to deal with those consequences.

[jimbobghost]

"I'm reminded of a quote by President Trump recently. In response to warnings of temperature rise from scientific institutions, he spoke to the effect that "over here on the East Coast it's very cold"."

buck up...he might just as easily said "a wet bird never flies at night"

[Rodin1880]

What a huge ego it takes to think you can make a difference on the planet... Humans more powerfult than the sun, the moon, the rotation of the earth, more powerful than volcanos, hurricanes, earthquakes, and, of course Natural Global Warming... HUGE EGO!!!
We occupy 3% of the earth, stand .0000038% tall in our atmosphere, and have been industrialized for .000000004% of the time the planet has been warming...
Interestingly, NASA has taken a picture recently showing our Blue Planet is Greener than any time in the past that they have been taking pictures...
Is there any hope of effective action on climate change? If you have a God, ask him because no Human can do anything except turn everything white to maybe increase our reflectivity... and that "maybe" is really an "I doubt it would make any difference"...
So NO... simply NO, and if anyone tells you different, they are conning you, are stupid, or just have a huge ego, WE JUST AREN'T THAT SIGNIFICANT!!!

[TimothyKiz]

My girlfriend who allso is now engaged in this action got a reply from Estonian MEP Ivari Padar.
The answer was short - Ill do it

There is hope...

Cheers
Karel

[Bored chemist]

What a huge ego it takes to think you can make a difference on the planet... Humans more powerfult than the sun, the moon, the rotation of the earth, more powerful than volcanos, hurricanes, earthquakes, and, of course Natural Global Warming... HUGE EGO!!!
We occupy 3% of the earth, stand .0000038% tall in our atmosphere, and have been industrialized for .000000004% of the time the planet has been warming...
Interestingly, NASA has taken a picture recently showing our Blue Planet is Greener than any time in the past that they have been taking pictures...
Is there any hope of effective action on climate change? If you have a God, ask him because no Human can do anything except turn everything white to maybe increase our reflectivity... and that "maybe" is really an "I doubt it would make any difference"...
So NO... simply NO, and if anyone tells you different, they are conning you, are stupid, or just have a huge ego, WE JUST AREN'T THAT SIGNIFICANT!!!

Except that we  increased the CO2 content of the air by about a third.
Can you explain how that will not make a difference?