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Your believe is not strong enough to suppress your survival instinct. Inadvertently, you just admitted that for you, nothing is more important than having fun.
On the other hand, 911 hijackers have a believe that is strong enough to overcome their survival instinct. So did kamikaze pilots, Bruce Willis' character in the movie Armageddon, and Iron Man in the End Game.
No, I have no beliefs, but the principle of minimum assumption is efficient and in the absence of evidence to the contrary I see no purpose in earthly life nor any reason to want or assume one. Survival is essential in order to have fun, and like the advert says, when the fun stops, stop. One thing humans are pretty good at, is predicting the near future.
Why would anyone want to continue a life of predictable misery?
We also have a large dose of empathy, and making life good for others can be pleasurable, but there's a point at which the balance tips.
You believe that earthly life is ultimately empty.
Emotion and reflex are shortcuts to achieve target
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/02/2021 21:52:00Why would anyone want to continue a life of predictable misery?To save resources to be used by someone else to achieve their common goal.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/02/2021 22:07:21You believe that earthly life is ultimately empty.Please accept that I have no beliefs. I am simply unaware of any purpose to life.
Vanitas vanitatum!
Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas definition is - vanity of vanities, all (is) vanity : earthly life is ultimately empty.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/02/2021 22:18:09Emotion and reflex are shortcuts to achieve target As they rarely lead to an improved outcome, I think you are a bit short of convincing evidence for that statement. Reflex blinking and some learned driving reflexes are logical but actions motivated by love or hate have a pretty mixed record of achieving anything of value.
I believe that there is an objective reality which I share with other conscious agents.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/02/2021 05:48:05 I believe that there is an objective reality which I share with other conscious agents.Belief is acceptance of a hypothesis in the absence of facts. I have no need of or use for this hypothetical concept, just lots of experience of the behavior of objects.
Serial killers would disagree. You can't let reflex or emotion get in the way of God's given task to rid the earth of left-handers, or whatever your destiny may demand.
You are confusing between believe and faith.I believe that the sun is hotter than the moon because I can feel it.I believe that the sun is bigger than the moon because the moon can be in front of the sun while their sizes look similar.
People without emotion will find it hard to gain trust from others
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/02/2021 13:02:15You are confusing between believe and faith.I believe that the sun is hotter than the moon because I can feel it.I believe that the sun is bigger than the moon because the moon can be in front of the sun while their sizes look similar.No. Faith is acceptance of a hypothesis in spite of the facts.You know the sun is hotter than the moon because you can feel and measure their effect.You know the sun is bigger than the moon because the eclipse is consistent with all you have ever observed about perspective and geometric optics.If advised by a jockey I might believe that Wobbly Donkey will win the 4.30 race, because I have no other information. But backing him at 50:1 when he has a broken leg would be faith. King Canute had faith in his power to halt the tide, and drowned.
Beliefnoun1.an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists."his belief in the value of hard work"2.trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something."I've still got belief in myself"
Faithnoun1.complete trust or confidence in someone or something."this restores one's faith in politicians"2.strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
Now that foundations for universal moral standard are generally complete, I'll demonstrate how to use them in real life case. Let's start with the famous trolley problem.QuoteYou see a runaway trolley moving toward five tied-up (or otherwise incapacitated) people lying on the tracks. You are standing next to a lever that controls a switch. If you pull the lever, the trolley will be redirected onto a side track and the five people on the main track will be saved. However, there is a single person lying on the side track. You have two options:Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the five people on the main track.Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.Which is the more ethical option? Let's start with the most basic version, with following assumptions:1. There's no uncertainty about the statements describing the situation.2. The outcome solely depends on the choice made by the subject. Nothing else can interfere the course of the events.3. All of those six people have equal positive contributions to the society.4. The switching action requires negligible amount of resources.Here the math shows that you should pull the lever.
You see a runaway trolley moving toward five tied-up (or otherwise incapacitated) people lying on the tracks. You are standing next to a lever that controls a switch. If you pull the lever, the trolley will be redirected onto a side track and the five people on the main track will be saved. However, there is a single person lying on the side track. You have two options:Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the five people on the main track.Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.Which is the more ethical option?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/02/2021 13:03:21People without emotion will find it hard to gain trust from others How do you think telephone scams work? If there is any emotion involved, it is only contempt for the victim.
The moral answerYou pull the lever and send it to the single person not because it’s better to kill one person rather than 5 ,you send it to the single person because there is more chance of a single person being rescued or getting out of the way in time than 5 people.